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On September 23 2014 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 09:35 HaruRH wrote:On September 23 2014 09:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Aldnoah.Zero is actually an excellent anime, even though it drags a little bit in the middle. Mecha anime are typically awful, and by virtue of not being awful, Aldnoah.Zero is excellent. If you imagine it as being a better version of what SEED was supposed to be (an homage to original gundam), it fills the role REALLY well. It has a very similar plot but everything feels better, the stakes feel higher, the MC isn't a whiny bitch, he isn't even a shouting overconfident dude. It's... amazingly not-bad. You need your standards raised by watching: gundam 00, RaXephon, evangelion in no particular order. Seen all of them, and other mecha anime I like (08th MS team, Broken Blade) exist. Doesn't mean most Mecha Anime isn't hideously awful though. I love Mecha anime, Haru. Giant Robot Fighting is basically the best thing ever. That doesn't mean that most Mecha is good. There are good Mecha though and I am always looking.
Yea gundam was entertaining for me. Less so because its good.
wing/wing zero was... meh.
Stardust was good.
g gundam was hilarious.
![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1557451/sekiha-tenkyoken-o.gif) LUBU LUBU TENYOKEN
Turn A gundam feels like aldnoah.
Gundam seed was okayish.
Gundam seed destiny was a not needed sequel, but im fine with it since kira.
Gundam 00 was great.
Gundam unicorn (this shit have yet to end) is quality.
Age is for kids.
That aside, mecha is truly hard to make a good plot with. Even robotics; notes was weird. Steins; gate is not really mecha tho.
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Blazinghand
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On September 23 2014 09:34 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 09:25 Blazinghand wrote:Also, FWIW, Gundam SEED and Aldnoah.Zero (which was obviously inspired by various Gundam anime) have the same problem, which is that the wrong character is the protagonist. Mu La Flaga, the guy who in a fucking mobile armour outpilots not just dudes in Zakus, but dudes in freakin gundams, which are supposed to be so good that a Natural can beat a co-ordinator1v1 with one, but are driven by co-ordinators, when outnumbered 2 to 1, is fuckin insane. And he clearly should have been the MC of SEED. In the same sense, PTSD-san would have been a way better MC for Aldnoah.Zero because he's got a lot more character. After all, the ex-tank commander who spent 15 years training people to use Kats and is the only guy on earth with experience fighting Kats, but has PTSD, is the perfect guy to be all tricky and stonefaced in the face of danger. But no it's a show about small children instead. Not that I mind how it turned out. Still literally figuratively shitting a brick though. seriously though + Show Spoiler +If Inaho or the Princess are alive somehow S2, I'm just not gonna watch it and pretend there was only one season. It's actually a good ending for a series imo Dude PTSD san can't even sit in a kat, nor watch a simple graphical video of the past without relapsing. He is literally just there for comic relief for his interactions. Mu la flaga will be the second worst main character after athrun. He has an evil clone, creuset, who seemed better than him cause he gave kira a run for his money with his providence. Meanwhile, mu la flaga dies protecting the archangel with his strike. Not a great main character. Even kira's revival with strike freedom would be more entertaining and realistic than mu la flaga's revival from a strike blasted to pieces. DID I MENTION HOW PISSED I FELT SEEING MU LA FLAGA REVIVE AND COME BACK IN DESTINY?
BTW the whole point of make Mu or PTSD san an MC would be to like, change the plot to accomodate them. PTSD-san would overcome his PTSD and grow as a person over the course of the plot. He'd not just hang around doing nothing while Nikoleras shat on everyone. He'd be all PTSD-ey when his allies were getting owned to show how awesome Nikoleras was, then he'd be like all clutching Humeray's dog tags and being like "fuck this shit I'm gonna fuck these dudes up" or whatever and get all awesome.
