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On July 30 2014 11:10 DCLXVI wrote:
I voted for tehpoofter because he claimed he would talk about people and post opinions, then went straight back to spam. Apparently I misunderstood what he said about when he would do such, but that doesn't change the fact that he was useless for a long time. At least after my vote on him he started helping us so I am less suspicious of him now.
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I have not felt any scummy vibes from teemursu, but apparently some people have so I will go take a look at that.
Teemu this was the only post that felt scummy IMO. The others are fair. He isn't speaking much, I think he should be contributing more, but I'm okay with his pushes. He wouldn't be my second choice. Lilwade would probably be, but I have to filter dive him to have a better idea. The only thing I remember from this guy is that the overreacted to poof in an unnatural way.
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On July 31 2014 15:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 15:21 Teemursu wrote:On July 31 2014 15:07 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 15:01 Teemursu wrote:On July 31 2014 15:00 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:58 Teemursu wrote:On July 31 2014 14:56 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:50 JennyHell wrote:Whoa whoa whoa.. Are you putting words in our mouths? How is me prompting Teemu that we need to be able to read him, and that I have a difficult time doing so mean that I bought DC's case against him? Yeah that was poorly worded by me. I mean that he wasn't the only one to bring up suspicion here. Although I would like you to share your thoughts on Teemu. I don't think he's town. You don't need to focus on me, I'm not a lynch today like everyone else already has told you. If you're town focus on someone who you can help getting lynched, so we can get mafia day 1. Ok? Great. Calm down we are doing it  Who is your top lynch? You or 666. Why me or 666? You've lurked throughout the whole game until now. When you were posting a bit, you asked a couple of questions and disappeared again without following any of that stuff. Your liszt post was pretty terrible. None of these things make you necessarily mafia, but scummy and impossible to read, especially after you can't give me any viable name to lynch. On July 31 2014 14:54 Teemursu wrote:On July 31 2014 14:43 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:25 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:22 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 14:13 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 14:00 meatpudding wrote:On July 31 2014 13:50 GlowingBear wrote:On July 31 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:
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Sorry my posts are so short. I have only limited time each day but I'm catching up with the thread. Hey I'm not the only lurker *ahem*
Town plays to find who is mafia and what are they doing. Scum play is to lead to mislynches until you win. What Tea is doing is to try to talk people into committing too hard or contradicting themselves. Town always contradict and make mistakes on d1. His posts are not clearly scummy nor are they clearly town, leading me to believe he is scum waiting for the right wagon.
On the great GB. I think he is another type of scum. What he is doing is to try to be objective and logical while building up a case. I think he's trying too hard, and exaggerating a bit much for me to find it believable. This is scum trying to mislead town.
666 and cya I will need to filter dive some more. Right now I would still prefer to leave my vote on tea if it were an option. I'd like you to specifically filter dive 666 and bring your read on him. On July 30 2014 10:33 Seeyalater wrote:
Oh my bad completely skipped over him. I'll be 100% honest, he's completely fallen off my radar since he talked earlier.
Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today. This quote from cya sums up how I feel on 666 so far. All this tells me is that cya is not scum if 666 is, because he would be too carful and not "accidentally" forget him. I ask you to filter dive 666, you bring cya's post. You said you have to filter dive him. Suddenly you see his vote in Teemu and thinks that just because that he is town. Why bringing up cya's? I understand he shares the view but I asked your opinion, you're just reproducing someone's, which is easy. More than that, you bring another unrelated person to the conversation when we are talking about you. I did say I needed to read both cya's and 666's filter. I brought up that post because I had a null read up until I read 666's more logical posts. Generally there is a towny way to make a case which is what I find in his logic. Ok, fair logic, but unconvincing. 666 brought his case on Teemu and nobody bought it. If you really need Teemu is a better vote than 666, you gotta work that out more. It's not that nobody bought it cya did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22704228Jen did - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22706931Banks did (early) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22702263and again (later) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703459lilwade fence - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22703540The trend in Teemu's posts is that they are misleading and deliberately hard to get a read from. It's risky to exclude one player from lynch, especially in a small game. Anyone propose a second target, because I still say Teemu is the safest lynch today. Most of these aren't a reference to any case made by 666. It's like you've just went ahead and find a post by everyone that pushes/questions me the most. There was a decent reason to suspect me early on, when I hadn't done anything, but after I started putting out reads and content, a few people called me town (Banks switched from kill to bang, GB and Tolkien). You keep saying that my posts are misleading and hard to read, but I've clearly taken a stance on people. You also don't provide any evidence, you just kind of repeat the same old and sheep other pushes on me. If I was mafia (and this may sound a little weird to you), why wouldn't I stay with my push on say Seeyalater, like I did in the previous newbie game with you , and just get an easy miss lynch? 666 because I'm sheeping Banks. Your case on GB is so bad as well, none of the things you said about him make mafia, if anything, more town. This is scummy logic. You know I'm not the only lurker and now I'm posting more. And you have probably the most posts yet you sheep Banks because you can't give a viable name to lynch. So you should have some idea by now? You are pretty quick to throw out town reads though.
