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27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 28 2014 03:57 GMT
#383
On August 28 2014 08:09 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 08:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Ritoky, I'm pretty sure the only woman in this game is me.

And therefore you fail again.


Are you saying that men are not in favor of women's rights?

I reject the notion.


I'm saying that most men would tell me to "Get Back to the Kitchen"
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 28 2014 04:14 GMT
#384
On August 28 2014 08:55 Amiko wrote:
initial thoughts from prior games-

I'd prefer to put Cell C (my cell) on Day 3 since Marv and Oats are experienced and hopefully will be active enough to have good filters to work with. Day 3 seems ideal to me because it means that there is more accountability for what they post (since one of us is flipped) and I am hoping you'll all see I'm town by then.
Day 4/5 is alright I guess because I think I make more use of filters/prior quotes than other players, so if I'm around longer it means more filter to use. But, 3 would be my pick.

I wouldn't mind Cell E going earlier because in the games I've read/played with her, ninjabunnies tends to be more active early game and less active on later days. lilwade has been lower-activity regardless of the game day. Dunno Apathy.


^^Yes! That's because I get bored with the lot of you.

That, and I was mafia last cell game, and still got bored cause we were going to win.


Random comments as I read:

Is PA a woman, too?

Bh Actually gave me a compliment. I think the world is going to end.

On August 28 2014 10:48 Not really holyflare wrote:
Thats why we go DACBE.
C for guaranteed 1 scum lynch (unless marv derps) while A and D goes first. B for more risks and E being the most risky group to lynch into.


Why are we the most risky to lynch into?


That's all I have for tonight.
Everything else was pretty boring.

Though I am now up for voting BH, and Not HF is swaying me on his reasoning, but I still want to know the above.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 28 2014 12:08 GMT
#394
BH, you have a point, which is exactly why I would vote you over these other scrubs.

If we are hard to read, you don't want us near the back, because you lose all the strong players within the game.
(Though I'd like to think I'm one of the strong players)

Lilwade, you entrance appalls me. You calling me mafia makes me wonder if you are a good mafia player at all.
Curious, why am I clearly the mafia in the cell over Apathy? You must have wonderful reasons seeing as you have never played with me or Apathy.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 28 2014 18:28 GMT
#478
On August 28 2014 21:11 Holyflare wrote:
Why does mm1's entrance not disturb you bunnies?


Did he post? I must have missed it.

I wasn't really focusing on MM when skimming the thread. I saw my group posting, which is wayyyy better than last cell game when I was the only one posting for awhile before my lurker group showed up, which in a way benefited me since I was mafia that game.

I'm glad I don't have a lurker group this game.

On August 28 2014 22:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 21:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:
BH, you have a point, which is exactly why I would vote you over these other scrubs.

If we are hard to read, you don't want us near the back, because you lose all the strong players within the game.
(Though I'd like to think I'm one of the strong players)

Lilwade, you entrance appalls me. You calling me mafia makes me wonder if you are a good mafia player at all.
Curious, why am I clearly the mafia in the cell over Apathy? You must have wonderful reasons seeing as you have never played with me or Apathy.

Funny thing, I actually thought the same way he thought and wanted to wait until seeing lil's entrance before commenting on it.

You do give off a way to stiff vibe for me right now. Like you're constantly on edge for some reason.
Your very first post hit me as... not funny (I'm not giving you a bad time for that) at the same time it sounds like you're actually trying to somewhat defend yourself in that post. It's just a really odd mixture between people trolling, you trying to dig in as well but in the end we get some super awkward post from you.

And that feeling continues with your posts later on. You start off saying you like me towards a post from me that was clearly not to be taken seriously, again trying to keep the ball of "I can shitpost too!". I don't have a problem with that one post actually, not at all and no I'm not taking it seriously.
But you do end up going afk, get back in the thread and you're super serious when nothing has changed. My joke of a proposal (really I think it's good, the reasoning behind putting E last I mentioned just happened to be a joke) still is largely the same and you somehow think that's odd now.
So you actually went serious mode but I don't see why. You didn't do anything at all.

Furthermore:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 12:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, I'm back, but going to bed soon since I have class at 8am.

That being said (pob should have thought about that before joining this game.)

So out of my cell (I still need to catch up), my main FOS is PA. Screw going last for one, and idk. Something about him doesn't sit right with me. Im not sure yet. My mind can change.

