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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 29 2014 22:17 GMT
#71
/replacement
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 09 2014 23:49 GMT
#1863
hi, it's gonna take me a while to read all of this thread.

is it all worth a read or should i skip to a certain day. can people give me what they feel are highlights/areas of focus?

anywayz i will be reading for a while, so don't expect anything from me for at least a couple hours
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 10 2014 03:53 GMT
#1867
i got through over half of the thread tonight, but i gotta go now. hopefully i will be able to give solid reads tomorrow.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 10 2014 18:49 GMT
#1886
the first post isn't updated, can i get a list of the people who are still alive; would really help as i am reading through this.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 10 2014 18:50 GMT
#1887
On September 11 2014 03:45 Vivax wrote:
Kita rubs me super the wrong way after subtly leading you to question my alignment with those questions.


would scum kita write a gigantic 3000 word post like that? honest question cuz i have never played with him. but my gut tells me that is either the most tryhard mafia thing ever or he isn't scum....then again it was just a detailing of all possibilities with limited conclusions.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 10 2014 18:54 GMT
#1891
why would he shoot at me, aren't i like confirmed town?

damdred voted on the former me; do you think mafia would be stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 10 2014 18:58 GMT
#1895
also, if someone does have a killing role, it would be better to NOT SHOOT at 6, because if you miss, you put us in lylo/sleep -> final 3 (assuming 1 remaining, and lose the game if 2); versus if you elect not to shoot its 5, and if there is 1 remaining then we have a mislynch available.

so if he does the smart play you're not going to get your proof.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 10 2014 18:59 GMT
#1897
On September 11 2014 03:56 kitaman27 wrote:
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On September 11 2014 03:54 ritoky wrote:
why would he shoot at me, aren't i like confirmed town?

damdred voted on the former me; do you think mafia would be stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow?


Are you sure you read this game?


i only looked at the vote history and am on page 60, so no i haven't read the game yet. getting there.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 10 2014 19:02 GMT
#1898
On September 11 2014 03:58 Vivax wrote:
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On September 11 2014 03:54 ritoky wrote:
why would he shoot at me, aren't i like confirmed town?

damdred voted on the former me; do you think mafia would be stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow?


How is it an easy trail if he votes for you? That statement makes zero sense.

He votes for 27nb and since it's an easy trail when you're scum, you're town?


so you're saying that you think he voted on his partner when he knew he was going down to give some cred/space?

yeah, no. 1) i am VT, 2) that tactic is far too obvious at this level of play and this late in the game.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 10 2014 20:22 GMT
#1901
well that's good to hear that you won't be irresponsibly shooting and potentially losing us the game.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 11 2014 20:55 GMT
#1910
5 left, closed setup.

so it is likely that there is 1 mafia left, but there is a possibility that there is two. i would like everyone to answer, if there exists a team of 2 mafia left in the game who it is and why.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 11 2014 21:41 GMT
#1913
for the most part, i am sure i missed stuff because after a couple hours straight of reading your brain glosses over, but i have a general sense of what went down.

and sorry, but there is 1 and it is kush is not an acceptable answer to me. i want potential teams of two, because that is the world we have to be afraid of today.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 11 2014 22:17 GMT
#1915
why are you refusing to consider a world of 2 mafia? you mafia trying to get a final ML?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 11 2014 23:18 GMT
#1920
On September 12 2014 07:51 Vivax wrote:
I've asked you for your scumreads, so stop switching topic.


i plan to give them, but i would prefer that everyone give their potential teams of 2 mafia and why first.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 11 2014 23:18 GMT
#1921
including you who is avoiding it
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 11 2014 23:41 GMT
#1925
On September 12 2014 08:24 Vivax wrote:
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On September 12 2014 08:18 ritoky wrote:
On September 12 2014 07:51 Vivax wrote:
I've asked you for your scumreads, so stop switching topic.


i plan to give them, but i would prefer that everyone give their potential teams of 2 mafia and why first.


I need to do another reread with the fresh flips in mind, but if you read closely you could figure out that for the moment Oats and 3d are my townreads, making your slot and kush the remaining scum.

I don't understand why you want people to post their reads before you. Usually you would come out with them on your own, eager to present your ideas, if you even have any.

