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9 people, 2 day kills, 1 night kill. This game will be short and small, so I can meet the activity requirement even while playing cell mafia | ||
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Can't ignore the paradox, sorry | ||
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Palmar, the forgetful host (mafia palm tree) was modkilled due to inactivity | ||
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Therefore, ##Vote: Rayn | ||
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On August 18 2014 07:57 Tehpoofter wrote: Its night you can't vote donkey! Secondly its dinner time I'm sad I have to go but grill is calling me back in an hour ish. LOL I forgot it... First time playing a n0 game | ||
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On August 18 2014 08:00 Damdred wrote: Trying to keep up with the thread and i get stopped by the cop sad day for me blah.. anyway ray going hardcore Now tell him you're playing mafia. I bet you get arrested! | ||
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On August 18 2014 08:20 Xatalos wrote: I hope he is and makes a mistake He may not be the shitty witch, but I don't like that he started doing jokes about roles night0. Sounds like mafia trying to talk about blue roles and making it easier to the shitty witch to use his power. | ||
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On August 18 2014 08:37 Xatalos wrote: Hm. I guess it would be best to be as silent as possible about our roles until N0 is over. Dunno what would be the point of that check thingy. Possibly scum-motivated, or just bored. Rayn could be town trying to take a bullet, but that's dumb, and Rayn is a good player. Being bored isn't an excuse. You gotta admit it is at least suspicious. | ||
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On August 18 2014 08:47 Damdred wrote: I doubt ray is tryi.g to take a bullet night 0 he knows he's a good player and can help figure the game out. What do you think of what I brought, then? | ||
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On August 18 2014 08:51 Xatalos wrote: I think the purpose of that stunt would be rather to survive than to take a bullet as town. What Cop would joke about checks during N0? Or then he did that exactly because of that (WIFOM WIFOM). Anyways, it could be just to mess up with the scumteam. I did something similar in a N0 game earlier as town. So I don't really see it as exactly "suspicious", more like potentially scum-motivated, maybe without any real motivation or town-motivated in a convoluted way? So, without WIFOMing, he would be vt and, therefore, narrow the target to the shitty witch. That's why it's not a good play as town. That's why it seems to be mafia motivated. | ||
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On August 18 2014 10:33 Tehpoofter wrote: I want it to be day 1 already lol. I feel like n0 is going insanely slow. Maybe because Palmar started it so late for the Euros but I want to get this shit going!! I also want to get this going but I have no idea how to start a trend. I've brought suspicions on Rayn but people dropped it fast so... Yeah. | ||
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Easier said than done. Could you start doing that? Like, what should we do n0? | ||
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On August 18 2014 11:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Whats the difference between n0 and d1? Both have no flips so far and we all start with the same amount of info. Why are you putting so much importance into n0? The more we get people talking, more information we get to identify mafia, regardless which day or night we are in. I think town should use all of their time to pursue mafia | ||
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On August 18 2014 11:27 Oatsmaster wrote: wat. I meant if this game started on d1 we wouldnt be having this conversation. Lol why not? I don't get it | ||
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On August 18 2014 11:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Glowing bears stuff has been less than inspiring so far. Like he tries to vote for rayn because of his "rule"? then provides some semblance of reasoning after. Its confusing and not a normal thought process. Other than that everyone else is pretty meh. Yamato shitting on rayn is par for the course. The vote was a joke, I like to start the game like that, specially with Teemu. What I've brought from Rayn has nothing to do with my vote although for that reason (thinking he could be mafia fishing for blue) I would keep my vote on him. That answers you also, poof. | ||
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On August 18 2014 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote: It didnt sound like a joke, you cared about whether your vote was valid or not. Have you done this sort of stuff in past games? Yes, specially with Teemu. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=6#107 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462188-iv-titanic-mafia-it-has-been-a-privilege?page=10#192 Happy now? Why is this so important to you? How's this going to be alignment indicative? | ||
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On August 18 2014 12:19 Tehpoofter wrote: Do you really not know why it is important? To identify if I usually joke like that, I get it. But I don't get how it's not obvious that it was a joke. I even said that "if Rayn flips green, he's still half mafia". He's pushing me based on weird motivation, completely misreading me. | ||
