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The stronger argument for my innocence isn't merely that the effort:payout doesn't make sense, it's the opportunity cost on top of it. As scum I could have not changed anything up and been similarly unquestioned without attracting Holyflare's ire. Considering that's (apparently?) the only reason that you're starting to mull it over now, I would submit that the strategy is plainly suboptimal. You're right that I'm not "confirmed" town but I really do think if I were in your shoes I would be hardcore townreading me and riding that to the end at this point.
And considering Holyflare didn't scumread me at all before the night phase I think we can at least divine that his scumread on me comes from something I did during the night. Which is... push on him, mainly. Maybe that's it? It's my main theory at the moment, although I have a fun pet theory I just came up with:
This is also an incredibly convenient explanation for me but it's something not beyond Holyflare's capacity and supported by his actions at the end when he finally did decide to post: What if Holyflare's "scumread" on me is fake? Notice how he spent the entirety of EoN arguing with Haru and trying to make some final arguments for him being scum, then he says "kill Haru tomorrow 100%." and then throws in a last-second "kill Eden  ". The context makes it pretty clear that Haru was his primary scumread, not me. Holyflare has also been intermittently pushing Haru the whole game, and until that post (from what I recall) never outright scumread me. He wanted to on a couple of earlier occasions where I was on his case with kush, but he never did, the way he addressed me was clearly as though I were a townie. I'll go dig up the post(s) that gave me that impression if needed (but not right now leaving for trivia).
Might end up x-posting but what are your thoughts on goodkarma ignoring Holyflare's actual final wishes to vote for me? And the case he made in trying to double down on it?
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goodkarma returns, ignores all questions related to not following HF's wishes as he said.
Pretty much positive we caught two mafia right here.
God bless America gogo trivia yay! be back in a few hrs
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I'll switch to Haru over goodkarma.
##UNVOTE: goodkarma
##VOTE: HaruRH
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On August 12 2014 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
I"M ON A FUCKING RAMPAGE
COME AT ME SCUMMERS
Literally my sentiment right now
You asked about JAT - dude proposed Haru/gk/Obi scum team before it was cool. Simulposted with me a couple times. I'm ride or die with him right now
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On August 12 2014 12:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:22 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
I"M ON A FUCKING RAMPAGE
COME AT ME SCUMMERS Literally my sentiment right now You asked about JAT - dude proposed Haru/gk/Obi scum team before it was cool. Simulposted with me a couple times. I'm ride or die with him right now Eden what have you accomplished in this game? I'm curious.
Very little
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On August 12 2014 12:26 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:19 Eden1892 wrote:
I'll switch to Haru over goodkarma.
##UNVOTE: goodkarma
##VOTE: HaruRH That was certainly fast.
Not really, my theory that you two are both scum looks hella good right now
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On August 12 2014 12:33 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:31 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 12:26 goodkarma wrote:On August 12 2014 12:19 Eden1892 wrote:
I'll switch to Haru over goodkarma.
##UNVOTE: goodkarma
##VOTE: HaruRH That was certainly fast. Not really, my theory that you two are both scum looks hella good right now What does GK gain as scum by acting in this way Eden?
Stalling
Throwing town for a loop
Drawing townies into arguments that go nowhere (and can't go anywhere)
?Possibly? deliberate appeal to self-meta
Better than the alternative, short of overly-indulgent schadenfreude (which is NOT who I pegged goodkarma for), a townie gains nothing out of his approach
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GOBBLE MY WEBDIP BROTHER STEPPIN UP
Omg this is really happening!! We gon win it! Clutch!!!
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I don't care what your answer is dude rofl
You want to convince me otherwise you could try figuring out who the mafia are
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As you eloquently put it, gk, WRONG. I could've been better but I'm not useless and nowhere near Haru level. Not even Haru would agree with you.
This dude is just being a belligerent dick at this point, further engagement is not worth the time.
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On August 12 2014 12:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
I really don't feel like by lynching him we're lynching scum, but I don't want to let this go.
Maybe I let it go for now and we see later. I could be wrong. I want a weigh in from your butt-buddy JAT and Cav as well.
Like I want GK out of my game now, and I'd rather it be because he is scum.
No. Step back and reassess. Don't give into the bullshit.
Make sure you're voting scum, not mad.