Right now it looks like you ask for other people's reads to calibrate the ones you gonna post.


i feel you all have been entrenched in the game and have biases and tunnels built up, and when i post my reads they will be a fresh perspective not polluted by such things.

also you're doing a lot of saying things without giving reasoning. you should try the reasons part too.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 12 2014 01:58 GMT
#1934
On September 12 2014 09:35 Vivax wrote:
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On September 12 2014 08:41 ritoky wrote:
On September 12 2014 08:24 Vivax wrote:
On September 12 2014 08:18 ritoky wrote:
On September 12 2014 07:51 Vivax wrote:
I've asked you for your scumreads, so stop switching topic.


i plan to give them, but i would prefer that everyone give their potential teams of 2 mafia and why first.


I need to do another reread with the fresh flips in mind, but if you read closely you could figure out that for the moment Oats and 3d are my townreads, making your slot and kush the remaining scum.

I don't understand why you want people to post their reads before you. Usually you would come out with them on your own, eager to present your ideas, if you even have any.

Right now it looks like you ask for other people's reads to calibrate the ones you gonna post.


i feel you all have been entrenched in the game and have biases and tunnels built up, and when i post my reads they will be a fresh perspective not polluted by such things.

also you're doing a lot of saying things without giving reasoning. you should try the reasons part too.


What do you think am I doing without given reason?
I will probably be able to answer to that by pointing out where in my filter you had to look, but give me a first impression.


you're calling people town and mafia without reasons specified even though i specifically asked for reasons.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 12 2014 02:18 GMT
#1937
On September 12 2014 11:09 kushm4sta wrote:
@gb you are being active and i like it.
Scum is probably oats would be my best guess.

Not vivax cause he has tried really hard I guess? it's possible though.
The reason why I want to know how many mislynches we have is I want to know how hard I have to try.
Like if we have 4 mislynches, we can just lynch down a list and win with a very high certainty.


5 players left, if 2 mafia then 0 mislynches, if 1 mafia then 1 (assuming no prots/extra kills/etc)....you're a good enough player to think that through yourself...why are you asking this?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 12 2014 02:51 GMT
#1941
On September 12 2014 11:43 kushm4sta wrote:
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On September 12 2014 11:18 ritoky wrote:
On September 12 2014 11:09 kushm4sta wrote:
@gb you are being active and i like it.
Scum is probably oats would be my best guess.

Not vivax cause he has tried really hard I guess? it's possible though.
The reason why I want to know how many mislynches we have is I want to know how hard I have to try.
Like if we have 4 mislynches, we can just lynch down a list and win with a very high certainty.


5 players left, if 2 mafia then 0 mislynches, if 1 mafia then 1 (assuming no prots/extra kills/etc)....you're a good enough player to think that through yourself...why are you asking this?


u still didn't answer my question. if it's easy then why dont you answer it.

1 mafia left.
how many mislynches do we have?

4-1
MISLYNCH
3-1
NK
2-1
MISLYNCH
1-1

So tomorrow is lylo.
That means town is allowed 1 more fuckup


how do you know there's 1 mafia left? it's a closed setup. is this a slip?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 12 2014 03:22 GMT
#1943
On September 12 2014 12:16 kushm4sta wrote:
13 players
10 town, 3 scum is as standard as it gets.
If the numbers were different, there would have to be some seriously fucked up prs. I'm not seeing that this game from the people who have already flipped.


i agree with you, but why wouldn't you assume worst case scenario in a closed setup? why did you just immediately jump with certainty to 1 mafia remaining. that doesn't seem like a healthy level of paranoia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 12 2014 19:18 GMT
#1976
if glowingbear is mafia right here, then someone should give him a cookie.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 12 2014 19:30 GMT
#1978
On September 13 2014 01:59 Vivax wrote:
Read my filter. I know it's tough as replacement but I don't want to repeat myself.

I'll mention one point I already mentioned previously, as a little favour: Read D2 EoD, he scumread Damdred, then voted batsnacks after Damdred came back to thread in a scummy way (after his dinner), calling it a vote for self-preservation.

He didn't attempt to move people to Damdred, only sat back and put his vote on the townie when he was about to get lynched.


i read your filter, i read the thread. so here's my question to you: why did you waffle so hard on damdred during the last day phase? at the beginning of the phase you made a post where you adamantly wanted to lynch damdred since he was a liar and anti-town. yet the moment that the opportunity arose to move off that wagon onto someone else you did. why were your convictions so weak about confirmed mafia?

also, i think oats is pretty town from his unflinching stance on damdred.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 12 2014 19:31 GMT
#1979
On September 13 2014 04:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 04:18 ritoky wrote:
if glowingbear is mafia right here, then someone should give him a cookie.


