EPTOn August 08 2014 06:22 Seeyalater wrote:
Nah, while I'll be busy today and tomorrow, I'll still be around.
Nah, while I'll be busy today and tomorrow, I'll still be around.
Am I going to win voting for Tolkien?
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Tehpoofter
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Am I going to win voting for Tolkien? | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On August 08 2014 05:23 Tehpoofter wrote: After a good sleep on it. I may have been wrong on seeya. I never want to come into a day with a bias so I tried to read both filters and see things from both sides and Tolkien has been not as active. His filter was only 6 pages where as seeya's is 10 and mine is 14. If I was just doing a sort by filter length. To put this in perspective. Town Hero Jenny had 6 pages of filter on Day 1 alone. This is NOT an ironclad argument just the first thing that stood out to me when diving filters. Seeing that Jenny had 6 pages of filter on day 1 and voted for mafia really impresses me  I think I married the right person in the thread! Maybe Kush was right and Jenny is a smurf  | ||
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Seeyalater
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But then if you win we have no chance of you breaking your headset for losing in top 3 again. D: | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On August 08 2014 07:06 Seeyalater wrote: Alright put your dongers down. And I don't want to speak preemptively before Tolk comes in, but I think its a safe bet, unless you pocketed everyone since day 1(which you could but at this point I have to make a concise answer), I would be pretty sure right now, that yes voting for Tolk with me would lead to town win. But then if you win we have no chance of you breaking your headset for losing in top 3 again. D: No headset at work. I just don't want to lose. I was too passive on meat's lynch. I expected to die n2 I'm really unsure who benefited from Teemu kill and why it was such a weird ass kill. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
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Seeyalater
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Tehpoofter
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On August 08 2014 08:46 Seeyalater wrote: Aww fuck my damned work computer deleted a big post I had, let me try to recollect my thoughts. >_< That sucks. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:03 Seeyalater wrote: I think they might have guessed Teemu might have been the cop, since he almost completely changed his read on me d2(from leading mafia to leading town) and he made a few posts about blue roles and stuff. Meh he softed medic more than cop tbh. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On August 08 2014 07:43 Lord Tolkien wrote: Online and reviewing filters, news at 11. Good News or Bad News.... Bad News first. | ||
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Seeyalater
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Lord Tolkien
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a) he doesn't mention me at all, nor responds to my directed question at him. b) he only mentions seeyalater in passing (as part of his Teemu cases), and responds to seeya in regards to that case; effectively no interaction. c) he starts a really weak case against TehPoofter and backs out of it in his very next post (???). The other notable feature in his filter is, as I've stated before, his complete lack of defense. Just this: On July 31 2014 14:09 DCLXVI wrote: My head is spinning too much to read all of this, but me dying would not be in the best interest of the town because I know I'm town and I at least post opinions that can read and analyzed, rather than straight parroting when specifically asked to talk instead of lurking: Goodnight, hope I'm still alive in the morning. And a vote change onto Meatpudding. No defense when he could've saved himself if he actually pushed onto Meat (since MP was still clinging to the idea that Teemu was mafia and wouldn't change his vote). This still perplexes me and still leaves me to conclude that he was bussed. As myself and TehPoofter are the only ones alive on the DC train and I know I'm not mafia, well... This requires a SHITTON of WIFOM though. It's difficult to read the bandwagon on DC since everyone's reasons for voting him tended to be kinda short and meh (Poofter's vote was ostensibly just to pressure, lilwade voted because HE'S MAFIA, I voted because he posted literally nothing and meat was talking to us at this point, etc), and, quite frankly. I don't think it'd be a good idea to actually do any sort of this bussing when they could've saved mafia. But I digress. I'd be suspicious of TehPoofter purely because if this was set up, TehPoofter looks about as good as he can get from it. On Nightkills: I find it difficult to make much out of the NKs, and quite frankly I don't like dealing with them because it verges into WIFOM territory. Nonetheless, N1: Jenny. Everyone called her a top town so I'm not exactly surprised by her death. But before she died, she top town'd Poofter, scummedd meatpudding, and null'd seeya/lilwade. N2: Teemu. Beats me, honestly. I don't see much of a compelling reason to NK him. The only posts relevant to LYLO D2/N2 currently would appear to be: On August 01 2014 13:57 Teemursu wrote: Yeah.. Okay then. lynch meat tomorrow and cop check Seeyalater -> game probably solved. On August 01 2014 15:37 Teemursu wrote: inb4 Tolkien is mafia because perfect information. lel N3: lilwade. Was cop, not much else to say I think. Overall, I don't see much utility in analyzing any of these NKs, but either of you are welcome to pursue this avenue. Right now, the fact that Seeya is actually questioning me as town is a good sign. I still have no idea why everyone was putting me up as solid town. Besides that, the question is whether or not I believe cya is godfather, as lilwade is who he says he is so that's the only possibility. Doubtful but I am sure as hell not ruling out that possibility. Tunneling bad. As a result, I'm going on a limb and gonna say: #Vote TehPoofter Going by my gut. I still need to digest your filters. Poofter, your pre-N1 filter is still painful to read through purely because of the amount of fluff in it, and constitute 7.5 pages of your filter. Yeah. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
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On August 08 2014 08:48 Tehpoofter wrote: Oh Btw I'm town. I don't know if I had said that before. If the other town could claim I think this is auto. Is that right? I am iron town. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
