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On August 23 2014 06:10 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:09 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 06:08 yamato77 wrote:
it really does
and look at the way he talked about me
he's not trying to lynch me, he's just trying to make people not townread me
so fucking scummy And what does he gain from that if he does not try to lynch you? he's setting up my potential mislynch because he thinks I'm not going to try plus, he preempts my return to the thread with this bullshit
Ok I am going to speak in rayn's defence here, yamato what you have to realise is that to rayn it may have seemed strange people didn't read you scummy.
You said "let's solve the game" then gave your reads and promptly disappeared. Like I still read you as town, don't get me wrong. But what I am saying is that rayn wasn't scummy for asking.
I think it is kind of ridiculous to say he has been unfocused or unmemorable. I think he has pushed on the right people and guided town pretty actively. Even getting into heated arguments with WoS.
If you are using GB as an example of unfocus then half the fucking thread is mafia. His play noticeably fell off and then he was nearly confirmed so switching from his isn't really a scummy thing to do at all.
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On August 23 2014 06:18 yamato77 wrote:
it was scummy for him to randomly go "why do you read yamato as town?"
do you know how rayn operates with his scumreads as town? he makes fucking cases on them and argues about it for days
is this how he is handling his read on me? no. it's horseshit.
I don't like him coming after me, and I don't like how he's going about his read on wave or damdred either at the moment
I kind of explained the 1st point, not going to rehash.
I also don't see how he is "coming after you" can you elaborate. I think his WoS read is good, mhm I read dam as town.
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On August 23 2014 06:32 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:06 KelsierSC wrote:On August 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but kel is saying xat thinks I'm still mafia when the thread says otherqise. Xat says I'm unlynchable today and defends me on several occasions. yeh you are misunderstanding he defends you now but he did like vote and go pretty hard on you despite his read being that you were "awkward" like it is more wishy washy stuff that I don't like at all. On August 23 2014 06:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Yes, I noticed that too. Interesting I give little credit to xatas vote on me honestly. Basically he removed his vote and totally stopped pushing me after i reentered the thread. I think you aren't thinking about the evolution of reads i can think someone is scummy and then after watching and interacting they are town. Atm this just makes it so your case is built off old facts and trying to paint his actions red. Right now xata is town to me his views evolve over time he's not scared to say what he thinks and he's not avoiding. So yea
I still give some credit to it I think his read on you was bad. Once other people TR you he kind of backed off but I am not forgetting it.
Since then there is no evolution because he has no reads, his mafia notes thing was just nonsense.
Then as soon as some lurker appears with a mafia read on rayn he is all over it,
How has his play evolved since then what new play has developed, the "old" points still stand because I have nothing from him.
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Xat you are taking things way out of context there.
I never said Hapa was scum, at all.
What I said is that you have no reason to really think he is town, but you are perfectly happy to sheep his read and call rayn mafia. EVEN THOUGH you called him town a few posts before.
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On August 23 2014 06:46 Hapahauli wrote:
You underestimate my suave.
that may be so
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rayn can you explain that further
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On August 23 2014 06:59 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you voting for me Xatalos? Copied from my notes: 1) softpushing yamato awkwardly without follow-up 2) scumreading Damdred based on out of context / false reasons 3) basically just pushing suspicion everywhere and hoping it sticks somewhere
why was none of this in the notes you published, i think all the things you accused him of happened before you possted your notes
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On August 23 2014 07:06 Damdred wrote:
He just posted those comments a few pages ago kel.
and rayn no I'm a townie so stop telling me to shut up and post more logic
the stuff on you, not the stuff on yama
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Alright here is where I am at right now.
My top town right now, JAT, dam, GB, turtle, robik,
I think Rayn is town even though I didn't like his emo outburst, Hapa gets a town pass seems to have thought about his read even though I dont agree with it at all.. Yam i think his town but I don't really know what the fuck he is doing, not the lynch so w/e.
That leaves the lynch between Xat, WoS, Vane and Onegu
The stuff from Xat doesnt add up, he has no reads but suddenly Rayn is mafia it all makes sense, and then he makes up he has notes about this "push" on yamato, even though he posted his notes AFTER the yamato comment and it wasnt mentioned. Like holy fuck this guy is the scummiest dude in here by a mile.