I have now like, 7 pages to catch up on cause you mofos type too fast.

People I know I'm not voting for mayor currently: Ritoky and PA.

I'm still up for mayor. I'd like my group to go 3rd or 4th, but not last. For the reason that it takes a bit for me to be able to read people well, but I am absolutely terrible late game. Selfish, I know, but I think by then I can make a pretty good guess on who mafia is, which in the long run is better for town.

If you have any questions for me, let me know. I'll read them either tonight and respond, or catch up completely after my classes tomorrow!

more proof of you being unable to just be straight up with us. What's that "My mind can change" doing there? Of course people's minds can change, or so I'd hope. What's the point of mentioning that?
This is in essence exactly what I'm talking about. I think you're really scared and you're unconsciously (?) already setting up a retreat when there should be no need to be so wishy washy.


TL;dr:
Whenever I read your posts I get the feeling that you lack the balls to actually just shitpost or say what you mean.
That is I don't get the feeling that you actually feel the need to post something more serious when you do but do so because you think you should.


Some things I want to discuss with you.

1, So, I mean. I'm not intentionally trying to be funny? I have my moments. And I did like your post. Was there a problem with liking that post? (You mention that there isn't, but there obviously is if you brought it up. You go from that, to saying I'm super serious.). Also, I have no balls. Would be kinda weird seeing as I have a vagina. (Points to WOS for the joke )

2. I really didn't think my posts were all that serious, but I do tend to like getting started with finding mafia and making connections. I don't troll often. I see no reason to. While others may want to troll the entire game away, like I said, I want to focus on the game. It's easier to read people without all the trolling behind it. I AFK because I have a life outside of mafia. Most of us do. I had homework for my college classes (I'm taking 18 hours, which lemme tell you, really hard when you have a full time job on top of that) but I will be posting and being active this game.

3. I am not afraid to post what I think. I'll say whatever is on my mind when I want to and how I want to. You, or anyone else, won't sway that. I have no reason to retreat. Infact, I put out there I want to be mayor. Sure it was a shit effort compared to the ones who post huge ass posts, but it was my effort. And I had a cute funny picture.

4. My first post was my mayor post, was it not? Also, ritoky last cell game used his freedom pitch to become mayor. He did a shit cell order, which cost the town the game. I'd rather that not happen this game.

Also, my "Your post lacks orginality" was totally me joking with ritoky. Ritoky and I have a history- quite entertaining really. Prepare for the fake cop check on me later. (Yes, I know we don't have a cop.)

5. I feel like you are nitpicking everything I say just to throw scum on me. Was there a reason I put "My mind can change?" Eh, not really. I don't think it was out of place. I was mainly stating that I didn't like you at the beginning. My mind can change on that. I tend to type exactly what goes through my head, with no filter. It's how my brain operates.

@Lilwade: We get that you read me scum over apathy, but the reason as why you are reading a person as scum matters more than the person you are reading scum, imo.




I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 28 2014 18:38 GMT
#487
On August 29 2014 03:30 ritoky wrote:
Re: Apathy's campaign;

No one should ever vote for this guy. First and foremost, this quote:

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 08:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I don't care about what's best for you. I care about what's funny for me


He has already indicated that he has no intention of doing anything beneficial for others or town victory at the sacrifice of his own fun. Especially if that is in regards to moving his own cell from last to anywhere else. A mindset like that determining something that can have great impact on the game will only lead to the detriment of women's rights and the town as a whole.

Further, there are some strange things about him that would ward me off otherwise. First, this guy has been like a sleazeball politician trying to get votes. He talks with people and they say "ah i would change this about that order", and then he does it and says "see i did it, vote for me!". I don't want such desperation in my leaders. Secondly, he had that strange unexplained comment early on about marv before marv had talked that wasn't explained. Thirdly, he has been calling group A a shitstorm non-stop but for no particular reason. To me it indicates that he knows something more about my group than I do. I look at my group and I don't particularly see some of the more rude/boisterous people I have played with on these forums so I can't think he is referring to that. So what the hell is he referring to? Seeing as how it is his primary justification for wanting the group early.

Re: Order of cells

I am pretty much at the same place that BH is at.

I think D and E are interchangeable for first and 2nd.

D is a miserable group with low participation rates and a bunch of smurfs; last time I was mayor I made the mistake of leaving that group until later and going for the 2 groups I felt were slam dunks early. It backfired badly, because they still didn't participate.

