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On August 04 2014 15:31 Eden1892 wrote:sigh gonna make me look huh Haru for... a weird defense of you, do I have that right? Some q's on that: - Are you not interested in exploring that weird defense further? - What's weird about his defense of you exactly? - What's scum-motivated about his defense of you exactly?
I'm pretty sure all of that is explained in a basic form in the same post you just looked at.
Tsk tsk Eden. I am disappoint.
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I'll accept the final point, though I don't believe you aren't asking just to ask, because you didn't even know who you were asking about when you did at first.
Easy towncred when called out for defending everyone else's apparent scumread so he can say 'lulz why would I hard defend someone everyone else is attacking as scum' but more damning is the grabbing the quick out as soon as he could when attention trundle to him. It's pretty basic scared scumplay IMO, guy made a play and felt like it might have backfired/wants to play safe and get on everyone's good site now. See conversation with GK for example.
Though if they were both scum that might be interesting too.
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Attention *turned to him
I fucking hate doing this on ipad
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On August 04 2014 15:38 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, first and foremost if marv doesn't show up with something relevant and lurks - we kill him. I think we can all agree on that one. So far I think Eden is probably town because he seems very comfortable and was one of the first to actually scumhunt (together with HF). I think I also somewhat like goodkarma because his play so far has been really different than in showdown. Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 09:52 Vivax wrote:
It's not mafiaish at all he just has a different opinion than you and not everyone with a different opinion is mafia. I don't like this post. How do you know it is not mafiaish? I am not saying Haru is scum but why do you feel the need to defend him like that this early? Also, Obi with a way less impressing start than in an unnamed game.
Could say the same of you.
I don't get the feeling vivax was defending him, rather simply expressing his pov.
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I don't see you getting anyone lynched eden
Hai guys
Phoneposting for a bit
Some things to note
I forget who but somebody actually thinks kush could be scum atm lol
Marv said something about me that was spot on as usual but I forget what it was...I think it was something in relation to HF
HF and I I think are having a misunderstanding of sorts, but him dropping it the way he did makes me further lean town on him despite my already saying I didn't want to shit up the thread with it...something in the phrasing
Can't remember what else struck me while I tried to read throughout the day
Can probs post a little but not we ll until later
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Oh yeah a lot of weir pd shit surrounding. Haru
It really doesn't mseem that complicated to me, and I think people we're saying my posts about him were bad? Maybe Eden?
Gotta look back and refute dat shit when I get the chance
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And this
##unvote: marv
Pile of stupidity made me laugh and policy obvs not happening
I don't thin Artanis is happening either though marv
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Does cab do this as scum?
Is this why people do nt like him
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On August 05 2014 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Does cab do this as scum?
Is this why people do nt like him Are you fully caught up? You seem confused. Did your read on Haru change/evolve somehow?
I'm caught up but it was bits and pieces throughout the day
First opportunity I've had to. Post
I want to go back and reread haru
Vivax in my experience what I described about haru comes from a scum perspective, at least one who is a little paranoid early in the game for no reason really. The issue is I think I made a read based on different things from you vivax, not his conversation later on
I'm going to reread haru
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Faking townreads is easy as hell if that's what you're worried about, why do you hate asking?
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Eden ill tell you a secret.
Scum often don't need help in terms of figuring out who to shoot.
Vivax when I don't have to phonepost ill get to it I promise
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When I don't have to phonepost
What specifically would you likw me to respoind to
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HF when did you become such a meta whore?
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Well I'll look over that along with vivaxs stuff soon
Probably a little over an hour
Don't go to sleep hun
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On August 05 2014 08:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 08:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well I'll look over that along with vivaxs stuff soon
Probably a little over an hour
Don't go to sleep hun Dude stop posting promises please, it looks terrible. A man townie just does stuff without telling us beforehand he's gonna do something, cause it's not some tiring work, it's his desire to solve the game that drives him. I don't post this at every occasion but it's a recurring thing in your filter imho.