Also Rayn just asked a legitimate question about why Yamato had a free pass. It is being blown way out of propotion.
Him flipping on GB is irrelevant as everyone thoughtt his play was dropping.
Exactly how was he focused. he asked important and aggro questions to WoS and Dam. Either way rayn is not the lynch.
So yeh
Xat, Wos, Vayne or Onegu are who we need to look at
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On August 23 2014 07:10 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure Xatalos is mafia aswell. His post on me just does not make any sense.
(1) I was never soft-pushing yamato. if you think i was soft-pushing him you have been soft pushing every fucking player in the game and it makes you 12x mafia.
(2) false
(3) false So your scumreads are Hapa, me, Damdred? That's pretty much as bad as it gets. It would only be worse if you scumread yamato too (he's pretty obvtown after the recent pages). 1) If that's not softpushing I don't know what is 2) this is certainly true as has been pointed out by others in addition to me as well 3) true since you've pushed a ton of people on weak reasons and tried to validate your pushes constantly
explain why he is obv town
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On August 23 2014 07:14 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 07:12 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On August 23 2014 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure Xatalos is mafia aswell. His post on me just does not make any sense.
(1) I was never soft-pushing yamato. if you think i was soft-pushing him you have been soft pushing every fucking player in the game and it makes you 12x mafia.
(2) false
(3) false So your scumreads are Hapa, me, Damdred? That's pretty much as bad as it gets. It would only be worse if you scumread yamato too (he's pretty obvtown after the recent pages). How the hell is yamato obvtown?! yamato barely manages to post as scum and his posts are all very generic and weak. Here he's really actively posting and clearly enjoying it. I think he hates playing as scum so he never shows joy in his scumplay.
what the fuck are we in the same game. none of your reasons are correct, he has made what...8 posts total and some of them are random shit like "THUNDERDOME" what in the shit whore mouth fuck.
I think yam is town but not for the reasons you gave.
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On August 23 2014 07:17 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 23 2014 07:00 Hapahauli wrote:On August 23 2014 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 23 2014 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:
I mean... I'm not sure why you want me to address posts you made on WoS when you unvoted him half a day ago.
But if it gets you to actually defend yourself, I can oblige. This is so fucking bad. I said "i want Hapa to comment on this". I changed my read on Wave -> means i do not want you to comment on it any more because it does not make any sense. You say -> "WOW THIS SO BAD!" For the record, I did post my thoughts on wave last page. dude you so scum. you do not do this as town. you actually do know when pushes/questioning ends and you do not push retarded shit like this. YOU JUST DO NOT. you are mafia. I wasn't aware that the process of pushing/questioning players had to end before the player I'm pushing enters the thread. Who wouldda thought. The thing is you are not looking at the full thought process. You are looking at some shit that fits your agenda. You answer / call me scum for things that are overdated. You do not do that as town. You just do not. Three sentences. Why am i mafia? Because your play lacks any focus whatsoever. And the quotes on Yamato are the best example. I've seen game after game of town-rayn lock onto suspicions and push those ideas until they're completely exhausted. And then I see something like this... Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
rayn let's solve the game What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... ...and then you just drop off. However what I find equally suspicious is what you abandon this discussion on Yamato for: + Show Spoiler +On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment. I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more. On August 22 2014 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Wave are you scared to have feelings?  On August 22 2014 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also do you think anyone is mafia? I have no idea who you do think is mafia. On August 22 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:15 IAmRobik wrote:On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment. I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more. Because or but? I don't understand what you're trying to say. The only reason to not care about what someone's saying is if you think they're mafia. If you think he's town then you should care. To make it easier for you: he said that when you're helpful and aggro you're town. When you're not helpful you could be mafia Well JAT covered that already. I didn't think i should answer it anymore. I don't read posts from people who i think are town and who i consider "worthless" because it does not help me find mafia. Especially posts about me. Sorry Xatalos but i think you are quite worthless at the start of the game, maybe for smth like 15-20 first hours. Same goes for Damdred. I do not read his posts properly until he starts posting properly. If that does not happen then my read might change. On August 22 2014 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2014 23:13 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? are you calling him mafia? I gave him a town pass today because of his interaction with you. He said someething about not being able to read WoS that well but did bring up his early posting being fluffy and that felt like town to me. I think mafia would have just said "he has shit posted yeh" WARNING WARNING CONFIRMATION BIAS I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired. I think you should reconsider some of your heuristics. Or maybe a bit more than some. On August 22 2014 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Xat townread on me was a little odd but everyone found him scummy and everything he did in that listpost flies in the face of good scumplay so I doubt it tbh.