Group E seems way too straightforward to leave until anywhere past 2nd. Apathy has done some questionable things and his mind is in the gutter, but he has tried to be the center of attention which gives him back some town cred for me. Bunnies is being wayyyyyyy to similar to the last cell game. She wants her cell in the same place, she is making no effort to get involved in mayor race, she isn't screaming town; just a lot of things pointing to the same play style that was mafia last time. As for wade, that guy is town. Like my top town read. His entrance into the thread was just pure BALLS. His first full-fledged game and he does that? If he is mafia, he has pocketed me already.

As for the remaining order, BH proposes ABC. My only issue with that is C being last, and it really isn't my issue. A lot of people just say that scum Marv is super easy to read, and so in the event he is scum and everyone knows it early on; it would be shitty to have an easy scum read sitting at the end cuz we may not get to him. Currently I have no preference between the order of ABC as 3,4 and 5; other than I would prefer C not be 5.


And the reading of me is wrong once again Ritoky

It's okay though, let me enlighten you.

Just because I want to be placed in 3rd or 4th does not make me mafia. Sure, yes, I did it last game too (Which you ended up putting my group last. Such a donkey), but I really do have better reads late game than early game.
I actually wouldn't mind being second. I feel like I can contribute much to town reads.

Also, not everyone wants to become mayor like you Ritoky. I put it out there I wouldn't mind being in the running, but I'm not proactively doing it. Why? Because I could care less. Yes, I think the mayor is an important decision in cell order, but who gets it doesnt matter. I feel that cell order should be consensus of town and not decided by one person. So as mayor, I'd listen to town suggestions that benefit town.

As for now, my cell order would be D/E/A, B/C.

The slashes can be interchangable of course, but that is what I would use.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 28 2014 18:47 GMT
#492
On August 29 2014 03:44 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 03:38 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On August 29 2014 03:30 ritoky wrote:
Re: Apathy's campaign;

No one should ever vote for this guy. First and foremost, this quote:

On August 28 2014 08:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I don't care about what's best for you. I care about what's funny for me


He has already indicated that he has no intention of doing anything beneficial for others or town victory at the sacrifice of his own fun. Especially if that is in regards to moving his own cell from last to anywhere else. A mindset like that determining something that can have great impact on the game will only lead to the detriment of women's rights and the town as a whole.

Further, there are some strange things about him that would ward me off otherwise. First, this guy has been like a sleazeball politician trying to get votes. He talks with people and they say "ah i would change this about that order", and then he does it and says "see i did it, vote for me!". I don't want such desperation in my leaders. Secondly, he had that strange unexplained comment early on about marv before marv had talked that wasn't explained. Thirdly, he has been calling group A a shitstorm non-stop but for no particular reason. To me it indicates that he knows something more about my group than I do. I look at my group and I don't particularly see some of the more rude/boisterous people I have played with on these forums so I can't think he is referring to that. So what the hell is he referring to? Seeing as how it is his primary justification for wanting the group early.

Re: Order of cells

I am pretty much at the same place that BH is at.

I think D and E are interchangeable for first and 2nd.

D is a miserable group with low participation rates and a bunch of smurfs; last time I was mayor I made the mistake of leaving that group until later and going for the 2 groups I felt were slam dunks early. It backfired badly, because they still didn't participate.

Group E seems way too straightforward to leave until anywhere past 2nd. Apathy has done some questionable things and his mind is in the gutter, but he has tried to be the center of attention which gives him back some town cred for me. Bunnies is being wayyyyyyy to similar to the last cell game. She wants her cell in the same place, she is making no effort to get involved in mayor race, she isn't screaming town; just a lot of things pointing to the same play style that was mafia last time. As for wade, that guy is town. Like my top town read. His entrance into the thread was just pure BALLS. His first full-fledged game and he does that? If he is mafia, he has pocketed me already.

As for the remaining order, BH proposes ABC. My only issue with that is C being last, and it really isn't my issue. A lot of people just say that scum Marv is super easy to read, and so in the event he is scum and everyone knows it early on; it would be shitty to have an easy scum read sitting at the end cuz we may not get to him. Currently I have no preference between the order of ABC as 3,4 and 5; other than I would prefer C not be 5.


And the reading of me is wrong once again Ritoky

It's okay though, let me enlighten you.