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On August 18 2014 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Why did you choose rayn? And why didnt you say it was a random vote? I thought it was obvious it was a joke. I said that rule in a game he played in, so I decided to joke again. I'm not sure which game, tho. | ||
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On August 18 2014 12:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Right, you played 2 previous games and cant remember which one? man. Ok whatever, whos scum? I didn't said it was a game I was in, I said it was a game HE was in. I think I posted it on one post-game or on an obs qt. Too early to tell. I'd still stick my vote on Rayn although I really don't like you picking on such futile reasons. Maybe you're scum. Are you? | ||
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On August 18 2014 12:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Maybe you dont understand jokes too. So rayn is scum for bluehunting. what do you think of yamato? Yamato and Robik needs to talk more. Lurking isn't a good signal and I won't be able to read them if they talk nothing. And I find weird that damdred gave a possible town pass for Yamato just because he dropped some random words. | ||
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Skimmed through the topic. @Damdred: I pointed out something which was odd, and that was giving free town pass to Yamato so early and the reason is that he was posting more one liners than on another game. Do you really think this is an okay play as town? Also, you overreacted when I pointed out that. Although I always have a scum read on you, this makes me feel that you are a good vote for today. @Robik: On August 19 2014 00:35 IAmRobik wrote: I didn't like this line. He's seeking validation which is scummy. So, you point out that you think I'm scum and then you search for a post that you think it's scummy? Good thought process in there. You are also unusually lurking on this game. ##Vote: IAmRobik Because (i) your thought process is not natural, trying to force a scum read on a post of mine AFTER considering me scum for no particular reason, (ii) because you are lurking and dropping one liners in an unusual gameplay of yours. | ||
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On August 19 2014 00:45 IAmRobik wrote: I'm not defeatist. My thought process is not easily followed. I thought the point against glowingbear was going to be less clear to everyone, but having found the post I didn't like, I was easily able to explain myself. You clearly have never played with me before. | ||
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On August 19 2014 01:28 Xatalos wrote: To be fair he mentioned before scumreading you that he forgot the post that made him scumread you, then went and found it, so it's not like he invented a reason after mentioning a scumread... Probably. And playing "unusually" isn't scummy in itself really. I'm not considering it itself. He is lurking and dropping one liners and I don't find that townie, like I wouldn't regarding any player. After realising that, I think town Robik is much more capable of contributing than that. So, both these things together makes my second argument against him. | ||
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On August 19 2014 01:39 IAmRobik wrote: Minus the fact that I already said that I'm at work and playing off of my phone is fucking hard cause they blocked all connections to websites other than work related shit, so the majority of my gameplay will be when I'm home. So I repeat. Wrong Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong I always play using my phone and I'm also at work. You're still not contributing much. | ||
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On August 19 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: GB, while i agree its weird that Rob is lurking and spamming he thread like he normally would he did explain that his work blocked the webpages and he will be able to be more critical when he is at home. I want to give him that chance, because it is weird having a non spammy rob. But its not alignment indicative also. Also GB do you really think Rob is the best vote today? I think Robik is the best vote now, for the reasons I've brought. I don't like Yamato and gprit lurking as well. | ||
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On August 19 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote: Actually your case draws strength from rob not being rob like atleast thats what it seems. Rob pointing out a scummy post by you doesn't show that hes scummy infact he wasn't the first person really to draw attention your way, and hes told the thread about his posting issues so I really don't think you have a case. You're the first wagon. If you say you're town and if you believe Robik isn't mafia, who is? | ||
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You're pressuring me, I'm answering your pressure and I'm trying to push on my strongest scumread. I don't see how I'm shifting pressure to everybody else. | ||
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I don't get why are you scumreading me because of that. Tell me what are you seeing scum on me and explain it so I can clarify myself. I really don't understand it. I also don't like geript's huge lurk and then opening with a huge scumpile with only quotations without in depth explanation. What do you think of Robik? | ||
