EPTOn August 12 2014 06:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Martyrs are generally town, though.
Martyrs are generally town, though.
This is not true.
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On August 12 2014 07:02 Eden1892 wrote: Eh I agree with Obi here, just not at non-3p LYLO It is factually incorrect. In this case it is of course especially retarded to do it as town. | ||
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Take a look at some older games. There are games where almost every single mafia martyred. If I remember correctly the original storm mafia (one of the best games I read before I started playing here) is one example. | ||
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On August 12 2014 09:03 Eden1892 wrote: So the fact that goodkarma is voting for me either makes him scum or town throwing the game. Unless he's got a serious case for me being scum there is no excuse for goodkarma to be voting for me. And think about the sequence of posts too, he spends the night demanding that I tell him how I'm going to organize the town then up and votes for me before I get the chance to do so. I'm like one of maybe three people trying to figure out the game state right now. It all boils down to this honestly. I think Eden is town so if gk is town we literally can't win the game if he continues to vote for him. On August 12 2014 10:20 Eden1892 wrote: Everyone who was a significant player in pushing lynches - tbh that's just marv and Holyflare, RIP town this game - is dead now, which means the scumteam was pretty clearly letting the town tear itself apart, like JAT argued earlier. This is pretty significant because we havetwo players alive who were significant lynch targets at some point or another: Haru and gobble. I've been giving gobble a pass for a while because I figured that there's no way the scumteam would let one of their own come under serious fire for that long, that with the absence of strong town direction it would be easy to deflect a lynch elsewhere. But if the mafia also don't have thread presence this argument obviously goes belly-up. This is true. Gobble is less confirmed than it seemed but I think he is still by no means the lynch for today. On August 12 2014 11:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm throwing every single one of my reads in the dumpster and starting over. For all intents and purposes, I don't have an opinion on goodkarma as of right now. I'm going to reread the game and figure out what the fuck is going on. This sounds good in theory but I don't see where you have done that at all. On August 12 2014 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote: If GK doesn't switch his vote at any point today and doesn't listen to reason he essentially forces our hand by making us all vote for him or Eden. Exactly. And I choose to kill gk in this case. On August 12 2014 11:37 goodkarma wrote: You do realize that Eden's pretty tryhard as scum too right? Like that's a super-stupid metric. The guy can make ridiculously long and pointless posts as scum. Can post for pages and pages. Look at his scumgame filter. I'm sheeping HF and all town should too. Especially compelling reason: I'm town so if you don't we're sure to lose. How is this a towny mindset? Even without the ridiculous shitflinging at Eden this post almost proves gk is scum. More comments to come soon. | ||
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On August 12 2014 11:50 WaveofShadow wrote: The bolded is what I assumed he was doing last night and told him to fucking stop, but then why throw it out right before he dies? That is not something you troll town with. Surely you realize that. Yes. HF would never troll us at the last second if he isn't 100% sure that he is not getting shot. This guy likes to win games. On August 12 2014 12:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Who has a good reason to townread Haru right now? I certainly don't. On August 12 2014 12:26 goodkarma wrote: I'm only consolidating on HF candidates. Will only consider Eden and Haru. Since we literally lose if any of our lynches are wrong I suppose it isn't terrible to have two HF-proposed wagons. He was the most competent guy left anyway. lol, does anyone see this shit? TWO WAGONS? AT 4:3 LYLO? Can we lynch this guy already? On August 12 2014 12:36 gobbledydook wrote: People I'm 100% sure town: Gobbledydook People I'm 99% sure town: Eden1892, WaveofShadow People I'm not that sure of: JAT Probably scum: Obi, Haru Scum, lynch this fuck now: goodkarma Liking gobble as town for his reads. They align with my own if you switch me with him. On August 12 2014 12:49 goodkarma wrote: He's been completely useless, but so has Haru... How's that for an answer? How has Eden been completely useless? Did you even read what was posted at night? This is asinine. On August 12 2014 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Policy lynching in this game may have cost us already (ie Vivax) and doing it at LYLO is horrible but the fact that you're taking the fun out of this game for me and many other people I imagine by forcing their hands is truly dishonourable. Vivax was NOT a policy lynch. | ||
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On August 12 2014 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote: So none of the people who voted wrong all three times also sheeped three times? Did JAT have reasons for his votes? GOod ones? Did Cav and HF? Did Haru (he's technically wrong 3 times assuming you're town)? I had good reasons for all my votes. Go look it up if you don't believe me. The only time I really sheeped was day2 when we killed Onegu and I still had different reasons than marvs meta case to kill him. On August 12 2014 13:49 gobbledydook wrote: I fell asleep reading JAT's filter of twenty pages of one liners. Then right near the end I see his Vote Association Post. The thing is I could replace obi with JAT and come to the same conclusion. It could actually be a JAT/gk/haru scumteam. I wouldn't count JAT out yet, I could plausibly see this as a bus attempt. Remember mafia have 3 lylos in a row to lose before they die. If bussing 2 obviously shitty scumbuddies secures the win, I don't see why JAT wouldn't go for it. but first goodkarma dies its obvious. This is good logic. But if I was on the same scumteam as Haru than I would have been bussing all fucking game. On August 12 2014 14:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, I'm pretty sure you just made up reasons for your scumreads. ##vote eden Say what? On August 12 2014 14:57 Eden1892 wrote: Your pointed refusal to give a read on goodkarma has everything to do with this game right now because it's so fucking obvious that goodkarma slipped with his "plan" and the fact that you