Just because I want to be placed in 3rd or 4th does not make me mafia. Sure, yes, I did it last game too (Which you ended up putting my group last. Such a donkey), but I really do have better reads late game than early game.
I actually wouldn't mind being second. I feel like I can contribute much to town reads.

Also, not everyone wants to become mayor like you Ritoky. I put it out there I wouldn't mind being in the running, but I'm not proactively doing it. Why? Because I could care less. Yes, I think the mayor is an important decision in cell order, but who gets it doesnt matter. I feel that cell order should be consensus of town and not decided by one person. So as mayor, I'd listen to town suggestions that benefit town.

As for now, my cell order would be D/E/A, B/C.

The slashes can be interchangable of course, but that is what I would use.


I disagree with you about your own analysis of your game lol. That's the 'murrican in me. You being the person I have played with most on these forums, from what I have seen, have a historically weaker late game. Your strength from my perspective has always been early projection of town on an overflowingly town level. Which you didn't do last cell and I thought you were scummy for and you aren't doing now.

And who's got the bad read? Pretty sure you have ML'd me as town quite a few times


Ouch. That hurt.

Like really hurt.

And yeah yeah

I'm working on my read on you.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 28 2014 18:48 GMT
#493
So HF's cell order is actually closest to mine. I think that would be best.

I'll be back to check in later.

##Vote: Holyflare
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 28 2014 21:32 GMT
#549
Hey Simba, speak to me oh wise one

(Simba is MM btw)

Also, while mtam brings good points, I could say the same for Apathy.

But I think coming out and trying to be townie or look townie doesn't necessarily mean you are straight up mafia. It could be that you are actually town and doing town things.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 28 2014 22:00 GMT
#564
On August 29 2014 06:51 Holyflare wrote:
Mm1's ninja vote disturbing me


Did you not see the exchange between him and Tamburini?
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 29 2014 01:41 GMT
#649
So: I just got off of work. Will comment on the last fw pages shortly.

(Side note: does anyone know how to fix a bike tire? XD)

On August 29 2014 07:21 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 07:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On August 29 2014 06:51 Holyflare wrote:
Mm1's ninja vote disturbing me


Did you not see the exchange between him and Tamburini?

what exactly are you getting at bunnies?


I was getting at that I didn't think it was a ninja vote.
Seemed as if it had progression.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 29 2014 01:44 GMT
#651
On August 29 2014 07:33 ritoky wrote:
well this ordering makes my life easy, just gotta find out which of these two is scum and not worry about the rest.



This is not towny ritoky.

Towny ritoky would be like "Let me find scum in my group, and let me tell you who else is scum".
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 29 2014 01:52 GMT
#652
SO I caught up.

Nothing really interests me.

The BH "slip"? might be something to look at, but is that a slip or just a change of mind?

I tend to find town more slip like that than mafia in their way of thinking. Mafia are more calculated.

Amiko is pretty much town for me atm as well.
Like, I'm not sure if I've actually played an amiko mafia game, but I wouldn't lynch him this game.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 29 2014 02:16 GMT
#659
Damn Amiko. You are messaging a lot today in forum.

Let's chat. While you are at it, tell me how to take this tire off of my bike so I can figure out the tube size and how to change it.
(I have no friends.)

So your points: I remember Marv voting BH, tbh, the rest looked like sheep votes without reason. Does sheep votes mean they are mafia? eh, maybe. But not really. So I'd have to see more of each of their play.

I am actually really curious as to WHY PA votes HF as mayor, and then puts him as mafia.
He says mayor doesn't matter, but I think it does in a sense.
Why would you want mafia to be mayor?

Like I said, nothing else I read really interested me.

I'm still salty towards BH for lynching me d1, so tbh, I'd totally sheep the BH vote for the hell of it, but I don't necessarily see anything based behind it. Then again, I've only played 1 BH game, and dont know how he acts really as either alignment.

Most of my things on ritoky are silly and not actually anything. I like joking with ritoky mostly because 1. he always fake cop checks me, and 2. he watches me and a few others play video mafia.

Though, my recent post, saying that town ritoky wouldn't say this is true. Ritoky is very much about figuring out the game, not just figuring out the cell and letting the rest pass by. So him saying that makes me think he's not town ritoky.

