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On August 05 2014 23:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 23:17 HaruRH wrote:On August 05 2014 23:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 05 2014 23:11 HaruRH wrote:On August 05 2014 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Gobble I think your case is bad in that it doesn't explain why Haru is scum, at least the first part doesn't really matter to me. Scum is more likely to invent a bs reason to vote someone rather than just sheeping. I still think the strongest points are: - Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
- List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
- Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
- In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
Wrong. Your arguments aren't correct too. 1) I did not ask how strong marv's townreads are. I am asking if his townreads will align with anyone, thus achieving his 'everyone playing so townie scum dies' part. 2) I promised list posts. I delivered. I won't bother with anymore of this weak argument. 3) No. Like I said (this will be the very last time im saying this), I don't scumread based on unsubstantiated reads. It is instead based on how much content they are willing to deliver through their different promises. A potential content giver who haven't give shit early d1 (this is expected) is null read by me. But not you guys who deny content from me. 4) seriously? 1) You asked Marv what a strong townread was when this bore no relevance to the question. It was a deflection. 2) You said you don't give weak list posts as town, then you proceeded to give weak list posts. It's a contradiction. 3) Are you seriously saying you let promises influence your decision? Mafia are the king of promises. Townies just deliver when they have the information. 4) Yes. 1) how did you interpret 'Problem is, what constitutes looking really townie? What heuristics do you use to judge?' As what a strong townread was? Deflection from? It bore relevance to how I attempt to read marv. 2) yes and no. I said I dont give reads d1. I did not say I dont give weak list posts. Quote where I said it IN CONTEXT to the previous post I am replying to. 3) Yes. If you decide to give jackshit, you're trying to lurk. 4) no. 1) It should be very obvious what he means with top town. The comment was completely irrelevant to the context, thus deflecting from the original topic. 2) See Marv 3) Promises are irrelevant to actually doing things. Also, my original point was that your reads are unsubstantiated. You haven't given a proper case with reasoning on why I'm scum other than a very vague "his filter is unreadable and he hasn't delivered content". I have given concrete reasons for why you're scum. 4) Yes. Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 23:19 HaruRH wrote:On August 05 2014 23:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Haru if you think scum would want to hide in top town why are all the people you suspect the people everyone suspects? So you're saying I must 100% throw them in scumreads? Not allowed to park them in null reads until I see anything fishy? You have 5 (!!) scumreads and you have barely interacted with them, and then you still think there are scumreads in your null reads. How is anyone meant to take your reads seriously?
1) if it is so obvious, explain it to me.
2) see my reply to marv
3) promises create a situation where people actually do things. While the rest with no indication of any content will probably not post jackshit d1. I don't see how those are concrete if I can dispute them. No.
4) no.
Like what eden said, half the town isn't scumhunting. Those that aren't will be in there. This shouldn't be surprising. I am having a hard time confirming anyone as town.
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On August 05 2014 23:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:
2) gobble's reads, outside of his definite read on artanis early on, have been drifting too much for my liking. If you read his filter in between his artanis and scumread on me, everything is a null read. Furthermore, there was no indication of further content so I put him in scumtown first. But this is bullshit, gobbledy has been plenty decisive on various things. Artanis is mafia, you're his 2nd read, Poofter is mafia. Of course he's not going to give 100% reads on everybody. And the people he is scumreading are the people in your scumville. I just don't understand this at all.
That is purely a coincidence. I did not take anyone's read on others into account. This is purely my own.
'I could be persuaded to vote Haru.
Obi: Null read atm
Artanis: I said before, I think he's come out with good discussion and so I unvoted him.'
These shows me he is pretty null on them.
'But no, seriously, your contribution level is still zero.'
This shows me that he is waiting for pooft to produce content.
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On August 05 2014 23:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1) Townie looking: People posting looking townie because they're doing townie things like scumhunting and trying to solve the game.
2) Give some keywords at least to find it quicker. I have no idea what you mean.
3) You think anyone who doesn't promise content won't produce content? Are you like, being serious? I'm proving you wrong right now for one. Most people deliver content without promising it.
The difference is:
Person A promised content:
if delivered, will be tbd.
If not delivered, lying. Will probably be scumread.
Person B did not promise content.
If delivered/not delivered, no impact on scumread on him.
