Phone post. Actually I hadn't used gds meta at all. I didn't like his use of palmars heuristic because I think that would be easy for Scum to do. I'm not familiar with his town game so it's hard for me to get a meta feel for him. Gonna promote him to null.

Artanis ..I think his participation took place at a time even there wasn't much to say. Gonna take a wait and see attitude about that one.

Jat ..really didn't like his one content post. Very lazy usage of meta is not what I'm used to seeing from jat.

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 13:22 GMT

#472

artanis you just roll over to marv like that? pretty pathetic scumplay if you ask me.

##vote artanis

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 13:29 GMT

#473

On August 04 2014 21:21 gobbledydook wrote:

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went through haru's filter, not impressed.

First there's quite a lot of defending wave from meta-scumread, where his argument is very awkward. Then there's his weird scumread on hf/gk/eden, which I still don't think makes sense, why would you suggest they are acting pro-town therefore are scum? By his logic we should lynch all the most vocal towns first to catch the 'hidden mafia', oh wait, nope they were all town, mafia is laughing to the bank. So what he has said is awkward, misleading, and hasn't actually said much of note. He's on my scumreads right now, but behind Artanis.

First, let me say, your handle is extremely frustrating for me. Why gobbledydook instead of gobbleydgook? What is the significance of changing the g to a d? It's kind of driving me insane.
Anyway, this is the post you are calling a "scumread on hf/gk/eden":

On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote:
I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches.

I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co.

Do you see the logic behind his thinking, even though you might disagree with it?

Why are you treating it like it's such a big deal? It's not a scumread on any of those players, but rather a comment on the game setup/mafia theory.

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 13:33 GMT

#475

On August 04 2014 22:31 Holyflare wrote:
and who comments on game setup/mafia theory repeatedly with no other proper reads kush?

as early in the game as haru did it? i would say it's quite normal and well within the range of townie behavior

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 13:35 GMT

#476

also hf, did he really comment on it repeatedly? It seems like he made that one comment, then people engaged him on the subject, so naturally he had to talk about it more.

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 13:38 GMT

#480

On August 04 2014 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Kush I don't understand, I've said that if marv allows me to get lynched he's scum because he knows how to read me and has enough thread pull to prevent such a thing. I agree with him that I haven't tried so I can't fault him for that. I don't understand your issue.

Why are you making this circular argument about marv's ability to read you? Do something that looks townie and I will townread you. Right now it looks like you are trying to opt out of that, so I'm scumreading you.

On August 04 2014 20:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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Nah, I wondered out loud if I needed to try. I'm gonna go with socializing my way to a townread again.

plus other shit

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 13:47 GMT

#486

On August 04 2014 22:46 marvellosity wrote:
in any game mafia want to look really townie. the point of the game is that it's hard and therefore they get caught.

Mafia don't set out to play like mafia, that would be pretty dumb.

remember liquid city

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 13:53 GMT

#488

here is what haru is saying though
1. there's no possibility of a medic, unlike most games, so scum will not be afraid to kill the best townie. That means good townies will maybe be careful about not becoming the obvious nk. They have to "hide" in a sense.
2. Town has so many possible mislynches that if scum act passively, they will just lose. People will townread all the active towns and the passive people will die off 1 by 1.

So those are the reasons I remember that haru gave why it's more likely for scum to be an active player

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 14:01 GMT

#491

On August 04 2014 22:55 marvellosity wrote:
that's stupid though.

any townie not playing as townie as possible in order to prevent themselves being a NK is both obnoxiously stupid and a complete asswipe.

but my point is his ideas make sense and they don't warrant a scumread. I don't see how it's relevant if you agree.

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 14:05 GMT

#493

Artanis, are you reads always steeped in such shallow meta?

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 14:10 GMT

#495

On August 04 2014 23:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't like Obi. In Storm Mafia 2 he showed a lot of self-awareness, commented a lot about things outside of the game like which account he uses, mentioned he's blending, etc, whereas in Titanic and Noir he opened a lot more aggressively, not putting any attention towards himself, his mafia play, other accounts or anything like that. Straight to business, albeit in a joking fashion in a very different flavour than he's done this game.

So if i understand you right,
mafia=self awareness, talking about stuff outside the game
town=aggressive, straight to business.

So why don't you like him this game?? That's the part that didn't connect t ome.
What about his "favour" points scummy?

Meta counterpoint: if you look at Titanic (I think) he had a very low energy early game similar to this one.

ok im talking too much i will talk less

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 14:20 GMT

#497

He made the one post:

On August 04 2014 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fuck I got town again.

and the 5 next posts are him responding to people talking to him about that post. All those posts were in quick succession. He went afk and when he got back his posts were straight to business.

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 15:12 GMT

#523

On August 05 2014 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:

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Because he scumread me for using meta without any reasoning and when I questioned him about it he just avoided me. Also it's kushs thing to do as mafia to make some half ass case on me day1. TL Noir is one example and I am pretty sure there was another game he did that.

another shitty out of your ass meta. nice

kushm4sta

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August 04 2014 15:21 GMT

#542

On August 04 2014 21:09 justanothertownie wrote:

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What are you used to see from me then? Meanwhile I will tell you what I am used to see from you when you are mafia: weak cases on me.
I don't think my meta usage is weak at all. Feel free to disagree but if you attack my reasoning you will have to explain whats wrong with it.

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I agree.

Im not avoiding you. At that time I was doing stuff and I had a lot of other shit to talk about.
Why is your use of meta weak? Let me imitate it.
I remember so and so acting like this in that game, and he is/isn't acting like that in this game, so therefore I town/scum read him
That's the template for shit meta.

What am i used to from you?
Why would I tell you how to act town? Ok I will because I'm nice and I already know you're scum.
More engagement in this game, less bringing up comparisons to previous games