What do you mean by the bolded? On August 22 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Listposts draw attention, having reads basically opposite to everyone else in thread draw attention. So unless he really WASN'T reading the thread, or plays scum like me (I highly doubt it), he's likely not scum. Bad posts are bad posts. People are found out as mafia because of bad posts. You can't just say "look a scummy post this dude is town because no scum would do that" (which i recently got painfully reminded of). I also do not understand your pre-flip association read on Xatalos being town because "everyone has called him scum" when in fact half of the players have not called him scum. You switch to random conversational topics that are nowhere near as pertinent at what was a pretty good observation of Yamato at that point in the game. And that's what gets me. I cannot see "Town Rayn" thinking like that. Abandoning a read like that to make a snarky remark about WoS's lack of feelings. And this process repeats itself with GlowingBear: Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic.
I gotta reread him tonight. Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 12:41 GlowingBear wrote:On August 22 2014 12:37 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 12:32 GlowingBear wrote:On August 22 2014 12:25 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 12:19 GlowingBear wrote:On August 22 2014 12:10 Damdred wrote:
@Gb you said most likely to be mafia out of those posted talk to me why its him (1)He is too aggressive page 1. Being aggressive is a town play, but being too aggressive with too little information sounds scummy to me or beginner's paranoia. I was like that when I was a newbie and I did that last game against Rayn when I was mafia. (2) his entrance is a tcontributing post which doesn't days much actually. He could be trying to look contributive while being mafia. (3) free town passes. He gave a town pass to Robik but didn't to WoS and they were in the same level of "rudeness". Tbh, those three items post on WoS were valid, but WoS is an easy target if you consider all those items already in the beginning of day 1. Being aggressive is basically how I get my reads as town. Apparently this counts as tryhard but if I am rubbing people the wrong way this early then that probably makes me town. The tryhard town read on me is correct. I already explained my town passes is a d1 style of mine it is easier d1 to give someone a town pass and see who is left. I also want to explain what was different about Robik and WoS. So robik was the first guy to basically say "you are stupid" which I actually read as town. only after Robik did WoS come at me and it was like just 3 nothing questions to derail town with. After that his rudeness was just almost like evasive and not contributing in anyway. stuff like posting a gif file, or asking for the SK to kill me. Recently he has been a bit more active but it almost feels forced. He basically asked everyone to give a scum read, an easy way to seem active. and then asked Gb about yamato, who has only said looooooool. Like I think there were better questions to ask. Bolded part is an okay explanation. I also said you have valid points regarding WoS, but it looks to early to push that hard. I understand you said it is your town play style, but I have to have my own interpretations of what you do. You can begin to ask better questions now, instead of WoS So for me I am waiting for some new players to kind of start playing and give an interpretation. I want yamato to give anything apart from his lol post. You won't get much from Yamato. Check the games he has played and you'll see that he is not talkative regardless his alignment. Can you tell me why do you feel I'm town? I guess you already said that but I didn't get it clearly. People who post these things always end up being mafia. Two strong quotes on GlowingBear. You seem convinced that GlowingBear is scum. You vote him the next day and bring up strong points on him. And then... Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe we should just lynch Xatalos because he is refusing to answer directly to questions and dancing around the issue. You never drop your read on GB. You just sorta spontaneously decide to go on Xatalos. AND IT HAPPENS AGAIN! Your switch to Damdred: Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reading Xatalos later but for now on:
##unvote:
##vote: Damdred
He actually ONLY posts shit other people have said. terrible. "I'm going to be concerned with my read on Xatalos, whom I haven't retracted my suspicions on later. IN the mean time, let me place my vote here." Rediculous.
