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On September 18 2014 04:28 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:26 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:19 IAmRobik wrote:
I expect someone faking being new to ask "wouldn't it make koshi scummier that he's pushing on town!kush"
I expect someone who is actually new to state "koshi is scummier for pushing town!kush"
I think that both of those things are wrong. I think most vets would agree that koshi is townier for the way he pushed hard on Kush. Mafia tend to sit back and let lynches happen (for the most part), especialyl when they're mislynches. They don't want their hands dirty of anything bad. Which was why I accused VE earlier. He seemed like he was willing to push on Palmar, but didn't want to be suspected if Palmar flipped town. Like "hey guys, look, i even said that he might flip town" I wouldn't really say I was ever "willing to push on Palmar". I VOTED on Palmar, sure, but I never did any of the "pushing". I would agree with this reasoning if not for that and try and explain myself further, but like I said then, I wasn't pushing Palmar because I didn't really think Palmar was super mafia. In fact, I intimated the polar opposite, that I had a townread on Palmar based on something in the thread. So why vote? Because my townies (GOOD, STRONG townies) said Palmar was mafia. *shrug* Why are you still harping on this. I'm not pushing you. I used this as a freaking example to explain to fecal what I meant and my general feelings on scum/town motivations. There's absolutely 0 reason that you need to respond to that post I'm not harping - that you brought it up made me think you still thought it or whatever so I responded to it. Like, you literally go out of your way earlier to say that you think I could be mafia still (it's implied in your posts if you just go read them!) then you mention this. I'm not harping, I'm just trying to clear the air.
I said I have people I'd rather lynch and that I'm not pushing you and I'm not voting you. I don't know that you're town or mafia because I'm VT and don't have perfect information. You could still be mafia. You could be town. I don't know. I only brought that point up to explain mentality of town vs mentality of mafia FROM MY POV. Regardless, you're not on my to-lynch list right now as much as say palmar/geript are. Shiaopi might be on that list too. I'm gonna trust yamato and someone else's read on BC, because for them to be lying would mean that too many people are involved in the ruse and are all mafia, and that's unlikely.
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On September 18 2014 04:31 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:26 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:19 IAmRobik wrote:
I expect someone faking being new to ask "wouldn't it make koshi scummier that he's pushing on town!kush"
I expect someone who is actually new to state "koshi is scummier for pushing town!kush"
I think that both of those things are wrong. I think most vets would agree that koshi is townier for the way he pushed hard on Kush. Mafia tend to sit back and let lynches happen (for the most part), especialyl when they're mislynches. They don't want their hands dirty of anything bad. Which was why I accused VE earlier. He seemed like he was willing to push on Palmar, but didn't want to be suspected if Palmar flipped town. Like "hey guys, look, i even said that he might flip town" I wouldn't really say I was ever "willing to push on Palmar". I VOTED on Palmar, sure, but I never did any of the "pushing". I would agree with this reasoning if not for that and try and explain myself further, but like I said then, I wasn't pushing Palmar because I didn't really think Palmar was super mafia. In fact, I intimated the polar opposite, that I had a townread on Palmar based on something in the thread. So why vote? Because my townies (GOOD, STRONG townies) said Palmar was mafia. *shrug* Why are you still harping on this. I'm not pushing you. I used this as a freaking example to explain to fecal what I meant and my general feelings on scum/town motivations. There's absolutely 0 reason that you need to respond to that post I'm not harping - that you brought it up made me think you still thought it or whatever so I responded to it. Like, you literally go out of your way earlier to say that you think I could be mafia still (it's implied in your posts if you just go read them!) then you mention this. I'm not harping, I'm just trying to clear the air. I said I have people I'd rather lynch and that I'm not pushing you and I'm not voting you. I don't know that you're town or mafia because I'm VT and don't have perfect information. You could still be mafia. You could be town. I don't know. I only brought that point up to explain mentality of town vs mentality of mafia FROM MY POV. Regardless, you're not on my to-lynch list right now as much as say palmar/geript are. Shiaopi might be on that list too. I'm gonna trust yamato and someone else's read on BC, because for them to be lying would mean that too many people are involved in the ruse and are all mafia, and that's unlikely.
That's kinda where I'm at with the whole "VE is like SUPER DUPER TOWN" thing that's going on right now - too many people have said it for it to be some Mafia ploy. SOME of them have to actually believe it. :/
That was my thought initially though (sorry Palmar/Yamato/marv), that mafia's plan D1 was to just pocket VE and keep him alive til endgame.