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On August 19 2014 13:19 IAmRobik wrote: I love how people can sit there and call me scum for really stupid reasons, and yet not know someone's opinion on their top scum read when they've said it at least 3 times I've re read your filter and all I've got was you calling me scum once and saying I'm wrong for reading you a scum. For town passes, you just say that you think oats is town because god knows why, Xatalos is town because he has a big filter, and Yamato town because god knows why. Give me an updated read on people? Specially, what do you think of geprit? | ||
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On August 19 2014 13:39 geript wrote: Since I'm finally home, I'll explain a few points on poofy: 1. The timing thing. Whether or not I'm right on what Marv saw is beside the point. Banks flat out stated he thought he knew what the timing thing was and is trying to emulate his town play. Who the fuck tries to emulate their town play as town???? 2. Banks has only pushed me as mafia when he's mafia. He also very much tends to do it at Lylo or right before Lylo. This is classic scum banks. 3. Banks fucking loves to wifom fake claim as town. He has like 2 posts about being cop after Rayn did it and nothing else. He's not playing for that fun factor at all which is super scummy for him. 4. He has no interest whatsoever in actually finding town. Rather he's focus on asking questions and doing jack shit until he actually picked up suspicion. EZPZ is scum would lynch As for GB, he's struggled to post. He had a pretty worthless entrance and then there was this gem of a post: This is really odd. He's lost as to what he can do as town? Did he forget he could reread or go through filters? Like that's super scummy. Plus he reads me as super town but has no clue about my reads on people. Wtf? On Dandruff. Rayn had the scumread on him and Rayn's reads early are quite good. His read on Xat was super early and almost mystical; too good for when it came. And as he progressed he softened the read from town to maybe town to more likely to be town but like 55%. How essentially detatched and idk "plAying nice" he's being rubs me the wrong way. Plus it's weird that he's able to find town reads on people but that doesn't push him to think: "if these people (Xat/Oats) are town, then the three scum must be in those other 5 so let me look at them closely." You've COMPLETELY misread my post. I never called you super town (I actually told that I think you might be mafia) and I was talking about Robik, saying that I had no idea of who he thinks is mafia. Your point 2 on poof is a very bad argument lol and although you've brought some good points about him, he is playing very similar to the last game I've played with him, in which he was town. | ||
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On August 19 2014 14:07 geript wrote: Ok noted and you're right that I read that one post of yours wrong. How does me not playing and the playing make me scum then? What are the similarities you've seen in poofy's play and link the game? Who do you think are town and why? I just think that lurking in the beginning of the game isn't good, it's easier to hop on later, so it's a mafia trait. Then your entrance wasn't good. I'll re read your filter to give a better read, as Robik said I didn't read you well enough. Poof is always asking questions to keep people giving information, he brings this marry bang kill list with some reads and then goes back into lurking. I'm on a phone, hard to link the game, but it was the last newbie game hosted by Haru. The only strong town read I have now is from Xatalos. He's been playing like he was playing on the last Titanic, where he was town, with a plus side that he is not dropping those "I think town is town and mafia is mafia" lines of him. He is giving genuine opinions about players and considering every possibility, and also putting a lot of effort. | ||
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On August 19 2014 23:34 geript wrote: Xat's right. Like 9 hours to go and it's like 1-1-1 or something. No lynch is not an option here. I'll consolidate on any of Dandruff, poofter or Giggles (but either of the latter is preferable). Get your shit together people. It is plurality lynch | ||
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On August 19 2014 23:52 Xatalos wrote: It's plurality lynch though so consolidation isn't as crucial. In fact it might be better to have 2 competing wagons, like GB/Tehpoofter. That would provide more info. At the moment I'm leaning slightly more on GB since Tehpoofter feels so similar to his last towngame (even that marry/bang post is pretty identical to that game haha - although maybe he posted that since I was looking at his earlier game...). Why do you scumread me and poof, exactly? | ||
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It matters because he did not give a solid read to his scumreads. He is only voting for me because my reads are "static/forced"? He doesn't like poofs n0, but I read no reasoning on his posts. He needs to show us his grounds on his scumreads. I can not explain myself when I don't understand why I'm being voted for exactly. I had a scumread on Robik and I'm pushingh on him. I specifically asked him to talk about you but he talked about four people but did not give a read on you. He town read oats because he is "obviously town" and all people that played with him should know that (?) | ||
