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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 21 2014 02:43 GMT
#913
And yamato lurking more and more / losing interest points to scum too.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 21 2014 02:44 GMT
#914
Now gnight
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-21 09:53:19
August 21 2014 09:48 GMT
#952
I think I've become too lazy lately and need to second-guess myself more. Specifically I should have realized earlier that Tehpoofter 1) playing pretty much exactly as town before 2) going on a huge genuine-feeling
posting spree at the deadline, meant he was town. GB was certainly the better lynch since he hardly cared about the lynch at all. I still think Damdred wasting his vote on ME (of all people) at the deadline and basically causing the death of Tehpoofter was so.... anti-town that it was hard for me to read him as town even in the end. I guess it's ironic that this same situation repeated itself again (I think a similar town vs town situation occurred in Titanic between us?).

Maybe it was an uphill battle from the beginning, with the perfect scum actions and all. There was still a chance of success with GB being very close to being lynched though.

I did consider claiming at some point on D1, but I was
universally townread (at least until the very last minutes) so I thought there was a good chance of 1) me being NK'd and 2) me being given the gun. Maybe even both haha. Unfortunately I kind of slipped that I was blue in the end (making it very dangerous to shoot me). That's what I thought Palmar meant by my "big mistake". Oh well, luckily enough yamato would have given me the gun anyway.

(Fun fact: I really thought that yamato was scum at the very end of the game. Reason being that Palmar responded to my PM even though all 3 scum had been on Damdred for hours, meaning that the game was not yet "over". I guess Palmar just delayed the endgame post though. And sorry for ranting about the host PMs in thread btw, I should have been more precise with my questions too.)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 21 2014 09:51 GMT
#953
Oh and Tehpoofter posting something like "Honestly I'm not sure about Xatalos but I kind of need to appease him to survive" felt genuine too. I mean, it would make so much more sense for scum just to say "Xatalos = 100% town, player X = 100% scum" in that situation rather than posts like that. It's just so suicidal.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 21 2014 09:59 GMT
#954
Hm, it also feels like I have too much confirmation bias against players who vote for me (more so later on than at the beginning - I'm always suspected at the start for some reason). I guess Damdred's push on me was pretty crazy from scum perspective. Well, I didn't scumread Robik for the same thing though. At least he stopped his push to consolidate.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 21 2014 10:22 GMT
#955
Looking at the ObsQT I feel like I still have a lot to improve in my town play (specifically my reads). Scum is so much easier (or at least was until I started playing super active as town)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 21 2014 10:36 GMT
#956
Hapahauli with the reads :O

"btw there is one quite clear scumtell from Xatalos that he always does as mafia and not so much as town.
me and marv know it. <3"

>.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 21 2014 10:58 GMT
#958
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 21 2014 14:05 GMT
#965
Damn, looks like they considered shooting me for a long time Too bad.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 21 2014 14:19 GMT
#969
On August 21 2014 21:48 Damdred wrote:
Also the push on you wasn't that crazy, i still stand behind your reads were really lacking this game and you can say I asked small questions which i did cause i wanted you more involved at that point than just posting one liners and your reasons for voteing poof were horrrrrribbbleeee and then you started soft claiming


Well yeah I'll admit that scumhunting is the weakest part of my play. That's why my reads are generally pretty weak at the early stages of the game and slowly get better from there when I can see vote movements, deadline behaviour, night actions, roleclaims etc. I guess this game wasn't really my ideal game since there was so little to form reads with Like many players had only 1-3 pages of filter.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 21 2014 17:14 GMT
#1000
On August 21 2014 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2014 23:19 Xatalos wrote:
Well yeah I'll admit that scumhunting is the weakest part of my play. That's why my reads are generally pretty weak at the early stages of the game and slowly get better from there when I can see vote movements, deadline behaviour, night actions, roleclaims etc. I guess this game wasn't really my ideal game since there was so little to form reads with Like many players had only 1-3 pages of filter.

You had it all right at some point on D1. Then you did something and changed your mind.


I never read geript as scum until the voterace situation though, but I had GB+Oats as scum at some point, that's true. Well, Oats was partly because of a misunderstanding, and when it got cleared up, I kind of forgot about Oats (still had him as potential scum but not as a priority). GB I felt was scummy throughout the game, but I think Robik said that his recent posts were a bit towny at some point and I kind of agreed, so I just consolidated on Tehpoofter (in hindsight I never really felt that Tehpoofter was scum, in fact the opposite at many points in time, so I shouldn't have voted him really.... but I thought geript was town and apparently he had this magical read on him damn I'm too easily swayed sometimes).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 21 2014 17:20 GMT
#1002
Haha... Well thanks for cheering me up Unfortunately I wasn't confident enough in either read that they would last through the day (especially since geript was so super confident about Tehpoofter and I had geript as town).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 28 2015 20:20 GMT
#1016
Night 2

(just testing night start games for the votecounter... sorry)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 28 2015 20:20 GMT
#1017
##Vote test
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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