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On October 08 2014 15:55 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 15:41 Rad wrote:
Fecal, what are your thoughts on dusts? What would you do if he came in last minute and voted with no reasoning? I think he will have to at this point and I think he is lurking like a mofo. I don't like lurkers and I actually stated this before... Who cares what I would do, why not worry about what is right now?
Because I've been in that scenario before and it threw town into mass hysteria. I like to think about it ahead of time now. Considering he's shown no effort to actually play this game and only has 2 posts on TL, that kind of move might be exactly what we see happen.
What's happening right now is only 3 people on here talking and I'm waiting to see Breshke's response. You don't think it's an appropriate topic to discuss dusts?
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In regards to lists, please see:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/301748-a-general-guide-to-mafia
Specifically this:
In order to blend in with the town, mafia need to appear to be interested in the town agenda. Thus, they may often feign usefulness while contributing nothing of value to the discussion. This allows the mafia to appear pro-town without compromising the mafia agenda. Methods that mafia employ to do this include: rephrasing old arguments, posting random lists of people (town or scum), or summarizing recent events.
but the whole thing is a good read if I remember correctly (been a while since I read it).
I'm all for discussing specific things about specific people but if we start throwing around lists... I just don't know what to say other than it's bad for town.
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Alright, it's late for me and I'm tired, so I'm off.
I'm parking my vote on dusts.
##Vote: dusts
Reasons:
1. If he's lurking mafia, maybe this will help him realize he can't play this game that way.
2. If he's town and doesn't vote, he'll be modkilled and we have the potential of losing 2 townies in day 1.
I'll unvote if he decides to show up and put in some effort.
To be a bit more transparent in who I'm currently most suspicious of:
##FoS: Fecalfeast
##FoS: The_Zen_Man
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##Unvote
@abuse - where's your vote? Double standards much?
I'll get a vote post with reasons here in a few.
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@The_Zen_Man
Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point.
The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them.
What have you done the entire game?
1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.
No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game:
On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?
On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why?
He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged.
(I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands)
2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.
Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM
3. 0 scum hunting
This is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it.
I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else.
##Vote: The_Zen_Man
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@abuse
I'm not really "here now too" per se. I've caught up on the thread and made by vote with plenty of time before EoD, like I said I would, but this isn't the time of day I can really engage heavily (need to work, and so far that hasn't happened D
I will say that the whole "you're friends with dusts" and "didn't know it was that strict" thing has thrown me for a brainfuck of a loop.
I will continue to check this thread and interact as I can but I just can't spend the next 2 hours on this lynch. 3 is way too fucking many as it is.
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On October 09 2014 03:46 Superbia wrote:
Echoing the request for Rad to give his thoughts on other people.
Can you guys (abuse and superbia) explain exactly what you want from me? A list like superbia gave? You guys both read town to me so I believe the request is with good intentions, but list are fucking terrible, and if we end up with a thread full of lists it'll just turn into WIFOM bullshit.
I just don't have the time to give a detailed list like abuse gave. My play time is at night. If you REALLY want a list like superbia gave, fine, I'll do it.
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On October 09 2014 04:03 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 03:58 Rad wrote:
I will say that the whole "you're friends with dusts" and "didn't know it was that strict" thing has thrown me for a brainfuck of a loop.
. pls clarify?
You didn't know the game was that strict, and dusts doesn't seem to be interested in playing. How do I know dusts didn't tell you his role? If he did tell you his role, what does that mean in regards to your recommendation to lynch him. Mix that with your considering me leaning scum. It's a logical brainfuck and I don't know if I should ignore it or try to figure it out.
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Town:
abuse
Superbia
loafery
Lean town:
Elvis!
Null:
dusts
Breshke
Lean scum:
Fecalfeast
Scum:
The_Zen_Man
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On October 09 2014 06:05 Elvis! wrote:
We'll just wait until the dust settles ....
(Waited to post this for ages - didn't wanna distract from the lynch)
*highfive* for terribly good bad joke
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On October 09 2014 07:58 loafery wrote:
just a quick post before I start reading. Is it right in assuming the people that defended zen before his flip lean towards town?
I think this advice is appropriate.
On October 07 2014 13:58 abuse wrote:
5) loafery please stop pretending to be a total newbie, and if you are then address such unclarities with either the mods or your coach.