You can prove me wrong, but can you prove that pooft/obi will?
However, I can prove that wos/vivax must produce content in d1 or they will be scumread.
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On August 05 2014 08:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone mentioned that WoS' entry looks forced/forged. I agree that it looks like he thought about it before posting but it feels like normal WoS to me, though I haven't played a scumgame with him it wouldn't surprise me if it came from town.
Firstly, for someone who used meta reads on others early on, why do you leave a blank for scumreading wos? It is almost like you decided to not research into wos when earlier on, you mentioned that you did a ton of meta research.
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On August 05 2014 08:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 05 2014 08:15 HaruRH wrote:On August 05 2014 08:09 Holyflare wrote:Someone read this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=HaruRHSave me from the tunnel plz because in the town games that I've read from haru when he scum hunts it includes quotes and posts and reasons and questions and he tries to find things, all I've seen from him now is generic lists and surface reading all over again and he just echos a lot of things already said Dude wtf you're still twisting my words I already said posting with quotes is paramount to suicide on mobile. Also, I did not spend 25 minutes finding those stuff. I spent less than 3, but the effort of trying to copy and paste the quote using mobile is like trying to swallow a sword Continue riding in the haru tunnel. Many had done so and collapsed in it. Known victims: rainbows, glowingbear This post looks towny btw Reminds me of legit pissed wave but then again I am turrible with newbie comparisons or at least people new to me THE HARU READ IS COMING #yolopromises I actually kind of agree with this, meh.
Secondly, why are you attempting to scumread me for posting list posts when you already knew I was going to do so? I don't back off promises.
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On August 05 2014 21:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 21:35 kushm4sta wrote:
what does that excuse even mean, artanis? You suddenly got retarded? You don't have time? You aren't motivated? I suddenly got retarded seems to be accurate. The lack of motivation follows from said realization. My opinions pretty much follow popular opinion other than on myself. Vivax' interaction with me felt weird, just answering me when I asked a question and when I returned to the thread he just mentioned how I come back when summoned. I have no idea what his read on me is which is strange when I'm one of the biggest cases in the game. Poof's return to the thread and his reads make no sense to me. I also have no idea how he thinks of me and have no idea how he hasn't commented on that.
Third, you explicitly mentioned how your opinions (at that time) followed popular opinion. Is that not something you considered when you raised the point that I was sheeping eden for no reason?
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On August 05 2014 08:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 03:32 kushm4sta wrote:On August 05 2014 00:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
That's a pretty bad list kush. how do you know I'm on it for one, and I have minor townreads on the other two. Haru, you've mentioned you favour Obi the most for a lynch today. Why have you not been pushing him or trying to interact with him? He's here and he's your biggest scumread yet you're not doing anything. Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 07:30 Eden1892 wrote:
poofter town lean for posting relaxed and carefree like a townie
minor town lean tho he needs to actually do something or else he'll be on the radar by day's end
gobble i'd have to go look up specifics to give a coherent explanation but i remember his posts having a lot of clarity of direction to them. he seemed like he was playing open and like he wasn't holding anything back. just looks townie to me I don't think that's a good tell for poof. I've seen him post in cell as scum and he was very carefree there too. I'm not sure what really sets him out as mafia.
Your meta read on poofter is the weirdest thing ever. You meta read as null if he was carefree, but town if he spammed town today. How are these 2 mutually exclusive such that a non-carefree pooft would spam town over a carefree pooft, who wouldn't and thus fall into his supposed mafia meta, which you alteady said you don't know what sets him out as mafia?
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On August 05 2014 09:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If Poof doesn't post that he's town at least 100 times today we should lynch him.
Relevant quote
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Amyway I got 10 minutes to answer any questions before I head off for bed. Ama.
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On August 05 2014 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
I just think Haru's read on gobble is totally disingenuous. gobbledy is the opposite of waffly in almost his whole filter and Haru picks out one post where he says he's null on someone and retracts a scumread?
Outside of this post he confidently declares Artanis mafia, same with Poofter, makes a case on Haru. gobbledy isn't the least bit indecisive and waffly. I don't understand the misrepresentation.
I did mention that I focused on the part in between his scumread on artanis (page 1) and his scumread on me (page 2).