And Mu if he were an MC wouldn't be randomly killed off. I'm not saying "let's call Mu the MC", I'm saying "these plots would be better if these other characters were focused on and the plot accommodated them rather than the small children." For example, maybe the gundam protecting the Archangel will get destroyed (along with the co-ordinary boy piloting it) in episode 3 or 4 or something to raise the stakes. Not like totally destroyed, but like badly damaged and the cockpit depressurizes, and although it's rescued (so that more copies can be made on earth), Kira is dead and the gundam is worthless. Now it's just Mu, alone, vs 4 gundams which are so good they crush zakus which are so good they crush mobile armors, and all Mu has is a mobile armor, and he's up against superhumans
man that would be so much sweeter
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I need to watch evangelion again.
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
Also if we're really talking about plot, clearly the best Mecha for plot was Voices of a Distant Star, but I wouldn't even consider that anime a Mecha.
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On September 23 2014 09:48 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 09:34 HaruRH wrote:On September 23 2014 09:25 Blazinghand wrote:Also, FWIW, Gundam SEED and Aldnoah.Zero (which was obviously inspired by various Gundam anime) have the same problem, which is that the wrong character is the protagonist. Mu La Flaga, the guy who in a fucking mobile armour outpilots not just dudes in Zakus, but dudes in freakin gundams, which are supposed to be so good that a Natural can beat a co-ordinator1v1 with one, but are driven by co-ordinators, when outnumbered 2 to 1, is fuckin insane. And he clearly should have been the MC of SEED. In the same sense, PTSD-san would have been a way better MC for Aldnoah.Zero because he's got a lot more character. After all, the ex-tank commander who spent 15 years training people to use Kats and is the only guy on earth with experience fighting Kats, but has PTSD, is the perfect guy to be all tricky and stonefaced in the face of danger. But no it's a show about small children instead. Not that I mind how it turned out. Still literally figuratively shitting a brick though. seriously though + Show Spoiler +If Inaho or the Princess are alive somehow S2, I'm just not gonna watch it and pretend there was only one season. It's actually a good ending for a series imo Dude PTSD san can't even sit in a kat, nor watch a simple graphical video of the past without relapsing. He is literally just there for comic relief for his interactions. Mu la flaga will be the second worst main character after athrun. He has an evil clone, creuset, who seemed better than him cause he gave kira a run for his money with his providence. Meanwhile, mu la flaga dies protecting the archangel with his strike. Not a great main character. Even kira's revival with strike freedom would be more entertaining and realistic than mu la flaga's revival from a strike blasted to pieces. DID I MENTION HOW PISSED I FELT SEEING MU LA FLAGA REVIVE AND COME BACK IN DESTINY? BTW the whole point of make Mu or PTSD san an MC would be to like, change the plot to accomodate them. PTSD-san would overcome his PTSD and grow as a person over the course of the plot. He'd not just hang around doing nothing while Nikoleras shat on everyone. He'd be all PTSD-ey when his allies were getting owned to show how awesome Nikoleras was, then he'd be like all clutching Humeray's dog tags and being like "fuck this shit I'm gonna fuck these dudes up" or whatever and get all awesome. And Mu if he were an MC wouldn't be randomly killed off. I'm not saying "let's call Mu the MC", I'm saying "these plots would be better if these other characters were focused on and the plot accommodated them rather than the small children." For example, maybe the gundam protecting the Archangel will get destroyed (along with the co-ordinary boy piloting it) in episode 3 or 4 or something to raise the stakes. Not like totally destroyed, but like badly damaged and the cockpit depressurizes, and although it's rescued (so that more copies can be made on earth), Kira is dead and the gundam is worthless. Now it's just Mu, alone, vs 4 gundams which are so good they crush zakus which are so good they crush mobile armors, and all Mu has is a mobile armor, and he's up against superhumans man that would be so much sweeter
You'll need urobutchi to write such a cruel plot.
Or someone more evil than urobutchi to write something like that.
Probably modifying the plot to have PTSDsan as the main character is better, but how would you tie in the 'princess comes to earth, got betrayed and now must stop them with her own hands' part of the plot? You'll need someone (not slaine please) who can relate to her, understand her plught and be willing to help her achieve her goals. PTSDsan will rekt the show if he does that.
