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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 00:35 GMT
#766
A couple people in my absence mentioned it was odd to them I wasn't present. Well, I'm back. I know this is hard to believe, but I'm not available to play this game with you every moment of the day.

I don't like lynching Haru anymore. And given Obi has recently posted semi-respectable non-troll posts, I'd like to give him a chance.

WoS/Poofter still look like good lynches. Both have promised posts soon. Feel free to ask me anything, but I'm waiting on these too to deliver said promised posts.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 00:36 GMT
#767
EBWOP: two, not too
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 01:04 GMT
#769
On August 05 2014 09:49 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 09:35 goodkarma wrote:
A couple people in my absence mentioned it was odd to them I wasn't present. Well, I'm back. I know this is hard to believe, but I'm not available to play this game with you every moment of the day.

I don't like lynching Haru anymore. And given Obi has recently posted semi-respectable non-troll posts, I'd like to give him a chance.

WoS/Poofter still look like good lynches. Both have promised posts soon. Feel free to ask me anything, but I'm waiting on these too to deliver said promised posts.


Yeah gimme a rundown of what changed your mind and how you feel about HF being so stubborn on Haru.
I found his post I quoted to be quite the stretch since I was able to find a couple of reads in Haru's filter. I admit not much but it still didn't warrant HF saying that the guy hasn't been doing anything.


The way Haru's recently reacted to HF's tunnel has looked towny to me. And the fact that Haru super-easily could have made up some kind of scumread and attracted way way less attention as scum.

HF being stubborn on Haru isn't really alignment indicative to me. Haru has done super-scummy stuff, and it makes sense to me how he'd still be on him. That being said we've had similar thoughts/reads for most of the game so the guy's probably town.

As for Haru not doing anything, he really hasn't said "I suspect person X as scum." He's been using some weird kind of heuristic crutch that doesn't really make any logical sense. His posts have been substanceless, and I can't understand why you'd think otherwise. The most substanceful post he's made ironically is the post ordering Eden's list, which isn't even his own...
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 01:10 GMT
#770
But enough about me let's talk about you.

Who do you prefer to lynch today and why?
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 01:32 GMT
#775
On August 05 2014 10:19 Vivax wrote:
Not sure yet, waiting for Wave to deliver something more substantial at the moment.

As for you, I have a hard time telling if you're just saying stuff to keep your story straight, you seem to try kinda hard to stay very consistent in your play but I'm not sure if it's me being tunneled or a fact.

Hence it would be helpful for me to know how you want to read Haru if you feel that he's super scummy on one and townie on the other hand. How do you get to the conclusion that his reaction was townie, for example?


I actually can't recall a game where you haven't thought I'm scum. You must really really hate my playstyle...

I've told you exactly how I've read Haru. How a person comes off towny is a semi-subjective thing. Generally when a person curses and screams at their tunneler in the way Haru did it's a town response. It's not a foolproof read by any means, but reads of this ilk have historically served me well. If you're a skeptic, just go with my latter reason (he easily could have just made a scumread up). It's totally valid here. Haru isn't a good lynch today.

And saying you don't know who you want to lynch when the thread's already ~40 pages, and the day's half gone is pretty weak. If you were forced to choose now, who would it be? This question really isn't that hard.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 02:19 GMT
#790
On August 05 2014 10:46 Vivax wrote:
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On August 05 2014 10:32 goodkarma wrote:
On August 05 2014 10:19 Vivax wrote:
Not sure yet, waiting for Wave to deliver something more substantial at the moment.

As for you, I have a hard time telling if you're just saying stuff to keep your story straight, you seem to try kinda hard to stay very consistent in your play but I'm not sure if it's me being tunneled or a fact.

Hence it would be helpful for me to know how you want to read Haru if you feel that he's super scummy on one and townie on the other hand. How do you get to the conclusion that his reaction was townie, for example?


I actually can't recall a game where you haven't thought I'm scum. You must really really hate my playstyle...

I've told you exactly how I've read Haru. How a person comes off towny is a semi-subjective thing. Generally when a person curses and screams at their tunneler in the way Haru did it's a town response. It's not a foolproof read by any means, but reads of this ilk have historically served me well. If you're a skeptic, just go with my latter reason (he easily could have just made a scumread up). It's totally valid here. Haru isn't a good lynch today.