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On October 09 2014 09:08 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 08:17 Rad wrote:On October 09 2014 07:58 loafery wrote:
just a quick post before I start reading. Is it right in assuming the people that defended zen before his flip lean towards town? I think this advice is appropriate. On October 07 2014 13:58 abuse wrote:
5) loafery please stop pretending to be a total newbie, and if you are then address such unclarities with either the mods or your coach. so what do you think? am i lying through my teeth and acting like a newbie or am i just not very good at this game?
I think you're newbie town who needs to stop playing the newbie card and get some help.
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On October 09 2014 09:20 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:@The_Zen_Man Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point. The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them. What have you done the entire game? 1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game: On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?
On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why? He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged. (I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands) 2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM3. 0 scum huntingThis is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it. I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man you vote zen here, but you're also piggy backing on super's claim so what's difference? Adding in 2 points to the arguement? From what i can see zen pushed on super so he has been scum hunting and apparently on me also before so I don't see that as a valid reason for you to having voted for him and he was town, not a very good town but nonetheless town.
Believe it or not, I had already written #1 and as I refreshed to check updates, super had said the same thing.
Zen was NOT scum hunting, at all.
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On October 09 2014 09:40 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 09:27 Rad wrote:On October 09 2014 09:20 loafery wrote:On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:@The_Zen_Man Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point. The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them. What have you done the entire game? 1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game: On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?
On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why? He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged. (I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands) 2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM3. 0 scum huntingThis is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it. I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man you vote zen here, but you're also piggy backing on super's claim so what's difference? Adding in 2 points to the arguement? From what i can see zen pushed on super so he has been scum hunting and apparently on me also before so I don't see that as a valid reason for you to having voted for him and he was town, not a very good town but nonetheless town. Believe it or not, I had already written #1 and as I refreshed to check updates, super had said the same thing. Zen was NOT scum hunting, at all. what is your definition of scum hunting? What would the protocol for scum hunting be for you? I'd like to hear your response before I make further posts.
Actively engaging in creating discussion that helps clarify any suspicions you have (like you're doing now).
This is very difficult for scum to do because it creates a scenario where they might slip, and that can be scary. Zen was happy to sit back, let other people create content for him, and just pass judgement. This was a red flag for me and I was unfortunately wrong in thinking clueless/lazy/scared scum instead of clueless newbie.
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On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting.
I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim?
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On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's.
Wow. That answer.
On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim?
Your post here is scummy as all hell.
It's indecisive in when you would suggest them to claim, why they should claim, and even whether you actually think they should claim. It's open to allow others to tell you it's a bad idea while also baiting a vet claim out. It looks townie while serving no use to town. It says a whole lot of nothing while looking engaged.
On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's.
Now back to this gem. How am I trying to find out if you're a vet and not scum hunting right now? You're not getting over confident being a town read to most people d1 are you? Remember, we lynched a townie and there were 4 of us on him.
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DERRR EBWOP:
Obviously I meant your post HERE is scummy as all hell:
On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting.
Copy paste fail /facepalm
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@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are.
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5:20am, damnit, must sleep.
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I'm not caught up and won't be until later. Specifically I haven't been able to analyze the big discussion surrounding Breshke and Elvis yet and have only been able to skim posts throughout the day. I've had a haarrrdd week of work with a deadline yesterday and lots of cleanup today so I really had to force myself to step back from the game a bit. I should have plenty of time this weekend to keep up.
On October 11 2014 06:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
2. I tried to find the post but I couldn't but from last game someone important (blazinghand I think?) said "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching" in more or fewer words.
Breshke - do you agree with this statement "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching"?
On October 11 2014 07:26 Breshke wrote:
The problem is if we lynch wrong today and loaf gets modkilled we just straight up lose barring more PR magic.
Why are you worried about loaf getting modkilled? What has happened to make you believe that he will?
On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far. Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point.
No, revealing that information early is ONLY good for scum. Why are you claiming that me voting for you is voting for town? Do you think you're considered confirmed town or something? You're one of 4 who lynched a town on d1.
@Superbia
What are your thoughts on abuse giving me town points for my "rage"? Specifically, his being vocal about it.
Also, why haven't you voted for Fecal yet?
##Vote: Fecalfeast
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