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On August 06 2014 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 00:15 HaruRH wrote:
Amyway I got 10 minutes to answer any questions before I head off for bed. Ama. Did you ever give an answer as to why gobble is scum for having the same scumreads you have? This is such a glaring contradiction.
Yes I did.
I mentioned it was a coincidence for us to have the same scumreads.
The method of getting these scumread was what I am critical about. The period of 'mehness' in between was also what I noticed the mostm
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On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:A case on HaruRH:Near the beginning, I had HaruRH as scum because of his terrible logic about mafia acting more towny as usual. Then HF said that I shouldn't be so quick to scumread someone just because I disagree with them and I accepted it. The logic was terrible but it looked like he was trying to make a legit point at least. Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 19:04 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 08:18 Eden1892 wrote:
I propose the following rule: If a majority of the members of the /towncircle agree to policy lynch someone, all members of the /towncircle must follow through on the policy lynch until the person who initially proposed it unvotes the target. ##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. A while later, he posts this gem. Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 07:48 HaruRH wrote:On August 05 2014 07:10 Eden1892 wrote:
aite here's where i am
not killing ever: Eden1892
not killing today: marvellosity, Holyflare, kushm4sta, gobbledydook
don't want to kill today, but would: Tehpoofter, Vivax, HaruRH
indifferent to killing today: goodkarma, WaveofShadow, Artanis, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi
actively want to kill today:
the blankness in the last category is bothering me and probably why i feel scatterbrained atm, i made this list for my benefit and yours, let's work something out
there's five people in the "indifferent" category, someone help me pick one Ill do it for you Goodkarma: came out early with tons of aggression, never relented and disappeared conveniently.
Wos: bad start with stiff post, continued posting awkwardly that seemed rehearsed.
Artanis: using meta reads as a basis of his reads (I really dont agree with doing this).
Justanothertownie: I don't really feel much from him except that I don't agree with his scumreads at all.
Obiwan: being useless In this game much? I don't see him voting anything meaningful, or doing any moves that included thinking.
Overall, obi> wos> gk> artanis> jat in terms of who to lynch. Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote:
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Scumville
Gobble
I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either.
Pooft
Throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation. Wolf.
Obiwan
Literally not committing to any scumreads. All his 'scumreads' are either wishy washy or they are just a throwaway read.
Artanis
Similar to gobble. This may be omgus but if you take away his 'haru scumread', he have an unreadable filter with nothing except 'this guy town' 'this post scum' etc. Also, no promised reads so I won't get to see him post actual content outside of his (desperate) read on me.
Yep, not doing crap with reads, wishy washy and inconclusive, no promises given, throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation, not committing to any scumreads...guess who that is. I know, it's the person flinging shit at seven people aka HaruRH.
I also realised that the points artanis brought out to defend himself can easily be used to defend me against gobble's scumread on me.
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On August 06 2014 00:21 marvellosity wrote:
also what was wrong with the method??
Didn't you notice his play is exactly like artanis in the middle?
He was waiting for popular opinion before changing his reads accordingly, while probing about what this popular opinion would do against other's opinion on the same matter.
I'm also glad that my list post brought about 6 pages worth of discussion. More stuff to filterdive.
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On August 06 2014 00:26 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote:
He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. This is what I dislike the most. You are calling him scum for scumreading your scumreads. Scumreadception.
I dont like how he hopped from artanis to pooft the moment he saw stuff from artanis. Doesn't feel like a pressure vote either. More like moving away from the responsibility of actually having to converse with his own scumread.
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On August 06 2014 00:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 00:26 justanothertownie wrote:On August 05 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote:
He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. This is what I dislike the most. You are calling him scum for scumreading your scumreads. Scumreadception. but it's the method, don't you see? No? Me neither.
'Yea artanis is scum'
'No artanis gave stuff, so he isnt scum anymore. Its.... poofter'.
I dont like this transition.
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On August 06 2014 00:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 00:27 HaruRH wrote:On August 06 2014 00:26 justanothertownie wrote:On August 05 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote:
He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. This is what I dislike the most. You are calling him scum for scumreading your scumreads. Scumreadception. I dont like how he hopped from artanis to pooft the moment he saw stuff from artanis. Doesn't feel like a pressure vote either. More like moving away from the responsibility of actually having to converse with his own scumread. But it's precisely what you're advocating - if someone produces content then that's good, if they don;t produce concent then you are going to scumread them so it makes perfect sense when artanis produces content that gobbledy would think to unvote him, given his case on him to begin with was that he had a 3 page filter with no content........ ............ ................................................ nothing you say makes any sense at all, ever.
