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I am not sure if i believe that Wave. Unless your plan is to just throw things left and right and see what happens. But i do not think you are that bad of a player.
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JAT he called himself scummy in Neat and Tidy game D1... 
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Fuck no, it was in Palmar's game:
On August 18 2014 20:23 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 20:13 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 18 2014 20:08 Damdred wrote:
Why would you give yamato a town read pass right now? You being silly now xat. Why dont you answer rayn's question before asking other people if they are being silly? I saw this post and reread the thread again and Ray never asked me any questions he called me scum a few times, which I think is a shitty case at this point but I can see the merits a fluffy post that results in a null is probably the scummiest thing that has taken place in the thread at this point.And also yea I can say or ask if someone is being silly if I want to you don't run me!
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WoS is like a cute little kitty who has feelings as town and he is saying weird stuff all the time and having fun.
As scum he is way more focused and plays as he should play as town because he loves playing scum.
Which is it this game?
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Why is noone calling yamato mafia?
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On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
rayn let's solve the game
What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!".......
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On August 22 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment.
I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more.
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Wave are you scared to have feelings?
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Also do you think anyone is mafia? I have no idea who you do think is mafia.
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On August 22 2014 23:15 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment. I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more. Because or but? I don't understand what you're trying to say. The only reason to not care about what someone's saying is if you think they're mafia. If you think he's town then you should care. To make it easier for you: he said that when you're helpful and aggro you're town. When you're not helpful you could be mafia
Well JAT covered that already. I didn't think i should answer it anymore.
I don't read posts from people who i think are town and who i consider "worthless" because it does not help me find mafia. Especially posts about me. Sorry Xatalos but i think you are quite worthless at the start of the game, maybe for smth like 15-20 first hours.
Same goes for Damdred. I do not read his posts properly until he starts posting properly.
If that does not happen then my read might change.
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On August 22 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2014 23:13 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? are you calling him mafia? I gave him a town pass today because of his interaction with you. He said someething about not being able to read WoS that well but did bring up his early posting being fluffy and that felt like town to me. I think mafia would have just said "he has shit posted yeh" WARNING WARNING CONFIRMATION BIAS I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired.
I think you should reconsider some of your heuristics. Or maybe a bit more than some.
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On August 22 2014 23:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Xat townread on me was a little odd but everyone found him scummy and everything he did in that listpost flies in the face of good scumplay so I doubt it tbh.
What do you mean by the bolded?
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On August 22 2014 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Listposts draw attention, having reads basically opposite to everyone else in thread draw attention. So unless he really WASN'T reading the thread, or plays scum like me (I highly doubt it), he's likely not scum.
Bad posts are bad posts. People are found out as mafia because of bad posts. You can't just say "look a scummy post this dude is town because no scum would do that" (which i recently got painfully reminded of).
I also do not understand your pre-flip association read on Xatalos being town because "everyone has called him scum" when in fact half of the players have not called him scum.
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Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic.
I gotta reread him tonight.
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On August 22 2014 12:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 12:37 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 12:32 GlowingBear wrote:On August 22 2014 12:25 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 12:19 GlowingBear wrote:On August 22 2014 12:10 Damdred wrote:
@Gb you said most likely to be mafia out of those posted talk to me why its him (1)He is too aggressive page 1. Being aggressive is a town play, but being too aggressive with too little information sounds scummy to me or beginner's paranoia. I was like that when I was a newbie and I did that last game against Rayn when I was mafia. (2) his entrance is a tcontributing post which doesn't days much actually. He could be trying to look contributive while being mafia. (3) free town passes. He gave a town pass to Robik but didn't to WoS and they were in the same level of "rudeness". Tbh, those three items post on WoS were valid, but WoS is an easy target if you consider all those items already in the beginning of day 1. Being aggressive is basically how I get my reads as town. Apparently this counts as tryhard but if I am rubbing people the wrong way this early then that probably makes me town. The tryhard town read on me is correct. I already explained my town passes is a d1 style of mine it is easier d1 to give someone a town pass and see who is left. I also want to explain what was different about Robik and WoS. So robik was the first guy to basically say "you are stupid" which I actually read as town. only after Robik did WoS come at me and it was like just 3 nothing questions to derail town with. After that his rudeness was just almost like evasive and not contributing in anyway. stuff like posting a gif file, or asking for the SK to kill me. Recently he has been a bit more active but it almost feels forced. He basically asked everyone to give a scum read, an easy way to seem active. and then asked Gb about yamato, who has only said looooooool. Like I think there were better questions to ask. Bolded part is an okay explanation. I also said you have valid points regarding WoS, but it looks to early to push that hard. I understand you said it is your town play style, but I have to have my own interpretations of what you do. You can begin to ask better questions now, instead of WoS So for me I am waiting for some new players to kind of start playing and give an interpretation. I want yamato to give anything apart from his lol post. You won't get much from Yamato. Check the games he has played and you'll see that he is not talkative regardless his alignment. Can you tell me why do you feel I'm town? I guess you already said that but I didn't get it clearly.