And saying you don't know who you want to lynch when the thread's already ~40 pages, and the day's half gone is pretty weak. If you were forced to choose now, who would it be? This question really isn't that hard.


I would be lying if I said I had no scumreads. I'm simply not confident into them yet. Still in the process of deciding on you and WoS, and that's evident, so don't call my play "weak" just cause I don't go guns blazing on you guys, which is something you should actually value if you are town, since I give myself space for reconsideration.

Implying I'm doing something scummy with what I'm doing in your regards isn't something I would expect from a townie in your position to be honest. You see this guy talking to his persons of interest, but not dead set on lynching them, and the first thing coming to your mind is that the play is "weak"?


There's something to be said for still deciding, but there's also something to be said for sticking to safe stances. You haven't outright accused me of being scum, so I'm going to just assume you think I'm town.

On August 05 2014 10:50 Vivax wrote:
Btw what's the super scummy stuff you talk about in regard to Haru, when I look at your filter I see you in conversation with him and when I asked you, you said you found it a bit odd what he was doing.

Not really a post where you showcase A to B how what he was doing was super scummy so if you really feel that way it might be a good time to display what it is.


I've just told you Haru's probably town. Not wasting my time discussing this with you, as if it wasn't already obvious.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 02:24 GMT
#793
On August 05 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On August 05 2014 10:25 Vivax wrote:
WoS still have to see you act up on that sort of FoS you placed on GK early. How do you read him currently.

I'm not sure how calling him null was a FoS, I just said some of his posting made me feel all wonky about him. I think I'm used to playing games with him when he's always under the gun so to see him posting in a different way now (though still spr srs) gives me pause. Ultimately he recently liked the same thing I did in regards to Haru's reaction to HF (though we've obviously come to different conclusions about it) though maybe GK you can go into a little more detail as to what about Haru's reaction you liked?

I'd give GK slightly towny side of null for now---if there were a good way to pressure GK (that I wouldn't feel guilty about) to make him post similar to what I'm used to in many games I'd do it.


Feel free to come at me as hard as you'd like. I won't ragequit I promise.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 02:37 GMT
#799
On August 05 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On August 05 2014 11:24 goodkarma wrote:
On August 05 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 05 2014 10:25 Vivax wrote:
WoS still have to see you act up on that sort of FoS you placed on GK early. How do you read him currently.

I'm not sure how calling him null was a FoS, I just said some of his posting made me feel all wonky about him. I think I'm used to playing games with him when he's always under the gun so to see him posting in a different way now (though still spr srs) gives me pause. Ultimately he recently liked the same thing I did in regards to Haru's reaction to HF (though we've obviously come to different conclusions about it) though maybe GK you can go into a little more detail as to what about Haru's reaction you liked?

I'd give GK slightly towny side of null for now---if there were a good way to pressure GK (that I wouldn't feel guilty about) to make him post similar to what I'm used to in many games I'd do it.


Feel free to come at me as hard as you'd like. I won't ragequit I promise.

Well the point being by saying this out loud and not having anything particularly useful to pressure you on, pressuring to get you to post in a way I'm more familiar with won't work.


I don't post like I used to. I found people got ragey and mislynch-happy when I posted large paragraphs of logic.

Besides, I haven't really seen you pressure your scumread(s) all that much, the people you should be pressuring.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 02:45 GMT
#804
Poofter's the lynch I feel best about right now.

/sheep

##Vote: Poofter
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 03:01 GMT
#829
On August 05 2014 11:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 11:37 goodkarma wrote:
On August 05 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 05 2014 11:24 goodkarma wrote:
On August 05 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 05 2014 10:25 Vivax wrote:
WoS still have to see you act up on that sort of FoS you placed on GK early. How do you read him currently.

I'm not sure how calling him null was a FoS, I just said some of his posting made me feel all wonky about him. I think I'm used to playing games with him when he's always under the gun so to see him posting in a different way now (though still spr srs) gives me pause. Ultimately he recently liked the same thing I did in regards to Haru's reaction to HF (though we've obviously come to different conclusions about it) though maybe GK you can go into a little more detail as to what about Haru's reaction you liked?