refuse to say anything about it whatsoever is part-and-parcel scum tactic in a situation like this. You don't want to bus your teammate but you don't have the balls to townread him since he's being scummy so you're dancing around on the fence, refusing to give any answer whatsoever and hoping if you ignore it enough it'll go away. It is really apparent how Obi does not want to talk about gk. He has indeed been refusing to really comment on anything like that since I posted my votecount post. Makes me feel good about this. On August 12 2014 16:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I still think we should kill Jat for posting dumb shit. On August 12 2014 16:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I already told you why I wanted to lynch him during the night sequence. Nothing changed and I still want to kill his ass. Also, this will be the only time I stick around for deadline. Be aware that I'm town and we're going to need to come to a consensus or something. First of all it isn't dumb. Second of all if this is the best you can come up with for a lynch in LYLO you better be fucking scum. On August 12 2014 16:16 Eden1892 wrote: Yo I just realized we're in some serious trouble this game due to time zones + 24hr days. Aside from the obvious shit that everyone needs to post asap, can we all agree to be online an hour before deadline? I'm pretty confident in my scum pile at this point but consolidation could be a really formidable challenge, and I need every one of my townies to fucking be there so we can make SURE we're on the same page. I will definitely be here. | ||
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This leaves us with the scumteam: gk, Haru, Obi. | ||
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On August 13 2014 02:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Really loving the noncommittal stance from haru/jat/cav right now. Just fantastic when we have a lynch in 5h well if harus scum he can not vote all he wants Not having voted =! being noncomittal. | ||
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##Vote: Haru | ||
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On August 13 2014 02:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Not really noncommital. I want to know why people are townreading hat because he really doesn't deserve it. Yes, I do. And that you are just lazily complaining about townread on me is ridiculous. You seem to have no problem voting Haru who is my scumread and who I attacked all game long. | ||
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On August 13 2014 03:02 goodkarma wrote: Okie Eden. I don't think you'd be this tryhard as scum. I especially don't think you'd give me the benefit of the doubt given that I'm probably the easiest townie to set up a mislynch on. Why did you suddenly change your mind about that? | ||
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On August 13 2014 03:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't, because I've stopped caring about this game entirely. Two of my townreads are on the Haru wagon, so it behooves me to vote with them or we lose because I'm not splitting off my vote from the people I think are town. And I'm not "lazily complaining." I've been pressing the stupid bullshit that you've been saying in regards to your vote analysis since night. And while we're on that topic, where's the filter dive you said you were going to do? I told you to do it, you said you were going to do it, and then you posted nothing about doing it and still came to the conclusion that I'm mafia. What gives you the impression I didn't look into your filter? And you have been pressing your godawful stance on defensiveness not being a scumtell but that is literally it. Not only are you wrong, It is also the only reason for you to scumread me. If your scumread in LYLO consists of a not even game relevant opinion you disagree with then you most likely aren't town. | ||
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On August 13 2014 03:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You haven't posted anything at all to indicate that you even give a shit about figuring me out; instead, you just posted some vote analysis that doesn't really make any sense and stuck with it despite not being interested in finding out why I voted the way I voted. And that doesn't really cover the fact that someone already pressed me on this much, much earlier in the game. Besides, what's wrong with going after someone for scumreading someone for bad reasons? Because the shit coming out of your mouth is borderline retarded and I don't think that you're a retard, so the only conclusion is that you're being wrong intentionally. Ok, how about you look at my filter from Order mafia. Look at the first thing I found there. Robik being defensive -> it is too bad I dropped this later because Robik was fucking mafia and basically noone scumread him for the rest of the game. Who is borderline retarded now? And to the bolded: I did try to figure out the game, I commented on relevant things and towny people are currently sheeping the reads I made in the post you don't think makes sense. Even you are voting for my scumread. You on the other hand did not try to figure anything out. | ||
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On August 13 2014 03:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Defensiveness is not a scumtell times infinity and I am going to press this forever until you stop being an idiot about it. Robik can be defensive as either alignment and it ultimately tells you nothing, and you never would have gotten him lynched for being defensive because that's an awful case and it isn't going to convince anyone with half a brain. And I don't get why you say I'm not trying to figure things out: I'm pressing you for why you didn't read my filter, because you still haven't done anything to indicate that you've done so. All you've done is harp about "defensiveness" and stuff that doesn't fucking matter. The only person harping about that is you. I commented on so many different things and made my opinions known. You basically said nothing all day besides "waaaah defensiveness not a scumtell jat so scum for saying it". | ||
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". The context makes it pretty clear that Haru was his primary scumread, not me. Holyflare has also been intermittently pushing Haru the whole game, and until that post (from what I recall) never outright scumread me. He wanted to on a couple of earlier occasions where I was on his case with kush, but he never did, the way he addressed me was clearly as though I were a townie. I'll go dig up the post(s) that gave me that impression if needed (but not right now leaving for trivia).