You forgetting the other 3 dudes of chaos who comes along? What about poor athrun, who is supposed to be the 'i like kira but... meh... my friends in ZAFT is better.... maybe kira?' Type of character so he can conveniently help the plot advance?
Stella would lose her meaning, and stella was one of the best character. Her relationship with shin, which made him go berserk and rekt kira, was the turning point.
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And watching mu la flaga with the mobile armor fighting the 4 superhuman + op gundam suits is like watching expendables, you'll be screaming "WHY THE FUCK ARENT THE MAIN CHARACTERS DYING"
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Just letting you guys know in advance I have class all day for the next 3 day's so don't expect me to be my usual active self.
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On September 23 2014 08:00 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 07:53 geript wrote:On September 23 2014 07:24 Promethelax wrote:On September 23 2014 07:23 geript wrote:On September 23 2014 07:20 Promethelax wrote:On September 23 2014 07:06 geript wrote:On September 23 2014 06:55 Promethelax wrote:On September 23 2014 05:16 geript wrote:On September 23 2014 03:08 Hapahauli wrote:
I could play, but I would be massively less active than I would normally be. I'll be travelling a lot this week. That's okay. We'll need someone to lynch for not fitting to their town meta. I haven't played in ~9 months. I'll do my best to not fit my town meta to make you happy. Well your town meta is that you're awful and can never read me right. So long as you don't fit that I'm happy. Have I ever read you wrong? Arguing with me is in your scum meta. I like you Prome but if you keep up on this track I will fuck the lynch out of you. Have you ever played with me as scum? If you'll remember, I ran for Mayor and said I'd lynch the popular choice (you) only to I think read you as town. Then on N1 I hard read VE and Dr.H as mafia and defended Chezinu (mafia). I think I got lynched D3 after BH as paranoid cop checked me (I got framed) but he was told red; only like 24+ hours into the day did he get told it was green. BH tells that story better though. The very first game we all played in together actually. You were lynched D1. Think it was LX. Geript and I had a shit fight.
I forgot that game happened. But yeah, that did happen.
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Blazinghand
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The princess doesn't even need to be a child. Hell, make her an adult with real character and diplomatic experience. In fact, this is her 4th peace mission in 2 years, and she has caused tensions to come way down between earth and Vers. In DOUBLE fact, she is savvy and canny and despite numerous ploys by the Orbital Knights to make her look bad, or to fuck up negotiations, Princess Asseylum has almost succeeded in getting Vers to open official migration, trade, etc with earth. Aldnoah-made items (no drives, obviously, to keep the edge) in return for all kids of natural resources, water, terraforming materials, etc in the upcoming trade agreement.
The Orbital Knights (Saazbaum in particular, who owns a lot of the Martian military industrial complex) realize that their last chance for war with earth is slipping away, and nothing short of a major diplomatic incident will bring about war; even if the negotations stalled or there was a gaff, things have gotten too chummy. They throw together a last-minute plot (if they had been planning to do this for 15 years, surely it would have succeeded) to kill the princess and make it look like terrans. They seem to succeed, but fail in actuality.
The Princess and her bodyguard, Edelrittuo (who is of course this massive musclebound woman who wears a wife beater and jeans and carries all kinds of guns and shit) manage to escape, since the princess was actually in one of the black cars, not the white one. Edelrittuo is so paranoid she makes Alastor Moody look sloppy, you see. Princess is stunned but Edelrittuo activates her camo and drags her to safety with 3 or 4 armed bodyguards.
They meet up quickly with UE forces, in this case the children, and eventually with Marito's platoon. Marito in this case is Platoon Leader, since the depths of his PTSD are unknown (he hides his drinking well). Edelrittuo looks him in the eye and decides this man wasn't in on it, and reveals the secret. Of course, the 4 bodyguards are also ALSO wearing the hardlight camo and all ALSO look like mid-20's women. Edelrittuo doesn't specify which of them is the princess. She has decided she can't fuck around. Marito buys it, and his platoon decides to escort Princess to the docks, when Nikoleras intercepts them after killing the assassins. Marito finds his PTSD resurges and his entire platoon is wiped out before he gets a grip and manages to escape Nikoleras while protecting the truck carrying Princess, taking shelter in the school he teaches at (where he finds some cadets and live-fire training rounds...)