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I'm blind. I did not see that until you pointed it out.
..........................
Buuuuuut my point on artanis still stands. He have weird reads.
'Reason no.100 why haru dont do list posts early on because he usually make these lame ass mistakes that he only find out later or until someone shows it to him explicitly'
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But still, the transition was weird. I wouldnt just write off pooft as town when he gives something of content right away. I would want to probe in and find out more.
It is logical that gobble townread artanis, I admit. But the speed of it doesn't click.
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On August 06 2014 00:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 00:33 HaruRH wrote:On August 06 2014 00:30 marvellosity wrote:On August 06 2014 00:27 HaruRH wrote:On August 06 2014 00:26 justanothertownie wrote:On August 05 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote:
He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. This is what I dislike the most. You are calling him scum for scumreading your scumreads. Scumreadception. I dont like how he hopped from artanis to pooft the moment he saw stuff from artanis. Doesn't feel like a pressure vote either. More like moving away from the responsibility of actually having to converse with his own scumread. But it's precisely what you're advocating - if someone produces content then that's good, if they don;t produce concent then you are going to scumread them so it makes perfect sense when artanis produces content that gobbledy would think to unvote him, given his case on him to begin with was that he had a 3 page filter with no content........ ............ ................................................ nothing you say makes any sense at all, ever. ............... I'm blind. I did not see that until you pointed it out. .......................... Buuuuuut my point on artanis still stands. He have weird reads. 'Reason no.100 why haru dont do list posts early on because he usually make these lame ass mistakes that he only find out later or until someone shows it to him explicitly' So are you retracting on gobbledy? Would you rather kill Scumtanis?
Im retracting halfly on gobble due to how I still have beef with his eagerness to switch, like what vivax pointed out.
Scumtanis still have weird meta reads that he isn't explaining. Mostly telling me why he thought that way, not telling me what was the purpose.
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On August 06 2014 00:37 Vivax wrote:
Haru u repeatin my posts, bad boy?
... I didnt see your posts lol. I was busy replying to marv.
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On August 06 2014 00:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 00:37 HaruRH wrote:On August 06 2014 00:34 marvellosity wrote:On August 06 2014 00:33 HaruRH wrote:On August 06 2014 00:30 marvellosity wrote:On August 06 2014 00:27 HaruRH wrote:On August 06 2014 00:26 justanothertownie wrote:On August 05 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote:
He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. This is what I dislike the most. You are calling him scum for scumreading your scumreads. Scumreadception. I dont like how he hopped from artanis to pooft the moment he saw stuff from artanis. Doesn't feel like a pressure vote either. More like moving away from the responsibility of actually having to converse with his own scumread. But it's precisely what you're advocating - if someone produces content then that's good, if they don;t produce concent then you are going to scumread them so it makes perfect sense when artanis produces content that gobbledy would think to unvote him, given his case on him to begin with was that he had a 3 page filter with no content........ ............ ................................................ nothing you say makes any sense at all, ever. ............... I'm blind. I did not see that until you pointed it out. .......................... Buuuuuut my point on artanis still stands. He have weird reads. 'Reason no.100 why haru dont do list posts early on because he usually make these lame ass mistakes that he only find out later or until someone shows it to him explicitly' So are you retracting on gobbledy? Would you rather kill Scumtanis? Im retracting halfly on gobble due to how I still have beef with his eagerness to switch, like what vivax pointed out. Scumtanis still have weird meta reads that he isn't explaining. Mostly telling me why he thought that way, not telling me what was the purpose. Except at first he wasn't happy with Artanis' posts: Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:12 gobbledydook wrote:
Ten one-line useless posts from Artanis later...
nope, not convinced
only later was he happier Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 13:12 gobbledydook wrote:
Artanis finally showed up and did something useful. Poofter hasn't. All he really has done is scumread on the timing of marv's vote and then say he can't read him anyway. It's such a useless, trivial point that occupies lots of space.
##vote: tehpoofter
I can almost hear gobble whispering 'please post something useful artanis please post please please'
'YES YOU DID IT YOURE TOWN'
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