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On September 18 2014 03:41 Fecalfeast wrote:I just woke up, i fell asleep before GSL even started. Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 01:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 17 2014 23:06 IAmRobik wrote:
Pg 120, I still don't believe this is Fecal's first game. I agree with this. This means I'm playing well? I don't think I am.
This means you're using terminology correctly that I wouldn't expect a first-time player to use correctly - you're thinking about things in a way a townie who has looked for scum before looks at things. At least in my opinion. You could say playing well, I just call it playing. "Well" remains to be seen, because you haven't tried to convince anyone of anything and we don't know if any of your reads are good.
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On September 18 2014 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 03:41 Fecalfeast wrote:I just woke up, i fell asleep before GSL even started. On September 18 2014 01:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 17 2014 23:06 IAmRobik wrote:
Pg 120, I still don't believe this is Fecal's first game. I agree with this. This means I'm playing well? I don't think I am. This means you're using terminology correctly that I wouldn't expect a first-time player to use correctly - you're thinking about things in a way a townie who has looked for scum before looks at things. At least in my opinion. You could say playing well, I just call it playing. "Well" remains to be seen, because you haven't tried to convince anyone of anything and we don't know if any of your reads are good.
Like frankly if this IS your first time playing then I feel like you're getting outside help and you may be mafia.
IS this your first time playing?
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On September 18 2014 04:19 IAmRobik wrote:
I expect someone faking being new to ask "wouldn't it make koshi scummier that he's pushing on town!kush"
I expect someone who is actually new to state "koshi is scummier for pushing town!kush"
I think that both of those things are wrong. I think most vets would agree that koshi is townier for the way he pushed hard on Kush. Mafia tend to sit back and let lynches happen (for the most part), especialyl when they're mislynches. They don't want their hands dirty of anything bad. Which was why I accused VE earlier. He seemed like he was willing to push on Palmar, but didn't want to be suspected if Palmar flipped town. Like "hey guys, look, i even said that he might flip town"
I wouldn't really say I was ever "willing to push on Palmar". I VOTED on Palmar, sure, but I never did any of the "pushing". I would agree with this reasoning if not for that and try and explain myself further, but like I said then, I wasn't pushing Palmar because I didn't really think Palmar was super mafia. In fact, I intimated the polar opposite, that I had a townread on Palmar based on something in the thread. So why vote? Because my townies (GOOD, STRONG townies) said Palmar was mafia. *shrug*
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On September 18 2014 04:26 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:19 IAmRobik wrote:
I expect someone faking being new to ask "wouldn't it make koshi scummier that he's pushing on town!kush"
I expect someone who is actually new to state "koshi is scummier for pushing town!kush"
I think that both of those things are wrong. I think most vets would agree that koshi is townier for the way he pushed hard on Kush. Mafia tend to sit back and let lynches happen (for the most part), especialyl when they're mislynches. They don't want their hands dirty of anything bad. Which was why I accused VE earlier. He seemed like he was willing to push on Palmar, but didn't want to be suspected if Palmar flipped town. Like "hey guys, look, i even said that he might flip town" I wouldn't really say I was ever "willing to push on Palmar". I VOTED on Palmar, sure, but I never did any of the "pushing". I would agree with this reasoning if not for that and try and explain myself further, but like I said then, I wasn't pushing Palmar because I didn't really think Palmar was super mafia. In fact, I intimated the polar opposite, that I had a townread on Palmar based on something in the thread. So why vote? Because my townies (GOOD, STRONG townies) said Palmar was mafia. *shrug* Why are you still harping on this. I'm not pushing you. I used this as a freaking example to explain to fecal what I meant and my general feelings on scum/town motivations. There's absolutely 0 reason that you need to respond to that post
I'm not harping - that you brought it up made me think you still thought it or whatever so I responded to it.
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On September 18 2014 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:26 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:19 IAmRobik wrote:
I expect someone faking being new to ask "wouldn't it make koshi scummier that he's pushing on town!kush"
I expect someone who is actually new to state "koshi is scummier for pushing town!kush"
I think that both of those things are wrong. I think most vets would agree that koshi is townier for the way he pushed hard on Kush. Mafia tend to sit back and let lynches happen (for the most part), especialyl when they're mislynches. They don't want their hands dirty of anything bad. Which was why I accused VE earlier. He seemed like he was willing to push on Palmar, but didn't want to be suspected if Palmar flipped town. Like "hey guys, look, i even said that he might flip town" I wouldn't really say I was ever "willing to push on Palmar". I VOTED on Palmar, sure, but I never did any of the "pushing". I would agree with this reasoning if not for that and try and explain myself further, but like I said then, I wasn't pushing Palmar because I didn't really think Palmar was super mafia. In fact, I intimated the polar opposite, that I had a townread on Palmar based on something in the thread. So why vote? Because my townies (GOOD, STRONG townies) said Palmar was mafia. *shrug* Why are you still harping on this. I'm not pushing you. I used this as a freaking example to explain to fecal what I meant and my general feelings on scum/town motivations. There's absolutely 0 reason that you need to respond to that post I'm not harping - that you brought it up made me think you still thought it or whatever so I responded to it.
