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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:03 GMT
#4097
I don't think I would have caught that scumteam tbh. Good job guys.

Rough game.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:05 GMT
#4107
Yeah in retrospect it's pretty obvious we shouldn't have moved off of Haru.

Man that was gonna be a hard LYLO to crack. Should have lynched Haru but again, can't see any way Obi or goodkarma or even gobble maybe doesn't get lynched the next day with both JAT and Wave being scum
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:09 GMT
#4122
God that's disappointing. Ah well.

I haven't opened obs yet, this should be fun.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:12 GMT
#4129
Lmao at one point when someone said "I don't think Eden is able to play scum this well" I had to hold my tongue and say "I totally could!!"

Looks like the obs qt was saying it for me almost.

...probably a really bad thing if everyone is calling your play "potential best scum play of the year" and you're town, huh.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:13 GMT
#4134
On August 13 2014 08:12 gobbledydook wrote:
To be fair, if every town was holyflare/eden/kush/marv level active town mafia wouldn't have a chance in hell.

Disagree

I was about 200 posts too active this game

~ Never Again My Friends ~
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:15 GMT
#4139
God fuck I knew something was off about Wave's paranoia. And that d1 post, shiiit

But I never did anything about it and tbh I thought I was looking kinda scummy and was worried by LYLO that I would get in trouble cause I talked a bunch but was a lazy shit and didn't push anything

Lesson learned

Marv can I still get into power ranks
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:16 GMT
#4145
On August 13 2014 08:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 08:14 Holyflare wrote:
nk'ing me was the best call

Of course it was.
NKing marv when we did was too because he would have caught on.
I have no idea who we would have NKed tonight though

Would have to be me right? gobble still ML bait possibly and I would fit the narrative right for gk/haru/obi team
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:18 GMT
#4149
On August 13 2014 08:15 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 08:13 Eden1892 wrote:
On August 13 2014 08:12 gobbledydook wrote:
To be fair, if every town was holyflare/eden/kush/marv level active town mafia wouldn't have a chance in hell.

Disagree

I was about 200 posts too active this game

~ Never Again My Friends ~


I gotta admit I'm not experienced enough to being able to townread obi and goodkarma over jat and wos. Especially wos.
I think I should have given more weight to the 'fell asleep reading 20 pages of jat' and my criticism of his vote association post. It didn't help that I never saw obi or goodkarma post anything of real substance. Does cavalinho always shitpost like he does here?

I saw a similar game where gk had similar complaints as town and it briefly gave me pause, but I will never lynch/scumread people who I think are trying to solve the game at LYLO. It failed this time but I think I win far more situations than I lose with that heuristic over the long run
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:21 GMT
#4155
On August 13 2014 08:19 HaruRH wrote:
Also, I felt a bit sad that eden tried to use another game to attack me.
I am also sorry for trying to pocket eden whole game.

Sorry, I shouldn't have done that.

Ughughugh I was on to the latter thing though!! Gah and then I let it go to get after Cav because... ????? I'm not actually sure I felt like the one thing that couldn't be the case was Cav town / Haru scum and of course that's what it was.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:23 GMT
#4158
On August 13 2014 08:22 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 08:21 Damdred wrote:
This was great to read honestly scum played great. JAT and wave good job and somehow haru got everyone to switch to obi scum team op

I know which buttons of eden to press.

Haha. Never again. No johns here because you totally played me until the end (and then again at the end I guess huh, switching to Obi and all) but I think after our blowout last game and seeing you /in here I was looking to be more charitable than I normally would in interpreting things to avoid a repeat.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:24 GMT
#4161
Also sorry to hear about irl troubles Arty Good luck with everything!
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:25 GMT
#4163
You're in one now ya ding-dong! And I guarantee it won't happen again
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:30 GMT
#4170
Next time Haru!

Man I'm not even kidding, at the apex of my brief mad at Wave earlier I thought to myself "what if he's talking about how easy this is because he and Haru are scumbuddies and he thinks he can save his partner and avoid a bus?"

and my next thought was "no Simon that's fucking retarded what are you even thinking stop tinfoiling"
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:32 GMT
#4173
On August 13 2014 08:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 08:30 Eden1892 wrote:
Next time Haru!