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Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side.
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On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side.
Because of the bolded there's no telling - if one of them is mafia then the other could certainly be mafia. Or they could be town. You have to read them individually.
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On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side.
Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary.
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On September 18 2014 04:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Because of the bolded there's no telling - if one of them is mafia then the other could certainly be mafia. Or they could be town. You have to read them individually.
You think rayn would bus his buddy palmar this way?
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the reason I asked about them together is the post I quoted from geript earlier is geript kinda bussing palmar then, if they are both mafia
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On September 18 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Because of the bolded there's no telling - if one of them is mafia then the other could certainly be mafia. Or they could be town. You have to read them individually. You think rayn would bus his buddy palmar this way?
I type a lot of words apparently
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On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary.
I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team?
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On September 18 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary. I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team?
It wasn't a certainty palmar was getting lynched and kush wagon, which I kinda got rolling, was growing faster and faster. So much easier to hop on the mislynch and have everyone basically stop talking about palmar all together than to try to keep focus on palmar and get scum lynched d1. That would be super super silly of him if he was scum.
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I will be back later tonight. Assuming I don't die overnight, I will be back in the late evening PST
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On September 18 2014 04:39 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary. I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team? It wasn't a certainty palmar was getting lynched and kush wagon, which I kinda got rolling, was growing faster and faster. So much easier to hop on the mislynch and have everyone basically stop talking about palmar all together than to try to keep focus on palmar and get scum lynched d1. That would be super super silly of him if he was scum.
Yeah this is true, plus the fact that he's VERY open about the fact that he's also reading Kush mafia - he has every excuse to just hop on Kush.
This is a good point.
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On September 18 2014 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:39 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary. I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team? It wasn't a certainty palmar was getting lynched and kush wagon, which I kinda got rolling, was growing faster and faster. So much easier to hop on the mislynch and have everyone basically stop talking about palmar all together than to try to keep focus on palmar and get scum lynched d1. That would be super super silly of him if he was scum. Yeah this is true, plus the fact that he's VERY open about the fact that he's also reading Kush mafia - he has every excuse to just hop on Kush. This is a good point.
Like if Palmar is mafia then I think this probably clears geript. If Palmar is town then not so much.
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For endgame credz:
Bat snacks, Palmer, Superbia, LT, CR
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On September 18 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary. I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team?
I doubt that rayn and palmer are mafia together.
The way rayn was pushing on palmer, he was really emotional about it. He wouldn't be so emotional to get a teammate lynched instead of a town. We know that it was a genuine emotion rather than a fake play because if it was fake, he would have stopped at the mislynch. Instead, rayn trampled all over modkill territory even after the lynch. Would rayn get this pissed off that town is giving Palmer another day?
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On September 18 2014 04:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:39 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary. I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team? It wasn't a certainty palmar was getting lynched and kush wagon, which I kinda got rolling, was growing faster and faster. So much easier to hop on the mislynch and have everyone basically stop talking about palmar all together than to try to keep focus on palmar and get scum lynched d1. That would be super super silly of him if he was scum. Yeah this is true, plus the fact that he's VERY open about the fact that he's also reading Kush mafia - he has every excuse to just hop on Kush. This is a good point. Like if Palmar is mafia then I think this probably clears geript. If Palmar is town then not so much.
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On September 18 2014 04:44 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary. I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team? I doubt that rayn and palmer are mafia together. The way rayn was pushing on palmer, he was really emotional about it. He wouldn't be so emotional to get a teammate lynched instead of a town. We know that it was a genuine emotion rather than a fake play because if it was fake, he would have stopped at the mislynch. Instead, rayn trampled all over modkill territory even after the lynch. Would rayn get this pissed off that town is giving Palmer another day?
What do you think about Storrzerg and Glowing Bear?
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Oh wow Holy is still in this game too. Maybe we lynch Holyflare tomorrow.
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On September 18 2014 04:43 geript wrote:
For endgame credz:
Bat snacks, Palmer, Superbia, LT, CR
Not the worst list of all times.
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On September 18 2014 04:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh wow Holy is still in this game too. Maybe we lynch Holyflare tomorrow.
HF would have an infinitely larger filter as scum
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