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Mages
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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onevone
218 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:24 Koshi wrote: Why is it scummy that MM1 talked with Koshi & Damdred about Avatar when we were talking about Avatar. Why is it scummy that when Mages posted about being afraid to post because he is new that MM1 said that Mages didn't need to be afraid to post because there were others just like Mages who are pretty new to forum mafia. Why is comforting people scummy? I am calling this now: Mysterymeat1 is TOWN I put money on it. Going against this is going against me. Please read again. I have never said that it's scummy to post about Avatar. It's not really definitely scummy to trash yourself. It's just that often scum are more keen to appear useless / meaningless as a player so that they won't be accused of being useless in the discussion. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:25 onevone wrote: The *case* isn't really scummy in itself, no. It just didn't feel good to have a big push on VE based on very weak / subjective reasons immediately after he was voted by VE. It felt like an OMGUS / panic reaction that scum might make in his situation. But MM admitted in his post that it would probably look like OMGUS. Which it probably is I think he took the second post out of context. But it honestly feels towny from him and how he normally plays hes at least posting his thoughts and interacting. You just feel like your jumping on him and trying to push because he might of picked up momentum for a good mislynch at this stage. | ||
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onevone
218 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:25 Damdred wrote: Why is it wrong for him to color that line red when you put that in your scum post about him? Because I've already explained several times now that it wasn't something that made him scum, just something to describe his earliest posts with. Why would posting about Avatar make you scum? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:30 onevone wrote: Please read again. I have never said that it's scummy to post about Avatar. It's not really definitely scummy to trash yourself. It's just that often scum are more keen to appear useless / meaningless as a player so that they won't be accused of being useless in the discussion. You don't agree that the reason to why Mysterymeat " trashed himself" was to make Mages feel more comfortable? Because that looks pretty pro-town to me. On August 11 2014 23:25 onevone wrote: The *case* isn't really scummy in itself, no. It just didn't feel good to have a big push on VE based on very weak / subjective reasons immediately after he was voted by VE. It felt like an OMGUS / panic reaction that scum might make in his situation. Dude. I just fucking coloured 50% of the things MysteryMeat said in green. TELL ME WHY THOSE THINGS ARE SCUMMY. You said this: On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote: 2) MysteryMeat1 After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much I just gave you 4 reasons to townread MysteryMeat of that case. Tell me why those 4 reasons are bad. Because your vote is currently on MysteryMeat because this: On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote: 2) MysteryMeat1 Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on. After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now. ##Vote MysteryMeat1 So if I know analyze these 2 points you made about MysterMeat1 1) Downplayed + talked about Avatar ---> Like I said. This is not scummy. He talked with some people about Avatar. He comforted Mages. 2) He makes a case on VE that doesn't say much. ---> Probably the best case in the game so far. At least way better than all the cases on MysterMeat. I am still waiting on somebody telling me the 4 green bolded things in his case are more likely to come from scum than town. Because I see it coming more likely from town. Why is your vote still on MysteryMeat? ##unvote ##vote: onevone | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:32 onevone wrote: Because I've already explained several times now that it wasn't something that made him scum, just something to describe his earliest posts with. Why would posting about Avatar make you scum? It doesn't make you scum at all especially what was going on in the thread at that point. Your case felt like you popped this in there as why other people were reading him scum and part of the reason that you were. It just felt disingenuous and a bit like you were warping the facts. And now it feels a lot like you are backtracking and trying to cover yourself. | ||
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onevone
218 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:30 Damdred wrote: But MM admitted in his post that it would probably look like OMGUS. Which it probably is I think he took the second post out of context. But it honestly feels towny from him and how he normally plays hes at least posting his thoughts and interacting. You just feel like your jumping on him and trying to push because he might of picked up momentum for a good mislynch at this stage. Honestly it's way too early to say that MM1 is today's lynch. The first wagon to get going is very rarely an actual lynch in my experience. But this is definitely a better topic to talk about than Avatar and it's likely that the clues to figure out the scumteam are already partly within reach from these first pages (combined with later evidence). | ||