I'd give GK slightly towny side of null for now---if there were a good way to pressure GK (that I wouldn't feel guilty about) to make him post similar to what I'm used to in many games I'd do it.


Feel free to come at me as hard as you'd like. I won't ragequit I promise.

Well the point being by saying this out loud and not having anything particularly useful to pressure you on, pressuring to get you to post in a way I'm more familiar with won't work.


I don't post like I used to. I found people got ragey and mislynch-happy when I posted large paragraphs of logic.

Besides, I haven't really seen you pressure your scumread(s) all that much, the people you should be pressuring.

I haven't been around all that much.
Also as far as scumreadS go, I only have the one right now, and I recently posted about him. Care to comment as it seems you and I have differing opinions?


You seem to have some grasp of why people read him as towny. The real question is if you think his response to the HF tunnel is fake or not. If fake then scum. If not he's town. My personal thoughts on Haru should be pretty clear from my filter.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 03:04 GMT
#831
On August 05 2014 11:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On August 05 2014 11:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 05 2014 11:51 Tehpoofter wrote:
On August 05 2014 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
Well it's unfortunate that ylu continue to lie to the thread by saying you didn't then


I didn't I won't get lynched so you can just hang out and be wrong

See, the thing is I have way more faith that HF can get his target lynched than some other people here Poofter.

Your BMK reads were leans, fine. What were they based on? Do you have any other reads? Is marv the lynch for today?

Let's get something concrete plz


HF can you comment re: Haru? For something people have been waiting for from me for so long, I'm kind of surprised that I have gotten absolutely nothing (though I suppose I shouldn't be---it's par for the course for me to put effort into something and have people ignore it).


I'm not done reading so I'm not going to update my BMK but I will when I get there.


Hurry up on catching up then, and stop shitposting until you do.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 03:06 GMT
#835
On August 05 2014 12:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On August 05 2014 11:58 Holyflare wrote:
No. You waited 3 hours after saying you were going to read only to end up commenting on useless shit about how marv put down a vote early. That's so mafia.


I was gonna read then shit came up so i came back when i could and am reading now.

I think what I said about marv is odd and you have played with him enough to know he doesn't just normally day 1 instant vote someone. Like thats not obsolete thats something different from the norm. Something different from normal play could be mafia.


Something different from normal play is only mafia if said person's more likely to do it as scum than town.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 03:21 GMT
#843
On August 05 2014 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 12:01 goodkarma wrote:
On August 05 2014 11:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 05 2014 11:37 goodkarma wrote:
On August 05 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 05 2014 11:24 goodkarma wrote:
On August 05 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 05 2014 10:25 Vivax wrote:
WoS still have to see you act up on that sort of FoS you placed on GK early. How do you read him currently.

I'm not sure how calling him null was a FoS, I just said some of his posting made me feel all wonky about him. I think I'm used to playing games with him when he's always under the gun so to see him posting in a different way now (though still spr srs) gives me pause. Ultimately he recently liked the same thing I did in regards to Haru's reaction to HF (though we've obviously come to different conclusions about it) though maybe GK you can go into a little more detail as to what about Haru's reaction you liked?

I'd give GK slightly towny side of null for now---if there were a good way to pressure GK (that I wouldn't feel guilty about) to make him post similar to what I'm used to in many games I'd do it.


Feel free to come at me as hard as you'd like. I won't ragequit I promise.

Well the point being by saying this out loud and not having anything particularly useful to pressure you on, pressuring to get you to post in a way I'm more familiar with won't work.


I don't post like I used to. I found people got ragey and mislynch-happy when I posted large paragraphs of logic.

Besides, I haven't really seen you pressure your scumread(s) all that much, the people you should be pressuring.

I haven't been around all that much.
Also as far as scumreadS go, I only have the one right now, and I recently posted about him. Care to comment as it seems you and I have differing opinions?


You seem to have some grasp of why people read him as towny. The real question is if you think his response to the HF tunnel is fake or not. If fake then scum. If not he's town. My personal thoughts on Haru should be pretty clear from my filter.