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On August 19 2014 23:58 geript wrote: You realize he flat out stated he's trying to emulate his town games right? Lol WHAT? No, I didn't see it. Nonetheless, I think that if Xatalos thinks he might be scum, he needs to give us his own reasons. When did he say that? | ||
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On August 20 2014 00:26 IAmRobik wrote: Actually this doesn't matter at all. He's given 4 town reads out of like 8 players. You and banks not being town reads logically makes you mafia reads Last time I checked, 8-4=4, not 2 Do you seriously think that lynching people without having at least a gut feeling that they're mafia is okay? God, how can I NOT scumread you? | ||
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On August 20 2014 00:28 Xatalos wrote: I didn't like your readpost earlier today where you basically set yourself up for the day with a set of players that you'd like to lynch on very lacking, even flat out wrong reasons (I think I explained about that earlier). It didn't feel like a townie looking for scum, but rather scum dumping a lynchlist to prepare for the deadline. Listing those reads so early, with a lot of (made up?) reasoning, and not really evaluating your reads ever since, feels like how scum would approach the lynch. That and process of elimination (with several townreads the odds of you flipping scum increase). For Tehpoofter, it's just generally his apparent lack of direction / scumhunting and huge ratio of unnecessary posts that don't help the game in any way. And process of elimination. Robik I think is town. I don't really know his meta, but the way he's been posting feels like he blends with the thread and expresses his thoughts as he thinks. It's generally hard for scum to just post stuff when anything could possibly give them away. I've been bringing reasons on Robik since the beginning. I've pointed out weird things I found on other players because they have to be investigated. I wasn't creating a spectrum to vote. I was and I am trying to clarify things and require information so we can best decide our lynch today. I've been pushing on my strongest scumread so far, because I think it's better to hunt for scum and trying to be 100% certain someone is scum than lynching people on a big spectrum with something like 30% chance of hitting mafia. If you think my reasoning is bad, fine, point it out and convince me who could be our mafia and why. But I haven't seen much of this. You're considering its better to lynch people who actually brought content and is scum hunting since the beginning than lynching silent people that are comfortably sitting there watching townies killing themselves while bringing NOTHING to the thread. | ||
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On August 20 2014 00:44 IAmRobik wrote: You can start by learning how to play the game. But you're probably just mafia I thought it was a game where town should kill mafia by giving reasons why people are mafia, not befriending other townies by sitting back and saying "lol obv town lol you scum, if you don't agree you have to l2p" I won't take my vote off of you today. | ||
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I think we should lynch Robik because he is (i) mostly sitting back and watching people discuss, (ii) not contributing much to the thread and (iii) refuses to give comprehensive reads on people, specially when I specifically asked him to read geript. One question: cop checks are returned while still at night or at dawn of days? | ||
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When is the deadline. Xatalos this is too early in the game. Why are you asking so much for a gun shot? If the gunner misses mafia we will face LYLO really fast. | ||
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Poof you're AGAIN voting me for the same wrong reasoning you voted me on the latest newbie game. It's the third time you're wrong. How many times you have to fucking mislynch me so you learn how to read my town play? I saw Robik saying I'm lurking when I get pressured. I've been pressured the WHOLE game and I've being answering eevry question directed to me and pushing my strongest scum read at the moment, although I have a feeling I might be wrong by skimming the thread. I'm asking when the cop check returns to the cop because it will change everything regarding reads on damdred | ||
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I am NOT risking losing this game because they are probably both mafia trying to divert town attention. I won't risk losing the game because I was to late voting for a mafia! | ||
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There is not. You know why not? BECAUSE WE ARE VOTING ON A MAFIA / THERE IS LESS THAN 3 MAFIA VOTING ON DAMDRED | ||
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On August 21 2014 12:03 yamato77 wrote: Game is over, I am town gunsmith who apparently got role blocked. I actually didn't even send in an action N0 because my net died and then I tried to give it to Xata last night. It's GB/Oats/Geript Phew, I thought you could have the gun with Xatalos fake claiming vet while being gunsmith. GG guys, game is over | ||
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On August 21 2014 12:15 Damdred wrote: Xata just threw his vote down on me to soon but the other mafia would of beat Yamato into the thread anyway Yeah, I must say that Xatalos made LYLO easier to mafia tbh. Although mafia had advantage this LYLO. Town took some wrong steps in this game tbh | ||