But I do agree with you, his posts are better than batsnacks'.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 29 2014 02:44 GMT
#666
@Ritoky: You really might want to read that last game and compare it to this game, cause you are extremely wrong.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 29 2014 03:12 GMT
#672
My inner goddess will come out eventually.

Not sure which one you will get though.

My goddess has multiple personalities. Hopefully we don't get the bitch.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 29 2014 13:29 GMT
#759
On August 29 2014 13:06 Amiko wrote:
@bunnies:
It's been so long since I've ridden a bike I don't think I can give you any guidance for the tires :D

I don't really like Apathy/Marv's vote on BH because I don't really understand the "misguided" comment at all.
It doesn't really make much sense to me when
(1) batsnacks votes Blazinghand
(2) Apathy + marv say batsnacks is [u]misguided[u], then vote for Blazinghand
And when reading batsnacks I didn't really see what there was to be misguided (or correctly-guided) about in his non-crazy posts.

I get what you are saying about PA voting HF for mayor then seeing HF as mafia, but those two things honestly feel kind of unrelated to me. I voted for HF, but it wasn't because I felt he was more town, it was more because the order he provided seemed more likely to get two things I was hoping for him (E first, C fourth).
It doesn't matter much now, but in retrospect I think voting for a player that gives potential choices (such as indicating they may pick one of two choices) rather than a firm ordering is bad for town... but that's a lesson to try to remember in Cell 4, I guess.

If ritoky has always been town in forums I'll probably focus more on just this game from him to try to get reads.


It's okay, I tried to get the tire off, but couldn't.

I'm a weak female. Meh.

I don't really understand the whole misguided thing at all.

Me confused.

But the WOS/HF arguement is freaking hilarious.

I'm sitting in my nutrition class trying not to laugh my ass off at their bickering.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 29 2014 13:34 GMT
#761
On August 29 2014 22:32 Holyflare wrote:
Batsnacks did retarded shit and nobody knows what he is doing. He looks like he believes his retarded shit is doing good and has a plan™ this belief makes him look towny even if the belief is retarded and isn't actually helping. His actions are misguided. Like. Wtf. How do people not understand this yet?


Doing stupid stuff doesn't make you town.

Being misguided doesn't make you town, and tbh it doesn't look super towny.

I could easily dumbtell and be like, "Ohmehgerd, how many mafia are here?" or "ohmehgerd, I'm gonna give terrible plan then errebody think Im town because it so terrible it can't be mafia".

SO I understand. I just dn't believe it.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 29 2014 13:53 GMT
#765
On August 29 2014 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
like if ninja or oats or whoever can give me a single reason why BH is town, I'm all ears.


I can't, cause at this point, I don't know who is mafia and who is town.

Ritoky, while he has been posting, is not town ritoky I'm used to. So like, I know I read him wrong often, and maybe I should flip my vote, but Town Ritoky wouldn't just focus on figuring out his cell. He would also offer information on other cells. He didn't offer any information on other cells until AFTER I said something about it.

BS- meh. The whole misguided thing is stupid imo, and not how you should read someone. BS seemed more trolly during mayor phase, so Idk. I feel mayor phase shouldnt really pertain to day 1 reads. But BS hasn't given me much today to go on.

BH- like I said earlier. I'm salty that BH got me day 1 lynched in a previous game we played, and would just vote him off because of that, and be like "How does it feel, bitch?" My inner goddess would thrive in this.

But Idk how to read BH. So like, I agree, he seems to be doing nothing but whining, but is that town BH or mafia BH? Idk.

And that's where I am at on this cell.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 29 2014 13:59 GMT
#768
On August 29 2014 22:56 marvellosity wrote:
btw bunnies that was an appalling post.

there's literally no opinion in all those words.


Yay! I love appalling posts.

I had an opinion.

They've all done mafiaesk things. Idk who is mafia.

If you want me to rank them from scummiest to least, I will.

1.BH
2.Ritoky
3. BS

I mean, that's the best I can give you.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
August 29 2014 15:17 GMT
#789
Why is BH above Ritoky?

Because I trust other people's reads on BH rather than my own. I've played 1 game with BH. Some people here have tens, twenties of games with BH.

I've played many games with Ritoky. While I agree this is not his town play I'm used to seeing, I ALWAYS read ritoky wrong. Seriously, in every game I've played with him, I've read him wrong. I've stated this, that maybe I should just flip my read on him. However, I won't deny that he is scummy, which is why he is second over bs.

I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
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