GK reads aren't (or shouldn't be) ever as simple as that. My inclination is to believe the response more likely comes from town, but then everything else Haru has said or done that looks scummy goes ignored. If cases could so easily be boiled down to one simple action then you could just as easily say that about everyone: "if so-and-so is lying about this they're scum, if not they're town." You don't know the truth so you have to sum up and take into account all that they have done and decide what is important and what isn't. Do you believe so strongly that what Haru said is not faked that you can ignore everything else?

And HF what I find Haru scummy for is different from what you find him scummy for, isn't it? Do you find it adds to or detracts from your tunnel? (And nothing Haru said or did detunneled you?)


If you read my filter, you'd realize it wasn't as simple as that. But it was a pretty heavy factor in favor of him being town. The other, as I've previously stated, that he could have just as easily made up a scumread as scum and avoided oodles of unwanted attention. He didn't make up some weird heuristic thing and actually called people "scum" in his only scumgame, so why wouldn't he do that here too?
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 03:30 GMT
#849
On August 05 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
Shitty scum and he lurks all the time as mafia just to come back with no content. Also your haru thing is odd because you spent all that time on haru but then really never had a real conclusion at the end of it. It does look scummy that he's null on you but then wants to group you with other ppl thus saying you're scummy out of the blue and it's scummy that he comes back to attack me saying that I'm twisting his words and then just fucks off after doing nothing again. Yes his outburst could be towny but I've seen so many scum be angry it's not really anything to go by for me.

Also GK why did you sheep me onto poofter if i provided no argument whatsoever?


No argument required. He's a good lynch.

He makes a super-scummy list post with no real justification. He excuses his posting by saying he hasn't read / is bad at mafia. While there is no 100% heuristic saying that talking about reading to catch up means he's mafia while you seem to believe, given he hasn't done anything meaningful all game and can only give excuses I believe there's a decent chance he'll flip scum.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 03:36 GMT
#854
On August 05 2014 12:32 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 12:30 goodkarma wrote:
On August 05 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
Shitty scum and he lurks all the time as mafia just to come back with no content. Also your haru thing is odd because you spent all that time on haru but then really never had a real conclusion at the end of it. It does look scummy that he's null on you but then wants to group you with other ppl thus saying you're scummy out of the blue and it's scummy that he comes back to attack me saying that I'm twisting his words and then just fucks off after doing nothing again. Yes his outburst could be towny but I've seen so many scum be angry it's not really anything to go by for me.

Also GK why did you sheep me onto poofter if i provided no argument whatsoever?


No argument required. He's a good lynch.

He makes a super-scummy list post with no real justification. He excuses his posting by saying he hasn't read / is bad at mafia. While there is no 100% heuristic saying that talking about reading to catch up means he's mafia while you seem to believe, given he hasn't done anything meaningful all game and can only give excuses I believe there's a decent chance he'll flip scum.


Explain what was super-scummy about my list? I mean should I have losts more reads.


Can you possibly be serious? This listpost is the last spot I really see reads, and you outright say you won't explain them at all. Perhaps update them, and explain reasons for why you think things?

On August 04 2014 11:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
I'll be posting all reads in Bang Marry Kill format Marry meaning I'm in it for the long haul Bang means I'm using you for your vote Kill is obvious. These mega solid late game reads I have thus far.

Marry: No one has won my heart over yet. I'll find someone to put a ring on it.

Bang: Hf, Eden

Kill: Haru, Marv

I can't give any reasons. Except that HF is non-game related.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 03:47 GMT
#858
On August 05 2014 12:37 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 12:32 Tehpoofter wrote:
On August 05 2014 12:30 goodkarma wrote:
On August 05 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
Shitty scum and he lurks all the time as mafia just to come back with no content. Also your haru thing is odd because you spent all that time on haru but then really never had a real conclusion at the end of it. It does look scummy that he's null on you but then wants to group you with other ppl thus saying you're scummy out of the blue and it's scummy that he comes back to attack me saying that I'm twisting his words and then just fucks off after doing nothing again. Yes his outburst could be towny but I've seen so many scum be angry it's not really anything to go by for me.