QUOTES!
there was one quote.
explain this apparent attack on yamato this is the stupidest thing ever
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And this process repeats itself with GlowingBear:
On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic.
I gotta reread him tonight.
On August 22 2014 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
People who post these things always end up being mafia.
Two strong quotes on GlowingBear. You seem convinced that GlowingBear is scum. You vote him the next day and bring up strong points on him. And then...
On August 23 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe we should just lynch Xatalos because he is refusing to answer directly to questions and dancing around the issue.
On August 23 2014 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: Xatalos
You never drop your read on GB. You just sorta spontaneously decide to go on Xatalos.
You are dumb read thread
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I have multiple times but you dodge so.
I explained that he asked a reasonable question about yamato, but it is being painted as some attack and being blown out of proportion. If some guy said "lets solve the game" then disappeared it is odd he is getting a town read, I town read yam but w/e
You also say he switched off GB. GB came back awkward as fuck and played pretty poorly...then got basically confirmed as town. Everyone fucking switched from him. Is everyone fucking mafia?
So your point about unfocus is stupid because he went on 2 people, one of which I believe is scum and asked important and aggressive questions.
Like you need a better reason to come in first post and vote someone, like fuck off with that
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Another reason rayn is clearly town is because Xat is scummy as fuck and seems to think you have the most genius thinking A game mafia read on Rayn from just one post.
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I think Dam is town for D1 and there are better lynches.
So I was going to add that All vayne has done was make some dumb jokes and then tell people they have derailed the game or you have messed up the thread ahhh. without really giving reads himself and i didn't like that.
But now I think his read is kind of accurate, I don't agree I think Dam is down, But I will take Vane off the table for a D1 lynch.
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Also as this game has gone on I am more inclined to take Yam out of my town circle, like since Hapa came out Yam has just been a real disappointment.
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On August 23 2014 07:31 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 07:30 KelsierSC wrote:
I think Dam is town for D1 and there are better lynches.
So I was going to add that All vayne has done was make some dumb jokes and then tell people they have derailed the game or you have messed up the thread ahhh. without really giving reads himself and i didn't like that.
But now I think his read is kind of accurate, I don't agree I think Dam is down, But I will take Vane off the table for a D1 lynch. His read is accurate and wrong? Isn't that a contradiction?
No not at all. He has a valid point about Dam kind of disappearing. This is why the read is accurate.
But Dam has done other towny things in this game and he is not the D1 lynch for me.
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On August 23 2014 07:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 07:23 KelsierSC wrote:
I have multiple times but you dodge so.
I explained that he asked a reasonable question about yamato, but it is being painted as some attack and being blown out of proportion. If some guy said "lets solve the game" then disappeared it is odd he is getting a town read, I town read yam but w/e
You also say he switched off GB. GB came back awkward as fuck and played pretty poorly...then got basically confirmed as town. Everyone fucking switched from him. Is everyone fucking mafia?
So your point about unfocus is stupid because he went on 2 people, one of which I believe is scum and asked important and aggressive questions.
Like you need a better reason to come in first post and vote someone, like fuck off with that Oh geezus fuck I forgot that GB got confirmed mason around that time. Yeah that's my bad. You can remove that portion from the case, but I think the basic point stands: RE Yamato: the point isn't that he asked reasonable questions - that much I fully acknowledge. The point is that he went from that good observation (Yamato disappearing after "lets solve the game") into basically forgetting about it and talking about other random stuff. The basic point I'm trying to make is that a town Rayn's mentality would not forget something like that.
I suppose it depends how you interpret the question, it could be that his curiousity was satisfied I think a few people responded with why they felt Yamato was town and maybe he moved on with it.
Honestly I think the case doesnt hold water, the way yam and Xat have blown this out of proportion, with how quickly Xat and Yam both jumped on your read. I think you need to reevaluate.
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On August 23 2014 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thnak you for that.
but tbh, hapa is not aplayer who posts crap. he is mafia when he posts crap.
he is mafia.
rayn I personally think hapa is town for D1 and either way you won't get the votes on him.
Outside of rayn I would like to know who Xat and Yam think are mafia.
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