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onevone
218 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:39 Damdred wrote: It doesn't make you scum at all especially what was going on in the thread at that point. Your case felt like you popped this in there as why other people were reading him scum and part of the reason that you were. It just felt disingenuous and a bit like you were warping the facts. And now it feels a lot like you are backtracking and trying to cover yourself. You "feel" a lot of hypothetical situations :/ | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:39 onevone wrote: Honestly it's way too early to say that MM1 is today's lynch. The first wagon to get going is very rarely an actual lynch in my experience. But this is definitely a better topic to talk about than Avatar and it's likely that the clues to figure out the scumteam are already partly within reach from these first pages (combined with later evidence). I don't think "Figuring out the Scumteam" is our day 1 plan. Specifically, I think that scum would be more likely to think about the game in that manner over town who *should* be more concerned with finding exactly 1 scum day one, or else achieving a good, information-heavy lynch. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:42 onevone wrote: You "feel" a lot of hypothetical situations :/ yes I always get in trouble for using the same sensory words sometimes when I am writing. However you still failed to speak to the nature of the post, if you said something appears to make someone scummy and then come off of it and misrepresent whats going on and come off of it its backtracking. And you are backtracking off of what you said of MM | ||
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onevone
218 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote: You don't agree that the reason to why Mysterymeat " trashed himself" was to make Mages feel more comfortable? Because that looks pretty pro-town to me. Dude. I just fucking coloured 50% of the things MysteryMeat said in green. TELL ME WHY THOSE THINGS ARE SCUMMY. You said this: I just gave you 4 reasons to townread MysteryMeat of that case. Tell me why those 4 reasons are bad. Because your vote is currently on MysteryMeat because this: So if I know analyze these 2 points you made about MysterMeat1 1) Downplayed + talked about Avatar ---> Like I said. This is not scummy. He talked with some people about Avatar. He comforted Mages. 2) He makes a case on VE that doesn't say much. ---> Probably the best case in the game so far. At least way better than all the cases on MysterMeat. I am still waiting on somebody telling me the 4 green bolded things in his case are more likely to come from scum than town. Because I see it coming more likely from town. Why is your vote still on MysteryMeat? ##unvote ##vote: onevone Why should my vote not be on MysteryMeat1? Should I rather not vote at all? I'll vote for someone else when I find someone more scummy. No point in not voting at all just because the read is weak. I just said that the reasons in MM1's case are not scummy in themselves. Yet you continue to ask me why they are scummy. I only said that the timing + weak (not scummy) reasoning of the case didn't look good, making it look more like a panic reaction. It's plausible that the case itself is a genuine town thought process. | ||
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onevone
218 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:47 Damdred wrote: yes I always get in trouble for using the same sensory words sometimes when I am writing. However you still failed to speak to the nature of the post, if you said something appears to make someone scummy and then come off of it and misrepresent whats going on and come off of it its backtracking. And you are backtracking off of what you said of MM How am I backtracking? I've never said anything else than MM1 being slightly scummy and that he talked about Avatar early on (not a scummy thing to do, just a description of what he did in comparison to Mages). | ||
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onevone
218 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:43 Sn0_Man wrote: I don't think "Figuring out the Scumteam" is our day 1 plan. Specifically, I think that scum would be more likely to think about the game in that manner over town who *should* be more concerned with finding exactly 1 scum day one, or else achieving a good, information-heavy lynch. I meant it as in generating clues to help determine the scumteam later on rather than figuring out the whole scumteam now. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote: 2) MysteryMeat1 Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on. After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now. ##Vote MysteryMeat1 Ok I think I might of played to many IML games and i'm putting to much on where votes are right now. However if you don't think its scummy why even put it in your post that lead up to a vote? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Also in a non-instant but still Majority Lynch game it's important to get votes out there at a reasonable time since it takes time to get 7? votes or however many we need today. Although you'll notice that I've refrained from voting. (#lynchbatsnax) | ||
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