Only with regards to this
Plz son don't tell me how to play
I'll apologize for my afk ness if i wasn't to
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On August 05 2014 08:15 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 08:09 Holyflare wrote:Someone read this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=HaruRHSave me from the tunnel plz because in the town games that I've read from haru when he scum hunts it includes quotes and posts and reasons and questions and he tries to find things, all I've seen from him now is generic lists and surface reading all over again and he just echos a lot of things already said Dude wtf you're still twisting my words I already said posting with quotes is paramount to suicide on mobile. Also, I did not spend 25 minutes finding those stuff. I spent less than 3, but the effort of trying to copy and paste the quote using mobile is like trying to swallow a sword Continue riding in the haru tunnel. Many had done so and collapsed in it. Known victims: rainbows, glowingbear
This post looks towny btw
Reminds me of legit pissed wave but then again I am turrible with newbie comparisons or at least people new to me
THE HARU READ IS COMING
#yolopromises
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On August 05 2014 08:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wave, you mentioned you thought I was townie in the start. You haven't really mentioned that since other than telling Marv that you don't think I'm happening today. What's your read on me and why?
Alright I'm back for a while.
Is there a reason I should have mentioned you in between? I seem to remember your scumplay being tantamount to rolling over and dying for no good reason (though why I think this I'll admit I don't rightly know and am too lazy to go check right now). Even were this not the case, your play simply doesn't seem scummy to me--- I just don't see a scum Artanis calling me confirmed town all game and spouting nothing but carefree oneliners in the face of making other people suspicious.
Or maybe you simply bought me with your outright defenses. Does this mean I'm not confirmed town any more, arty?
+ Show Spoiler +Sorry, but Eden's ascii fist made me lol
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On August 05 2014 10:25 Vivax wrote:
WoS still have to see you act up on that sort of FoS you placed on GK early. How do you read him currently.
Writing up on haru atm
Give me a bit plz
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HaruRH:
On August 04 2014 09:26 HaruRH wrote:
Anyway, I am null on this read on wos.
His meta read could probably be thrown away after him not playing for months - I would certainly change a lot in 3 months.
However, that 'stiffness' in his long ass posts can definitely be seen. So its a +1 -1=0.
First relevant post is here. It makes sense superficially, though I absolutely hate that 'stiffness' horseshit, which I suppose I can get into with Eden or whoever still believes that later. There's not much here in the end which is fine, but it becomes a problem below:
On August 04 2014 09:52 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 09:46 Holyflare wrote:On August 04 2014 09:26 HaruRH wrote:
Anyway, I am null on this read on wos.
His meta read could probably be thrown away after him not playing for months - I would certainly change a lot in 3 months.
However, that 'stiffness' in his long ass posts can definitely be seen. So its a +1 -1=0. This post does not make any sense whatsoever? If the meta read can be thrown away then it doesn't count at all. Then you agree about him being stiff but end up at null? If he hasn't played for 3 months why is he disappointed about rolling town then? Should be a good thing after a break. Why am I trying to defend this wos guy when I don't even remember where I saw him? Yea, you might be right. I certainly won't be happy rolling scum on my first game after 3 months.
This is where I first drew issue with him in the first place. The soft defense he used above is based on my meta changing after 3 months (and note that it is a SOFT defense as he does not call me town or stand up for me in any way) but here he treats it as if it is more than that. In the exact same first post he gives me both a '+1' and '-1' and yet his reaction is as if he has been called out for a hard defense. Then, IMMEDIATELY he is sure to discount his own '+1 defense' by agreeing that I shouldn't be happy about rolling scum (which I've already shown to be untrue, though this is irrelevant).
Now the first thing that pops into my head is mafia with a guilty conscience, and the reasoning should be obvious (if it isn't, it's in my filter). Vivax believes that it is simply Haru rethinking his argument out loud, btu I disagree and this is why:
On August 04 2014 13:01 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 12:58 goodkarma wrote:On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote:
I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches.
I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. Last I checked this is the normalest of normal games. Why would scum have to play anything other than "standard?" Idk, if I was scum I would definitely sit back and think of how to play this game. So I would wanna check how these people who never posted yet on how they open up. Too stiff = skummer.
On August 04 2014 13:52 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 13:40 goodkarma wrote:On August 04 2014 13:25 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 13:08 goodkarma wrote:On August 04 2014 13:01 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 12:58 goodkarma wrote:On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote:
I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches.
I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. Last I checked this is the normalest of normal games. Why would scum have to play anything other than "standard?" Idk, if I was scum I would definitely sit back and think of how to play this game. So I would wanna check how these people who never posted yet on how they open up. Too stiff = skummer. So has anyone in the thread met this criterion of yours yet? Didn't you say Wave was stiff??? On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote:
I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches.