Man I'm not even kidding, at the apex of my brief mad at Wave earlier I thought to myself "what if he's talking about how easy this is because he and Haru are scumbuddies and he thinks he can save his partner and avoid a bus?"

and my next thought was "no Simon that's fucking retarded what are you even thinking stop tinfoiling"

Impossible. He bussed Haru in the beginning.

[image loading]

Nice.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 12 2014 23:42 GMT
#4178
On August 13 2014 08:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 08:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
LOL I was even telling you guys that scum do this
I actually dropped so many hints I cant remember where they all are

Well, you told marv you would keep not fear killing him. You told someone that we don't need help deciding the nightkill....
:D

Reading the obs warms my soul.

Told me that. I remember double-taking and then going "nah whatever"

~ The Signs Were There, And We Ignored Them ~
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 13 2014 00:21 GMT
#4181
Final count, 696 posts.

Approximately 300 too many...
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 13 2014 14:34 GMT
#4187
So what did I need to do differently/better this game? I have my list but I want external feedback. My list:
• Post less. I'm always gonna be an active poster but there wasn't any need or use for that many. Diminishing returns are real, I lost/forgot/changed my mind a bunch without explaining my reasoning and it's because I posted too much and overloaded myself. Literally gave myself long-term memory loss this game lmao
• Push more. It's my town game bottom line. This stems from the previous point; I couldn't keep up with my own thought process and that made it impossible to push my reads. I sheeped way too much because I couldn't keep up with myself.
• Trust instincts more! They mostly failed me at LYLO but I feel like if I'd listened to myself more before then and pushed then we wouldn't be in LYLO.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 13 2014 18:16 GMT
#4196
@Hf I think if I push other leads more I escape the tunnel on you. "Push more" means "push more leads" not "push my one lead harder" lol. I agree that I pushed you way too hard and pushing you further would be worse.

@everyone: Is "kill people who don't try at LYLO" a good heuristic? Because I feel like rationally it is but empirically it may not be. I spelled out the logic in the thread and I think it holds, but obviously it was a flop this game and idk if it's a flop more generally
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 13 2014 19:48 GMT
#4199
i'm an economist, don't need to tell me twice

that's why i'm curious about the empirical side of it, of course the implicit assumption in "rationally it holds" when describing human behavior is "assuming rational behavior from humans" and that's always an assumption one makes not because it's always true but because you figure it's true more often than not.

the empirical side of the question would allow one to determine whether or not the rational-behavior assumption is a sufficiently accurate one to make
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 13 2014 20:41 GMT
#4211
On August 14 2014 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 05:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 14 2014 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
People who do not play in LYLO should be mafia and therefore should be lynched.
When you have absolutely no room for error everyone should do their best to help their team. If they do not play - they are not helping town.

So yes Eden, your heuristic is imo correct and should be applied to LYLO situations because even if you sometimes go wrong knowing that not playing gets you lynched (really? lol ^^) maybe makes people want to try a bit more to not lose the game.

VERY wishful thinking Rayn. you know hwo games here go a lot of the time.

Speaking specifically about this game, many people were doing their best to help their team. Specifically, my team tried really hard. We had to be around and helping out to ensure one of our selected lynches would go through. Not playing is not a good heuristic imo.

Then you played well in LYLO and townies didn't. It does not change the fact they should have not NOT been lynched if they didn't play right?

Like i will never feel sorry for anyone who gets lynched because they did not play. They deserve it.

EDIT: I mean, i don't even know what happened in this game, but i assumed someone got lynched in LYLO because they didn't put effort to the game.

I mean tbh it's probably unfair to Cav to say he didn't put effort into LYLO but the heuristic was totally off lol. Like if you had just done POE based on "how hard do they appear to be trying to solve the game at LYLO" you would have 2 mafia in your town pile. RIP me for basically doing that...
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
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