Also GK why did you sheep me onto poofter if i provided no argument whatsoever?


No argument required. He's a good lynch.

He makes a super-scummy list post with no real justification. He excuses his posting by saying he hasn't read / is bad at mafia. While there is no 100% heuristic saying that talking about reading to catch up means he's mafia while you seem to believe, given he hasn't done anything meaningful all game and can only give excuses I believe there's a decent chance he'll flip scum.


Explain what was super-scummy about my list? I mean should I have losts more reads.


I think at the time my list was amazing. Aside from marv who haven't talked and was obviously a troll. I agreed with all my reads when I made them. Scummy would ahve been if I made that list now as oppossed to like hours into the game like I had before Your reasons suck.

Also I'm town HF has probably figured it out by the way I'm responding. Marv will know if hes town. I really hope I'm fucking up whatever timing metric he thinks he has on me (its intentional sucker) kushm4sta reading me right makes me a bit uneasy tbh but in my read thus far his posts have seemed pretty carefree and unless his scum team is really good I think its porbably more townie. I might have to bang him but going to finish the next 10 pages or sof irst before I make another scummy as fuck bang marry kil list.


You don't have to make a list. All I really care about is who you think is scum and why. So actually read the thread, and don't come back until you do.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 04:16 GMT
#865
While I'm waiting for you thought I'd add this super-applicable quote:

On June 25 2014 06:28 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:
On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general

Great. More posts that I don't want to read.


If you don't like reading posts you're in the wrong place. That would be like playing video mafia without anyone talking. This is wolfy teemu, don't be lazy.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 04:19 GMT
#866
On August 05 2014 13:12 gobbledydook wrote:
Artanis finally showed up and did something useful. Poofter hasn't. All he really has done is scumread on the timing of marv's vote and then say he can't read him anyway. It's such a useless, trivial point that occupies lots of space.

##vote: tehpoofter


Is this all you care to comment on after over a day of absence?
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 04:27 GMT
#871
On August 05 2014 13:22 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 13:19 goodkarma wrote:
On August 05 2014 13:12 gobbledydook wrote:
Artanis finally showed up and did something useful. Poofter hasn't. All he really has done is scumread on the timing of marv's vote and then say he can't read him anyway. It's such a useless, trivial point that occupies lots of space.

##vote: tehpoofter


Is this all you care to comment on after over a day of absence?


AUS Timezone OP, also I have other things to do

Is there anything specific you want me to comment on?


Wave's case on Haru, Obi, Artansis, the meaning of life. Take your pick. There must have been something posted of interest to you between yesterday and today.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 05 2014 04:42 GMT
#877
On August 05 2014 13:36 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 13:27 goodkarma wrote:
On August 05 2014 13:22 gobbledydook wrote:
On August 05 2014 13:19 goodkarma wrote:
On August 05 2014 13:12 gobbledydook wrote:
Artanis finally showed up and did something useful. Poofter hasn't. All he really has done is scumread on the timing of marv's vote and then say he can't read him anyway. It's such a useless, trivial point that occupies lots of space.

##vote: tehpoofter


Is this all you care to comment on after over a day of absence?


AUS Timezone OP, also I have other things to do

Is there anything specific you want me to comment on?


Wave's case on Haru, Obi, Artansis, the meaning of life. Take your pick. There must have been something posted of interest to you between yesterday and today.



1) Haru: It's a good case, I had raised some of my objections about Haru before, but HF persuaded me that just because I don't agree with him doesn't mean he is scum. I still don't like any of his posts, the logic just isn't there. I could be persuaded to vote Haru.

2) Obi: Null read atm, he's played similarly to when I saw him in Noir Mini 2, and he was town in that game. He hasn't particularly stood out as towny though so that's why I have a null read.

3) Artanis: I said before, I think he's come out with good discussion and so I unvoted him.

4) The meaning of life: 42.


Well at least you got the meaning of life part right.

Was kinda hoping you'd have more to say about Wave seeing as how I was referring to his case. And also I find it odd that you don't seem to have much of a direction in mind as to where to spend your time in thread. Don't get me wrong I like the poofter vote but your posting shouldn't begin and end with one vote post.

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