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On August 07 2014 15:58 Seeyalater wrote: What do I mean by my eyes have opened? Holy shit, I don't know how Tolkien has been so town for me this far. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=67#1321 Ok here is one of the biggest examples I found. He said that Jenny had Meat on her prime d2 wagon, and yet, what was one of the last things Jenny said? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=43#854 Exactly the opposite, in fact she was starting to doubt MP was a mafia after seeing so many people push on him. Hum, you're right. I missed that corollary post when I got sidetracked by GB's confusion about the D1 vote. All I remembered about Jenny was her last reads list that night. Then we N1, where Poofter and Jenny were joking with each other about their "wedding" and the soft role claims. Which if he was mafia, maybe that's another reason Jenny died D1, because since she was so towny, she almost seemed like she coulda have had more info(like cop check), and then Tolk coulda killed her because of this, hoping to hit a power role. Then not much later on- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=988&topic_id=462654 which as Poof later pointed out, could have been a ploy to deflect scum being thrown on to him. wat. It was N1, how could she have more information D1/N1? I am confused. Again, I hate NK analysis as it's 90% speculation, but if it floats your boat. Also notice how most of day 1, he didn't really mention clockwork at all until the push on him with Poofter and Jenny started to happen, which was at that point where he switched his thoughts. Also, notice how Clock never even mentioned Tolk at all while he was still alive. You are correct. I didn't see much of a reason to look at DC in my brief 1st half D1 lookthrough. Again, very limited time, and my filter D1 is wafer thin in terms of post count to reflect that. I at the time had a null read on him, and I didn't feel I had anything remarkable to say about him. Or Teemu at the time, I think. And then while filter diving you I realize that yes, your formatting d1 was wrong but somehow the mod allowed it to count, but told me mine wasn't. However, your reaction to me asking you about this was real bad. Also, GB pointed out it was formatted incorrectly as well right below your post. These are just after some filter dives, so basically what I'm trying to say, is no one should be off the table for tomorrow. I still don't know why that's important (like seriously)? But ok. Why did you think I was solid town anyways? You and others were pegging me for it and I wouldn't have in your position. In any event, the question you should be asking in LYLO is: 1) how does this make me scum, and 2) is Poofter scum? I'm growing fairly certain Poofter is more likely scum than you for now, but I'll do my best to convince you that I'm town like I really am. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
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Again, I hate NK analysis as it's 90% speculation, but if it floats your boat. I have to reiterate this. You can conduct it, but I won't buy it. It opens the door too far too much WIFOM and idle speculation. The only one who actually knows anything about it is mafia. For instance, who else could've died N1? There was no other "top town" that night besides Poofter, and if Poofter is scum he's not going to shoot himself. | ||
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Seeyalater
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Now as to why kill teemu? Aside from his weird blue role softing, lets look at this post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=37#731 Teemu also noticed like I did earlier that Clock had ZERO interactions with Tolkien, when he had at least small ones with every one else. We also have this other teemu post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=47#922 where he joked about Tolkien being mafia with perfect information. This was back when everyone had tolk town, maybe he was worried about Teemu flipping and that's why he killed him before he had a chance to? | ||
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Lord Tolkien
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I want to hear what you have to say. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On August 08 2014 09:32 Lord Tolkien wrote: Hum, you're right. I missed that corollary post when I got sidetracked by GB's confusion about the D1 vote. All I remembered about Jenny was her last reads list that night. wat. It was N1, how could she have more information D1/N1? I am confused. Again, I hate NK analysis as it's 90% speculation, but if it floats your boat. You are correct. I didn't see much of a reason to look at DC in my brief 1st half D1 lookthrough. Again, very limited time, and my filter D1 is wafer thin in terms of post count to reflect that. I at the time had a null read on him, and I didn't feel I had anything remarkable to say about him. Or Teemu at the time, I think. I still don't know why that's important (like seriously)? But ok. Why did you think I was solid town anyways? You and others were pegging me for it and I wouldn't have in your position. In any event, the question you should be asking in LYLO is: 1) how does this make me scum, and 2) is Poofter scum? I'm growing fairly certain Poofter is more likely scum than you for now, but I'll do my best to convince you that I'm town like I really am. If you had to say who put in the most effort this game... Who really tried the most out of everyone. Who was trying to scum hunt. Name the top 3 names. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On August 08 2014 09:37 Seeyalater wrote: Ok, so what I wanted to say earlier was, when I talked about Teemu seeing me as town after having me maf most of early day 1- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?user=Teemursu&page=12 Now as to why kill teemu? Aside from his weird blue role softing, lets look at this post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=37#731 Teemu also noticed like I did earlier that Clock had ZERO interactions with Tolkien, when he had at least small ones with every one else. We also have this other teemu post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=47#922 where he joked about Tolkien being mafia with perfect information. This was back when everyone had tolk town, maybe he was worried about Teemu flipping and that's why he killed him before he had a chance to? Your effort today is really good. Why did Tolkien vote on DC day one if hes mafia? | ||
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