Like, you literally go out of your way earlier to say that you think I could be mafia still (it's implied in your posts if you just go read them!) then you mention this. I'm not harping, I'm just trying to clear the air.
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On September 18 2014 04:31 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:26 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:19 IAmRobik wrote:
I expect someone faking being new to ask "wouldn't it make koshi scummier that he's pushing on town!kush"
I expect someone who is actually new to state "koshi is scummier for pushing town!kush"
I think that both of those things are wrong. I think most vets would agree that koshi is townier for the way he pushed hard on Kush. Mafia tend to sit back and let lynches happen (for the most part), especialyl when they're mislynches. They don't want their hands dirty of anything bad. Which was why I accused VE earlier. He seemed like he was willing to push on Palmar, but didn't want to be suspected if Palmar flipped town. Like "hey guys, look, i even said that he might flip town" I wouldn't really say I was ever "willing to push on Palmar". I VOTED on Palmar, sure, but I never did any of the "pushing". I would agree with this reasoning if not for that and try and explain myself further, but like I said then, I wasn't pushing Palmar because I didn't really think Palmar was super mafia. In fact, I intimated the polar opposite, that I had a townread on Palmar based on something in the thread. So why vote? Because my townies (GOOD, STRONG townies) said Palmar was mafia. *shrug* Why are you still harping on this. I'm not pushing you. I used this as a freaking example to explain to fecal what I meant and my general feelings on scum/town motivations. There's absolutely 0 reason that you need to respond to that post I'm not harping - that you brought it up made me think you still thought it or whatever so I responded to it. Like, you literally go out of your way earlier to say that you think I could be mafia still (it's implied in your posts if you just go read them!) then you mention this. I'm not harping, I'm just trying to clear the air. I said I have people I'd rather lynch and that I'm not pushing you and I'm not voting you. I don't know that you're town or mafia because I'm VT and don't have perfect information. You could still be mafia. You could be town. I don't know. I only brought that point up to explain mentality of town vs mentality of mafia FROM MY POV. Regardless, you're not on my to-lynch list right now as much as say palmar/geript are. Shiaopi might be on that list too. I'm gonna trust yamato and someone else's read on BC, because for them to be lying would mean that too many people are involved in the ruse and are all mafia, and that's unlikely.
That's kinda where I'm at with the whole "VE is like SUPER DUPER TOWN" thing that's going on right now - too many people have said it for it to be some Mafia ploy. SOME of them have to actually believe it. :/
That was my thought initially though (sorry Palmar/Yamato/marv), that mafia's plan D1 was to just pocket VE and keep him alive til endgame.
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On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side.
Because of the bolded there's no telling - if one of them is mafia then the other could certainly be mafia. Or they could be town. You have to read them individually.
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On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary.
I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team?
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On September 18 2014 04:39 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary. I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team? It wasn't a certainty palmar was getting lynched and kush wagon, which I kinda got rolling, was growing faster and faster. So much easier to hop on the mislynch and have everyone basically stop talking about palmar all together than to try to keep focus on palmar and get scum lynched d1. That would be super super silly of him if he was scum.
Yeah this is true, plus the fact that he's VERY open about the fact that he's also reading Kush mafia - he has every excuse to just hop on Kush.
This is a good point.
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On September 18 2014 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:39 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary. I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team? It wasn't a certainty palmar was getting lynched and kush wagon, which I kinda got rolling, was growing faster and faster. So much easier to hop on the mislynch and have everyone basically stop talking about palmar all together than to try to keep focus on palmar and get scum lynched d1. That would be super super silly of him if he was scum. Yeah this is true, plus the fact that he's VERY open about the fact that he's also reading Kush mafia - he has every excuse to just hop on Kush. This is a good point.
Like if Palmar is mafia then I think this probably clears geript. If Palmar is town then not so much.
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On September 18 2014 04:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:39 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary. I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team? It wasn't a certainty palmar was getting lynched and kush wagon, which I kinda got rolling, was growing faster and faster. So much easier to hop on the mislynch and have everyone basically stop talking about palmar all together than to try to keep focus on palmar and get scum lynched d1. That would be super super silly of him if he was scum. Yeah this is true, plus the fact that he's VERY open about the fact that he's also reading Kush mafia - he has every excuse to just hop on Kush. This is a good point. Like if Palmar is mafia then I think this probably clears geript. If Palmar is town then not so much.