I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. Assuming you weren't just pulling names out of a hat, is there a particular reason for listing these three? You got a OMGUS they're attacking me therefore they're scum kinda thing going, or is there more to it than that? Care to elaborate? Note: I have literally 0 experience with purely normal games, so I don't know what to expect other than scum playing out of their minds. Which is what I'll focus on d1. Yes, that is why I brought out the stiff post argument. I want to see if this trend continues since it matches up with the 'scum playing out of their mind' read I have. Finding and noting the top towns currently also helps me formulate how scum could possibly act. It's better (in my opinion) to hide as top towns, so I won't be surprised if any of these 3 who are leading discussion/looking towny now would be scum. So the people you believe are looking towny are scum? Does this mean the afk scummy lurkers are all town??? You're still not answering my question. With all your ideas of how to find scum, you must have a prime suspect of some kind in mind? Someone you're just dying to learn more about to assert with certainty if he/she's truly scum? Lack of experience is no excuse. It's not like themed games (excluding the caller ones) are so massively different that your experience there can't be applied here. On top of that, you've been in normal games. So why are you using this excuse in the first place? You still sound angsty. What? I said, I'm waiting to see if the lurkers are posting stiffly so that I can group them up with wave. No. 1 scum in 3 people = all others are town? How did you even come to this conclusion? I still don't have a prime suspect. You probably have not played with me before but I don't do reads d1 (at least not the first half) until everyone turns up and I get to inspect and see how they are linked. Call it bad or w/e, this is how I roll. Lack of experience isn't an excuse, but expectations will be my worry. I am expecting 1 out of 3 of these boogers to be skum and the remaining few skums to be in the rest.
If those who post 'stiffly' are scum and he's waiting to group them up with me, what does that mean about what he thinks of me? When exactly did he go from null to scummy on me? I just don't see the towny though process, hell ANY thought process at all, it looks more like 'Oh, I was given an out to join the anti-Wave bandwagon, so here I go.' It honestly feels like he simply name-dropped me above to make himself look better. I don't believe that 'waiting for lurkers to post' is a valid towny technique here either, it reads much more like an excuse and an easy way to avoid content.
On August 04 2014 23:36 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 23:26 marvellosity wrote:On August 04 2014 23:23 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 22:55 marvellosity wrote:
that's stupid though.
any townie not playing as townie as possible in order to prevent themselves being a NK is both obnoxiously stupid and a complete asswipe. Yea, and thus all good townies will die in early days while scum celebrate the shitup of the thread. The best way to get a good looking thread is if all the townies look really town so it's easy to find the mafia... Problem is, what constitutes looking really townie? What heuristics do you use to judge? For example, the way you judge town is probably going to be different from pooft, who plays tons of video mafia, and different from me, who plays tons of game mafia (sc2/wc3). Also, what is really townie looking? To artanis, wos is his really townie guy despite many objections and scumreads on wos. Explain to me, marv.
This looks like a scummer who has gained confidence by people getting off his ass and shifted attention over to a bandwagon that isn't him. Note the 'wos' namedropping again.
Now his return:
I was going to agree with Obiwan on the odd use of self-meta but I've done it myself before and as I mentioned earlier in my filter his reasoning feels like frustrated towny more so than caught scum so I'm in more of a conundrum here. The problem with it is I'm known to be wrong with that kind of read so I have to take it with a grain of salt. The confidence is still there which is fine, hell even a towny who gets negative attention on himself dropped will gain confidence, but his list of scummers also rubs me the wrong way. Aside from myself being up there, the other two are people who attacked him previously (discounting HF who imo looks towny enough that it might be dangerous for a lower-confidence scummer to attack by way of OMGUS)...it realy doesn't seem as though any thought besides that was put in.
Ultimately I am still scummy on Haru because in rereading I have gone through and I don't see the towny perspective being stronger than a scum-aligned one for his actions.
Vivax you're welcome to show me the error of my ways here if you still think I'm not considering important things here.
##Vote: HaruRH
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On August 05 2014 10:25 Vivax wrote:
WoS still have to see you act up on that sort of FoS you placed on GK early. How do you read him currently.
I'm not sure how calling him null was a FoS, I just said some of his posting made me feel all wonky about him. I think I'm used to playing games with him when he's always under the gun so to see him posting in a different way now (though still spr srs) gives me pause. Ultimately he recently liked the same thing I did in regards to Haru's reaction to HF (though we've obviously come to different conclusions about it) though maybe GK you can go into a little more detail as to what about Haru's reaction you liked?
I'd give GK slightly towny side of null for now---if there were a good way to pressure GK (that I wouldn't feel guilty about) to make him post similar to what I'm used to in many games I'd do it.
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