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On August 24 2014 04:06 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:04 justanothertownie wrote:
But ok, let's put that aside. I want your opinions on other people besides yamato. On everyone? Who in particular?
Your choice.
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On August 24 2014 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 03:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
First of all, too late.
Second, the difference being I am actually voting for the guy, and pushing a case that I originally wrote, and rayn did neither at the time.
How is that even remotely the same? AND on top of that yamato had barely done anything at that point in the game iirc---like the situations are completely different. What did you hope to accomplish with this line of questioning? It's so wtf
That is still the case and one of your main reasons for scumreading im afaik.
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On August 24 2014 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia? This is when Rayn posted. Yamato's filter is like 6 posts long at this point. Currently it is >30. Massive difference. It is not only the quantity of his posting (which is by itself a terrible heuristic) but the content and quality, which is absolute shit and belies the fact that he doesn't appear to care whatsoever. This is really dumb JAT.
Dumb is that you call the quality of posting a difference between his early and late posts.
And yes, of course it is dumb. My point is that I would never scumread you for this sentence BUT people who were all over Hapas case should.
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Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters.
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On August 24 2014 04:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:16 KelsierSC wrote:
I am happy to vote on yamata but I want to hear reads form Onegu as I don't want him to skate by with what I consider a pretty poor read on rayn that coincided with a lot of people scum reading rayn. I don't think Onegu's mafia in this one. He came into the game late, but the fact that he goes after Rayn first (of all people) seems pretty reckless for mafia. And I think my interaction with Rayn is a good example of what happens. Secondly, these two posts: Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Show nested quote +On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it? How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? He's the first person to question the claim, which strikes me as very townie. Clean, well-accepted claims are generally "off limits" to attack by mafia (in fear of drawing negative attention), but Onegu doesn't follow any of that.
Well, have a look at marvs case against Onegu from last game. Onegu likes to go against strong players as mafia. Also I don't see how it is towny to question the claim.
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On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:27 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:16 KelsierSC wrote:
I am happy to vote on yamata but I want to hear reads form Onegu as I don't want him to skate by with what I consider a pretty poor read on rayn that coincided with a lot of people scum reading rayn. I don't think Onegu's mafia in this one. He came into the game late, but the fact that he goes after Rayn first (of all people) seems pretty reckless for mafia. And I think my interaction with Rayn is a good example of what happens. Secondly, these two posts: On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote:On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote:
Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it? How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? He's the first person to question the claim, which strikes me as very townie. Clean, well-accepted claims are generally "off limits" to attack by mafia (in fear of drawing negative attention), but Onegu doesn't follow any of that. Well, have a look at marvs case against Onegu from last game. Onegu likes to go against strong players as mafia. Also I don't see how it is towny to question the claim. Last game?
Championsship game. Not that Onegu was mafia in it but the meta examples are still real.
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On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia.
Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore?
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On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself.
While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town.
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On August 24 2014 04:35 yamato77 wrote:
I don't really have the time to fight my lynch in the next couple hours
au revoir
Holy shit you are really begging me to vote you, aren't you?
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On August 24 2014 04:35 Hapahauli wrote:
As for Onegu - someone link me to the championship game? I didn't follow it and can't find it on the 2p2 forums.
I am talking about Iamps recent game. On this side.
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On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town. How is it weird? Townies OMGUS like this all the time, particularly Rayn.
Well, you basically say that you are scummy enough for a very good townplayer to scumread you. And not only is this player wrong on you but also on all his other scumreads.
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On August 24 2014 04:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:36 Damdred wrote:On August 24 2014 04:32 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 04:29 Damdred wrote:On August 24 2014 04:25 Xatalos wrote:On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 24 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
turtlevine is clearly an experienced player + town so him pushing Hapa makes me think about the meaning of life.
Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression. Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this. Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is? Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they? Also fuck lynching damdred today I don't have time for a filterdive until later tonight and I'm not confident enough. He's really obviously a smurf with a lot of experience (Prome? not sure but someone good anyway) + he's basically confirmed as town. These points combined lead me to at least show some level of respect for his play, so perhaps I should revisit my townread of Hapa. Well, Hapa just returned so I hope to see more from him from now on. Maybe yamato deserves a lynch if he keeps popping in and out of the thread without offering much of anything. It's also not a loss even if he ends up town. I still feel like rayn is scum here and I haven't seen anything to really make me feel otherwise. The bolded bothers me, obviously he is mafia if he doesn't contribute but what i've seen isn't as bad as some people think it is. I'm going to wait on his read to see if he can keep a promise meh. But why don't you care exactly? I care about mislynches i'd rather just lynch mafia every day instead of thinking well if hes town no great loss Because I wouldn't want him at LYLO either way if this continues. But its no where close to LYLO so why would you be ok with lynching town at this point? Man your timing is something else. Oh yea? hows that? Remind you of your own?
You seem to be very pissed this game.
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On August 24 2014 04:41 yamato77 wrote:
rayn doesn't understand that Hapa forces cases early just to get things going
This post suggests that you are townreading both of them, yes?
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Yamato you make it really hard not to vote for you.
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On August 24 2014 04:44 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:39 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town. How is it weird? Townies OMGUS like this all the time, particularly Rayn. Well, you basically say that you are scummy enough for a very good townplayer to scumread you. And not only is this player wrong on you but also on all his other scumreads. Well all of Rayn's reads are based of me being mafia and all mafia therefore attacking him. When you start with axioms like that, it's not weird for me to disagree with him. And what I don't understand is... if I was mafia, why wouldn't I just keep pushing him? I'd have a really good shot of lynching him between the two votes already on him, myself, and yamato. Instead I backed off and drew a shitton of unnecessary attention on myself.
I think you realized that you wouldn't have gotten him lynched and even if you had succeeded if he had flipped town you would have been the next lynch after how this went down.
The only small point in your favor is that you went against him like this in the first place.
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On August 24 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 04:47 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:44 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:39 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town. How is it weird? Townies OMGUS like this all the time, particularly Rayn. Well, you basically say that you are scummy enough for a very good townplayer to scumread you. And not only is this player wrong on you but also on all his other scumreads. Well all of Rayn's reads are based of me being mafia and all mafia therefore attacking him. When you start with axioms like that, it's not weird for me to disagree with him. And what I don't understand is... if I was mafia, why wouldn't I just keep pushing him? I'd have a really good shot of lynching him between the two votes already on him, myself, and yamato. Instead I backed off and drew a shitton of unnecessary attention on myself. I think you realized that you wouldn't have gotten him lynched and even if you had succeeded if he had flipped town you would have been the next lynch after how this went down. The only small point in your favor is that you went against him like this in the first place. I very much disagree with this, given that Rayn has the persuasiveness of a brick.
If this is true how did he persuade you that he was town?
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Ok, Hapa I will take a break for a while soon. Who is scum besides yamato?
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Take your time and do it correctly. I will read it later.
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On August 24 2014 05:58 Hapahauli wrote:
As for JAT, I really haven't paid much attention to him. He asks a lot of questions, some of which seem very irrelevant and pedantic. I would have to look at his meta if I were to give an accurate read on him, but I really don't have the time for that right now.
So pretty much null. He's a player that can maintain interest/activity as mafia, and I don't consider anything he's done alignment indicative.
Anywho, I'm more concerned with lynching yamato at this point.
It is hard to believe that you are not townreading me at this point. How do you know that I am a player that can maintain interest/activity as mafia btw?
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