Also, we'll keep Slaine as a youth in this case, to make his infatuation with the Princess that much worse. He can still be part of her inspiration to journey into international politics as a diplomat, but before she met him, she was a capable businesswoman and politician, and only hearing about earth from him did she realize how much more she could be if she turned her mind towards the earth. Slaine naturally fell in love with her cause he's a little donger but yeah there you go.
Oh yeah and at some point, Edel tries to kill Marito because she is convinced he's an assassin. Her paranoia is her strenght, but also her weakness. They have an awesome bare-knuckle fistfight and they get all sweaty and then realize they totally are hot for each other, but neither of them trust each other, and it's even worse after the fight, which is only broken up because of a kataphract attack. Edel keeps on asking for permission to sortie in a Aerion KG-7 Kat, but due to security reasons, Marito turns her down every time (despite lack of pilots) until things get seriously bad (maybe against Ashura).
The princess, of course, is married (which makes Slain's infatuation even WORSE which is awesome) and isn't interested in any of that BS. However, she finds that her world where just being smart and clever and knowing what people want, isn't the same as the world of combat. She works as part tactician, but realizes that the rules she's grown up with aren't the same as the rules on the battlefield. Yes, she's brilliant, but there are limits. She's not trained in the ways of war. Of course, she knows many weaknesses of enemy mechs, but the Earth Kats are just so shitty it's really tough.
Just saying, PTSD-San has the potential for so much more character development than Inko, Yuki, Calm, or even Inaho (though those last 70 seconds, man, they got me right in the heart), and by making the Princess and Edel awesome instead of shit tier levels of character development.
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I think you just want mature women in your anime.
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
in canon aldnoah, the Princess could be replaced with like, a physical object, like a wand that turns on/off aldnoah drives, and you wouldn't have to change much of the plot. She doesn't really do much or develop as a character, ever.
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"They have an awesome bare-knuckle fistfight and they get all sweaty and then realize they totally are hot for each other"
This made me doubt your actual intent for a better plot lol
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On September 23 2014 09:35 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 09:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Aldnoah.Zero is actually an excellent anime, even though it drags a little bit in the middle. Mecha anime are typically awful, and by virtue of not being awful, Aldnoah.Zero is excellent. If you imagine it as being a better version of what SEED was supposed to be (an homage to original gundam), it fills the role REALLY well. It has a very similar plot but everything feels better, the stakes feel higher, the MC isn't a whiny bitch, he isn't even a shouting overconfident dude. It's... amazingly not-bad. You need your standards raised by watching: gundam 00, RaXephon, evangelion in no particular order.
Watched Evangelion
Thought it sucked
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On September 23 2014 10:25 HaruRH wrote:
"They have an awesome bare-knuckle fistfight and they get all sweaty and then realize they totally are hot for each other"
This made me doubt your actual intent for a better plot lol
oh come on don't tell me you don't ship marito and twenty-years-older-buff-butch-edelrittuo
really though the idea is that marito needs a love interest other than Kaizuka, and I like the idea of there being constant internal conflict on the ship between the martians and the soldiers (remember, 6 martians this time since several bodyguards came) and some of that tension is paranoia and some of it is unfulfilled sexual tension because they can't trust each other.
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I like my amines full of objects like wands and lacking real plot. I mean who cares about story when there's the ever important tatas.
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On September 23 2014 10:29 geript wrote:
I like my amines full of objects like wands and lacking real plot. I mean who cares about story when there's the ever important tatas.
Yea i like my amines full of proteins too.
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Let's be honest everyone loves a little octopus. Who am I kidding people love a lot of tentacles.
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On September 23 2014 10:42 geript wrote:
Let's be honest everyone loves a little octopus. Who am I kidding people love a lot of tentacles.
Octopi are one of the tastiest of critters.
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