why


cuz he is being townie as hell right now.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 12 2014 19:50 GMT
#1981
On September 13 2014 04:41 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 04:31 ritoky wrote:
On September 13 2014 04:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 13 2014 04:18 ritoky wrote:
if glowingbear is mafia right here, then someone should give him a cookie.


why


cuz he is being townie as hell right now.


how so


he is skeptical of someone demonstrating uneven criticism.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 12 2014 20:24 GMT
#1984
On September 13 2014 04:17 GlowingBear wrote:
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On September 13 2014 02:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
On September 13 2014 01:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 13 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
On September 13 2014 00:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 12 2014 19:58 Vivax wrote:
On September 12 2014 10:46 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 12 2014 10:32 kushm4sta wrote:
you dont think it's an important question?


Nope, I think it's a weird question. If you're town, you have to lynch mafia, it doesn't matter if it's day one, LYLO or MYLO. Also, nobody knows if we can have a mislynch as we don't know how many mafia are left. All we have are speculations regarding this matter.

Only mafia would be worried about how many mislynches are left. Town needs to lynch mafia under any circumstances.


Are you SERIOUS? Been a while since I read such a thing.

On September 12 2014 10:58 ritoky wrote:
On September 12 2014 09:35 Vivax wrote:
On September 12 2014 08:41 ritoky wrote:
On September 12 2014 08:24 Vivax wrote:
[quote]

I need to do another reread with the fresh flips in mind, but if you read closely you could figure out that for the moment Oats and 3d are my townreads, making your slot and kush the remaining scum.

I don't understand why you want people to post their reads before you. Usually you would come out with them on your own, eager to present your ideas, if you even have any.

Right now it looks like you ask for other people's reads to calibrate the ones you gonna post.


i feel you all have been entrenched in the game and have biases and tunnels built up, and when i post my reads they will be a fresh perspective not polluted by such things.

also you're doing a lot of saying things without giving reasoning. you should try the reasons part too.


What do you think am I doing without given reason?
I will probably be able to answer to that by pointing out where in my filter you had to look, but give me a first impression.


you're calling people town and mafia without reasons specified even though i specifically asked for reasons.


And I asked you for an example from my filter cause I would point you to where I wrote about the reasons, right now you're just making blanket statements.


Yes I'm completely serious. Why do you think this is absurd?

@ oats LOL so that's your strongest scumread? I love your logic. "Hey this guy just replaced 3d12 and has done nothing but pushing on kush lol you mafia". Seems legit.

I'm working now, will be more active 6 hours from now


seems legit that you would rather ridicule me than play the game.


I'm playing the game since I came to the thread. I'm not ridiculing you, I am ridiculing your argument, which is bad. You've being playing the whole game and your best case is based on a player who has been playing for less than 20 hours and the argument is that I haven't given reads since I started (which is an insane requirement, I can't possibly read 100 pages of thread that fast).

You just jumped on me after Vivax said my argument was bad. You didn't even tried to sum up my opening with the reads you had on 3d12 before. You might also be scum.

Vivax, can you tell me why are you voting for kush?

I can't read 3d.
Totally weird playstyle.
I don't give a shit that you can't read 100 pages. That's excuses. You can do other things.
My best case is on scum. I'm not obligated to make the longest case ever. Just gotta find scum. I never saw Vivax's argument man. Just read you filter and saw things I don't like.

And what are you going on about I might be scum man. I can't fucking play this game and be scum.


You're making your best case on a player that just started playing, calling him scum for giving the excuse that he couldn't complete the inhumane task of reading 100 pages of thread and give a solid read on everyone. More than that, you said you couldn't read 3d12 so you're committing the same "sin" your top scumread is doing.

You say that I should be reading the thread, yet you say that you haven't read Vivax post. Who's not reading the thread?


it's literally the post above where i said what you quoted at the start.

this isn't d1 "brah"
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 12 2014 20:25 GMT
#1985
On September 13 2014 04:58 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 04:30 ritoky wrote:
On September 13 2014 01:59 Vivax wrote:
Read my filter. I know it's tough as replacement but I don't want to repeat myself.

I'll mention one point I already mentioned previously, as a little favour: Read D2 EoD, he scumread Damdred, then voted batsnacks after Damdred came back to thread in a scummy way (after his dinner), calling it a vote for self-preservation.