People who post these things always end up being mafia.
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On August 22 2014 21:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Which is absolutely fucking retarded, by the way. If Xat and I were both scum I can say with absolute certainty there is NO WAY IN HELL I would let him call me top town based on essentially nothing. Hell I don't think Xat would even be so bad as to try that on his own either. Scum NEVER give each other massive townreads like that. It's completely unheard of.
I had to look this up and comment on it.
I did that once. It ended up winning the game because Risen is so awesome!
so case debunked.
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On August 22 2014 23:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:15 IAmRobik wrote:On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment. I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more. Because or but? I don't understand what you're trying to say. The only reason to not care about what someone's saying is if you think they're mafia. If you think he's town then you should care. To make it easier for you: he said that when you're helpful and aggro you're town. When you're not helpful you could be mafia Well JAT covered that already. I didn't think i should answer it anymore. I don't read posts from people who i think are town and who i consider "worthless" because it does not help me find mafia. Especially posts about me. Sorry Xatalos but i think you are quite worthless at the start of the game, maybe for smth like 15-20 first hours.
Same goes for Damdred. I do not read his posts properly until he starts posting properly. If that does not happen then my read might change. Why are you so benevolent here to allow them to try to post more appropriate instead of actually push them?
Because it does not help me finding mafia.
Why are you concerned about the fact someone townreads you? Are there no reasons to townread you?
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On August 22 2014 23:48 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:On August 22 2014 23:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:18 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2014 23:13 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? are you calling him mafia? I gave him a town pass today because of his interaction with you. He said someething about not being able to read WoS that well but did bring up his early posting being fluffy and that felt like town to me. I think mafia would have just said "he has shit posted yeh" WARNING WARNING CONFIRMATION BIAS I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired. Why wouldn't a mafia say this? There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people. Yep I understand that idea but his interactions felt genuine to me. Curious why you think this, all of yamatos stuff at this point is one or two lines and theres no real analysis So he seemed relaxed made a few jokes about the poem, solving the game etc. Had a good town vibe. Then he said "I can't read WoS that well" but then "he seemed to be shit posting and complaining about derailing, whilst derailing" something like that. Now to me that is pretty town, obviously some people disagree but it feels town enough for a d1 pass. Yamato is not the lynch for me today Show nested quote + besides wave is guilty of the same thing kel is guilty of. Is that strong enough to really put into town pile and give a free pass today for you? can you explain that in more detail I don't understand you.
If me or Hapa says "lynch yamato" you will lynch yamato and not secondguess it for a second. ok?
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Robik i like you when you play the game. <3
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On August 22 2014 23:52 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2014 23:48 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:On August 22 2014 23:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:18 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote:On August 22 2014 23:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
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CONFIRMATION BIAS I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired. Why wouldn't a mafia say this? There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people. Yep I understand that idea but his interactions felt genuine to me. Curious why you think this, all of yamatos stuff at this point is one or two lines and theres no real analysis So he seemed relaxed made a few jokes about the poem, solving the game etc. Had a good town vibe. Then he said "I can't read WoS that well" but then "he seemed to be shit posting and complaining about derailing, whilst derailing" something like that. Now to me that is pretty town, obviously some people disagree but it feels town enough for a d1 pass. Yamato is not the lynch for me today besides wave is guilty of the same thing kel is guilty of. Is that strong enough to really put into town pile and give a free pass today for you? can you explain that in more detail I don't understand you. If me or Hapa says "lynch yamato" you will lynch yamato and not secondguess it for a second. ok? What is a Hapa? You are town for me so I would trust your reads, if Yam posts a bit more maybe I can reevaluate but for me he is town so far.
Hapahauli - a player in this game.
yamato is really easy to read because he cannot mirror his townplay as scum. I thought he was town early on because i saw stuff that reminds me of his townplay but then he asked me to solve the game with him and did jack shit after that.It is weird.
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