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On August 21 2014 12:23 IAmRobik wrote: Like not lynching you d1? Like not lynching me d1. More than that, lynching poof. He was surely not a good option, at least from my perspective. Although everyone thought I died, including me. | ||
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On August 21 2014 12:27 IAmRobik wrote: The only real question was whether it was yamato or oats. Oats had a shitty d1 after getting the pass, but I was willing to let it ride til d2 You played really weird this game, I thought you were blue. Your town pass on oats was off lol | ||
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On August 21 2014 12:32 Damdred wrote: Thanks ger lol i was halfway nervous about calling it out cause nobody else did haha. oh it was a fun game i was an easish lynch though You were actually very townie this game IMO, and your reads were really good. BTW when I asked about cop checks, it was a genuine question as I don't know when it returns. Hey! My ratio is 100% with five games! | ||
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On August 21 2014 12:35 IAmRobik wrote: It was silly and ended way too fast and with town losing a cop and all shots it was so lame. Turned into just a mafia stomp. What's the point of a vanilla 9er with 6town and 3 maf. d1 mylo Town could've easily win if we didn't get the cop n0, Yamato giving his gun n0, mafia shooting veteran anytime, shitty witch being used on wrong role. | ||
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On August 21 2014 12:38 Tehpoofter wrote: Whoever witch was is a bitch. Also Geript you honestly should have been modkilled for voting intentionally after the deadline incorrectly. GG wish we would have have timers day 1 not sure why damdred just let me die but w.e. Town probably wins if he hammers. I don't understand how voting incorrectly would've result in a modkill | ||
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On August 21 2014 12:49 Tehpoofter wrote: Palmar's rules state don't post after a hammer. Geript voted/posted intentionally after the deadline. This violates his rules and is modkillable. You did the same but it could be argued you "didn't know" the hammer had happened. If Palmar puts in the rules you can't post after the hammer and you post after the hammer intentionally seems like intentional rule violation. So I assumed mod kill. He probably copy pasted that rule from another mafia game from him where he used instant majority so that rule wouldn't apply here, although I understand where you are coming from. I, too, messed up with deadlines and lack of countdowns. Anyway, gg, I think day2 LYLO is really hard but I believe roles were well balanced in the beginning. | ||
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We thought Robik and Yamato could be gunsmith, so we killed a threat and roleblock an inactive player. Double win. | ||
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On August 21 2014 23:07 IAmRobik wrote: I don't know what the point of being super active n0 is. Should just sit down and shut up and make mafia guess who to n0 and not give the shitty witch any extra info. Rayn made it so easy to get himself killed and he wasn't even right when doing so. Just because he was active and was trying to solve the game Rayn got shot because he is a good player and we were lacking information. If townies could be more active, we would shoot some one else, probably. Activity n0 would make easier to the gunsmith to send the gun to a possible townie, granting a kill day1. Just learned with marv that no matter what, you have to be town. Avoiding a night kill by not being useful to town is more harmful to town than to mafia. | ||
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On August 22 2014 00:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really blame myself because i should have totes read GB and Oats mafia. And it would have given Xatalos (most likely) more confidence to push his good reads on D1. I'm so happy you felt i was too silly to be scum lol You also had a scum read on damdred. I was going to use that as a possible red check from you to mislynch damdred BTW when does the cop check returns for god sake? | ||
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On August 22 2014 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: That was a one time thing. You won't get away with it anymore. I'm not trying that anymore now that you say it unless I'm town. TBH I just tried to emulate my town play and I think I would act as silly as that LOLOLOL | ||
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Idc tbh, I think it's balanced just because n0 is decisive. This could be a stomp from any sides. But if you think the problem was the mechanics and not gameplay, I won't argue anymore. | ||
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On August 22 2014 06:25 Tehpoofter wrote: Same if yamato doesn't give the "its too easy" read on GB we probably win. If you really think that you're really underestimating every townies gameplay and mine. | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:49 Tehpoofter wrote: He thought you were scum and was the only town on me. So if he votes you instead of me we hit mafia D1 and the game because a lot easier. Not saying instant win but the game definitely is different. I thought you were saying that Yamato's "too easy target to be scum" read influenced the other players. I get what you're saying now. | ||
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