He didn't attempt to move people to Damdred, only sat back and put his vote on the townie when he was about to get lynched.


i read your filter, i read the thread. so here's my question to you: why did you waffle so hard on damdred during the last day phase? at the beginning of the phase you made a post where you adamantly wanted to lynch damdred since he was a liar and anti-town. yet the moment that the opportunity arose to move off that wagon onto someone else you did. why were your convictions so weak about confirmed mafia?

also, i think oats is pretty town from his unflinching stance on damdred.


I started questioning my reads cause of the NK, like kita, and was annoyed at the inactivity during the day. 3d and bunnies posted almost nothing, and I voted them at the end of the day on a whim cause I didn't feel as confident any more, I think I expressed that sufficiently during the day, so go read again.


i read it, but my issue is you didn't take the initiative on the matter imo; you followed others onto that. like you were very willing to come off of damdred. contrary to your stated position.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 18:51 GMT
#2108
shit, overslept; reading as fast as possible
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 18:57 GMT
#2115
kush didn't you criticize me earlier this phase for making a simple case so late in the game? so what the hell are you calling your "activity" case?

"this isn't d1 brah"
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 18:58 GMT
#2118
On September 14 2014 03:55 Vivax wrote:
This fucking game, all the effort ruined by inactives and bad replacements.


if you're going to be a dick about it, then
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 18:59 GMT
#2120
On September 12 2014 12:24 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote:
On September 12 2014 12:16 kushm4sta wrote:
13 players
10 town, 3 scum is as standard as it gets.
If the numbers were different, there would have to be some seriously fucked up prs. I'm not seeing that this game from the people who have already flipped.


i agree with you, but why wouldn't you assume worst case scenario in a closed setup? why did you just immediately jump with certainty to 1 mafia remaining. that doesn't seem like a healthy level of paranoia.

lol



On September 12 2014 12:37 kushm4sta wrote:
this isn't d1 brah.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 19:06 GMT
#2130
plz insult me more, i would be glad to see you modkilled and be allowed to narrow my choices.

kush wants anyone dead; doesn't even say why right now. also his criticism of me is crap. yes i have been inactive since joining the game, but oats has been here since the beginning and his filter isn't that much larger than mine.

also i like this post by oats gb:

On September 10 2014 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On September 10 2014 01:25 Damdred wrote:
I'd honestly like to lynch 3d today, but I do not think you guys would listen to me at this point. Oats if Viv and Kit are obviously mafia why would you lnch me first instead of what you said as clearly mafia.

because I DONT KNOW WHICH ONE AND I DOUBT ITS BOTH BUT IT COULD BE BUT I DONT KNOW.

WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT YOU ARE SCUM.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 19:07 GMT
#2131
like idk why damdred would pander to his partner that hard.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 19:09 GMT
#2134
On September 14 2014 04:08 kushm4sta wrote:
sorry ritoky i dont mean to insult you


i don't mind if you criticize my play or anything, that's all in the game; just namecalling/personal stuff kinda childish.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 19:14 GMT
#2139
On September 14 2014 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 07:42 Tehpoofter wrote:
I am going to be busy for a bit at work.

I think it would be beneficial if we can get some reads out before the end of the night.

Oats are you going to be around I haven't really gotten to interact with you but I want to see where your head is it.



This is secondary argument, as my main is on my case, but look at how poof is lenient with oats. This post is just an example. It feels extremely fabricated, the way he phrases it, trying to distance, saying that he wants to learn more from oats without really pushing him.

He is always keeping oats at bay or giving him town credits. This sounds like a scumbuddy trying to cover his partner.


idk i have played with poof a couple times and that just seems like him trying to pocket an easy vote as mafia. he does that a lot. especially with more afk players, he tries to get them to sheep them. but i can understand your point as well.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 19:16 GMT
#2141
vivax, here's the issue right now; you and i need to talk about it i guess. i don't think oats is gonna be here. and i don't think oats is scum right now.

i also don't think gb is scum. i am with you on kush atm. but we can only get a tie on kush and a tie at 5 is bad (didn't read how ties resolve currently).

how confident are you on gb?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 19:19 GMT
#2142
##vote: kushm4sta

for now, could change shortly
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 19:22 GMT
#2147
lol, kush isn't even pushing his reads at all; he is just voting on the flavor of the hour. guy is quite clear.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 19:27 GMT
#2156
kush is literally voting anyone to die, lol. he just wants an ML
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 19:28 GMT
#2160
On September 14 2014 04:27 kushm4sta wrote:
wait vivax let's go to ritoky it will get a majority ok?


the OMGUS, you trying to save your partner and win?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 13 2014 19:52 GMT
#2173
told you, there's no way a mafia panders to his partner for a vote like that.....
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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