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On September 18 2014 04:44 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary. I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team? I doubt that rayn and palmer are mafia together. The way rayn was pushing on palmer, he was really emotional about it. He wouldn't be so emotional to get a teammate lynched instead of a town. We know that it was a genuine emotion rather than a fake play because if it was fake, he would have stopped at the mislynch. Instead, rayn trampled all over modkill territory even after the lynch. Would rayn get this pissed off that town is giving Palmer another day?
What do you think about Storrzerg and Glowing Bear?
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Oh wow Holy is still in this game too. Maybe we lynch Holyflare tomorrow.
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On September 18 2014 04:48 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh wow Holy is still in this game too. Maybe we lynch Holyflare tomorrow. HF would have an infinitely larger filter as scum
He would have an infinitely larger filter as town too. Bad heuristic.
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Rly? Have I missed some bad games of his or something?
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On September 18 2014 04:49 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:47 justanothertownie wrote:On September 18 2014 04:43 geript wrote:
For endgame credz:
Bat snacks, Palmer, Superbia, LT, CR Not the worst list of all times. Not terrible. i would replace Batsnack and LT, and palmer/geript are probably interchangable. Didn't superbia claim a PR, or was that someone else?
He was one of the background voices yesterday during the shouting going "Hey guys, stop it okay? Gosh!"
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On September 18 2014 04:51 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:49 geript wrote:On September 18 2014 04:48 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh wow Holy is still in this game too. Maybe we lynch Holyflare tomorrow. HF would have an infinitely larger filter as scum False. I think HF would be way more likely to slank as town than as mafia. I don't think he would just be like "fuck this game, im' just gonna claim that silly town role and peace the fuck out." If HF was scum, I'd expect him to put in #werk
Being busy irl is alignment-independent. From my experience with him HF "puts in #werk" regardless of his alignment.
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On September 18 2014 04:51 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:44 Chairman Ray wrote:On September 18 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 18 2014 04:36 IAmRobik wrote:On September 18 2014 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik do you think Palmar and Geript could be mafia together or is it just one of them? Geript doesn't seem to be on Palmar's side and Palmar doesn't seem to have a side. Nah. So if you remember, geript is subbing in for rayn and rayn was super duper hard pushing palmar and wanted him lynched at all costs on d1. It's highly unlikely they are scum buddies together because Rayn wouldn't want to lose a teammate like Palmar, even if Palmar's mafia game is worse than his town game. I don't think Rayn buses basically ever early game unless it's super duper necessary. I disagree with this - with the way Palmar was playing I could see rayn as mafia trying to get some cred lynching Palmar if they're both mafia. I mean Palmar is like, literally TRYING to get lynched - would YOU want that on your team? I doubt that rayn and palmer are mafia together. The way rayn was pushing on palmer, he was really emotional about it. He wouldn't be so emotional to get a teammate lynched instead of a town. We know that it was a genuine emotion rather than a fake play because if it was fake, he would have stopped at the mislynch. Instead, rayn trampled all over modkill territory even after the lynch. Would rayn get this pissed off that town is giving Palmer another day? What do you think about Storrzerg and Glowing Bear? Haven't been able to read into them. I haven't played with them much to know their meta, and I haven't been active when they are active.
You're hardly active when anyone is active, so that's no excuse. What I'm asking is for you to give me your opinion on what they've said. If you have to read filters to gimme then do so, I'm patient. I can wait.
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On September 18 2014 05:11 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 04:59 IAmRobik wrote:
I must have missed him saying anywhere that he was busy IRL.
In fact, even when he was busy IRL in Order where he and I were mafia together, he was still able to be the top poster in the game.
He said it here: Show nested quote +On September 13 2014 20:06 Holyflare wrote:
It's not that I don't want to play I'm just incredibly busy with work next week I remember the Order game as well since I was on the same scumteam. A difference here is that Holyflare did claim a role and hasn't been counterclaimed. I would totally believe that he could hide behind the safety of a roleclaim as mafia, but being busy irl would also explain it. It'll be very useful if someone else who is a wandering civilian to come out.
Ugh. I'd be happy if just no one else claimed unless it's with something useful (a la, saving a mason partner from lynch, etc).
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On September 18 2014 05:29 IAmRobik wrote:
VE and I are actually masons. We just wanted to shit on the thread and pretend to be mad at each other cause it'd be fun
Yeah, I love making threads unreadable. Ask Foolishness or Ver, they'll tell you all about it.
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