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He says "Haru or Eden" because of Holyflare but then parks his vote (a) not on the guy Holyflare said to kill today and (b) the guy who doesn't have any other votes and (c) the guy who isn't going to let himself get mislynched no matter what.
Pretty scummy.
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Tbh whether the sheeping is right or not is fairly immaterial to me. Sheeping thrice in lieu of actually trying is shady regardless of the results. That all of them were wrong is just icing on the scum soufflé
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Game is suddenly not hard, tybg
Cannot imagine JAT just deciding to scum read 2/3 of his team before LYLO when he did
LYLO policy lynch people who aren't trying so OP
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On August 12 2014 13:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also, I reread and I discovered that you were ready to pounce on Holyflare for absolutely no goddamn reason earlier on.
Why were you so convinced to jump on a gut read? I don't get it.
Whatcha gonna do about it?
@Wave JAT had a big post near EoN where he implicated everyone who's not trying to solve the game right now. That said as I type it I can totally see JAT busing now. I'll link post and explain later
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What are my current scum reads Cav? What's my rationale and how did I make them up?
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On August 12 2014 14:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't even care about all of your scumreads. I care about your scumread on me.
You came to the decision that I would be your ride-or-die townread if I carried out my reread, but then immediately turned around and read me as scum because I wasn't trying hard enough.
You don't have any actual reasons for the things that you're saying. The progression of your reads don't actually make sense, especially when you turn around and call your top town mafia for the exact reasons you were planning to read them as town.
I told you that in the hopes you would actually give a coherent set of reads that show you have a rational progressive view of the game state. I've already pretty clearly demonstrated since the Poofter flip where my mind is at, and while I obviously wasn't correct on all of it, you can't sensibly argue that I haven't been open in my thought process and demonstrated clarity of argument and direction.
And hold the phone, bullshitter, you said this:
On August 12 2014 14:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you just made up reasons for your scumreads.
##vote eden
You can't backtrack from this shit. You said I made up reasons for my scumreads. You are pointedly not demonstrating how any of them are made up.
I've repeatedly asked you your view on goodkarma. You consistently ignore my questions.
You're completely full of shit and your team is colossally fucking up LYLO
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No, you didn't. I never said I scumread you for the reasons I was planning to townread you. Cite sources because I don't understand wtf you're talking about.
Also you said reads, as in plural. How can you look at all my reads and say they're made up? Cite it and show it.
Your pointed refusal to give a read on goodkarma has everything to do with this game right now because it's so fucking obvious that goodkarma slipped with his "plan" and the fact that you refuse to say anything about it whatsoever is part-and-parcel scum tactic in a situation like this. You don't want to bus your teammate but you don't have the balls to townread him since he's being scummy so you're dancing around on the fence, refusing to give any answer whatsoever and hoping if you ignore it enough it'll go away.
It won't. What are your reads? You made a big deal about going back and rereading the whole game and throwing out alllll your reads, where's your work? It's LYLO, if by some amazing stroke of terrible luck you're town then you need to get those reads out and start discussing them ASAP because you're fucking wrong about me and we're going to lose if you don't move your vote, so you better start talking in real details with real posts and real quotes so we can sort out whatever your problem is and find scum.
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Yeah I'm completely with you. I need Wave and JAT to check back in and catch everything (especially JAT) and we can figure it out from there. Gotta get on the same page first.
I think I want Haru first to make goodkarma switch like anybody who's really sheeping Holyflare should do. If there's anybody I feel like I could be wrong about it's goodkarma, because there's an appreciable chance that he really is just completely-mailed-it-in town instead of scum (whereas I really don't see any way Haru and Obi are town at this point). I feel like Haru is probably the highest-% play we have since he's the only one that none of the four of us have any reservations about.
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On August 12 2014 15:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 10:20 Eden1892 wrote:Problem is that leaves me with too many options still. goodkarma is one. ObiWanShinobi and HaruRH are two others who fit the bill, they drop in sporadically and then peace out and I don't really see where their picture of the game state is evolving much. Show nested quote +I feel good about JAT and Wave right now, Obi too but a little less so than them. I trust if Obi does what he says then I can probably feel comfy townreading him and ride-or-die from there. Eh, now that I post it I don't feel confident anymore because it feels like a stretch. I'm probably just going to finish my reread and move on.
Busted
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