He got you in there, Teemu.
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Woke up, got 30 minutes.
God, this sounds so much like the first newbie game...
I don't understand why meatpudding refuses to give his own genuine thoughts on 666...
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On July 31 2014 19:51 JennyHell wrote:
Honestly, I feel the same way that you do about meatman. He's been digging his own grave for a while and I still don't see the post he said he would come with.
It's 3 hours left and neither meatpie or DC have been pleading their cases.
Still not sure who I'm feeling mostly ok with out of the two.. Maybe meatthing for at least trying? I could vote for both of them.
How does the rest of you lot feel?
Meaty or DC?
I'm still considering votes. Meatpudding is at least trying to not get lynched. 666 left his vote and went off. He looks somehow confident that meatpudding will die instead if him. Doesn't look townie to me. With 2 wagons and possible 3 mafia, it's easy for mafia to change votes, specially with a consolidated wagons like this. Switching from 666 to meatpudding will be easy and won't raise signals of mafia move.
This makes me think that meatpudding is probably town and 666 mafia, or they are both townies.
Since there is not enough time to check other people and vote the correct wagon, I'd rather vote 666
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On July 31 2014 23:48 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:43 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Teemursu wrote:On July 31 2014 23:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:
His play is vaguely like what it was last game, the issue is I don't think having two identically poor playstyles is...good.
He may have just been lurking and trying to keep both himself and DC alive. What with their concerted push onto you...it's confusing to read him given his past meta. If I didn't play with him last game, I would read him scum partner to DC, and both scum were spotted D1, with DC being the sacrificial lamb. Lol, yeah, this and the fact I thought there were more votes on meatpudding was the reason why I was so paranoid he was town.Now that the flip happened, I gotta reread some people and see where I stand. There were more votes on DC since like I swapped my vote on him, tho. Not sure how it looked previously, but I think DC was def set to be lynched. This doesn't check out I think. Or are you saying you miscounted the votes. In which case, O_o Nonono, yeah, I just miscounted for some reason.
Meatpudding was set to be lynched. It was 4 vs 4 votes with meatpudding being the first to reach majority.
Now, I thought that this would make meatpudding looking town. But the signals that they were together were too strong. I've specifically pushed meatpudding to give an in depth read on 666 and he decided not to, which I find extremely indicative.
Kill meatpudding and game will be probably figured out even if he flips green.
Congrats, poof! MVP there.
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Nah, to be honest, meatpudding looked townie, even >>>>BLUEISH<<<<
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On August 01 2014 00:44 Teemursu wrote:
Seeyalater, you said earlier that people kind of pressured us to vote on each other, or something. 666 pressured me for not voting on you and I just wanted to know, who was the one that pressured you to vote on me?
Whoever did that to you could be mafia with 666 trying to make us think there's a mafia between one of us, maybe.
There is a mafia between you. I'm trying to figure out who.
Source: vote count
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On August 01 2014 01:10 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 00:50 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 00:44 Teemursu wrote:
Seeyalater, you said earlier that people kind of pressured us to vote on each other, or something. 666 pressured me for not voting on you and I just wanted to know, who was the one that pressured you to vote on me?
Whoever did that to you could be mafia with 666 trying to make us think there's a mafia between one of us, maybe. There is a mafia between you. I'm trying to figure out who. Source: vote count Idk if this is true yet, since the votes towards the end weren't consolidated by that much. I'll leave the vote logic to Banks and he's probably the only one I can trust about it.
Wait, what? Votes were 4 on meatpudding (set to be lynched) and 4 on 666. You don't think this is consolidated?
Basic vote logic: not considering a little WIFOMy scenario, mafia wouldn't probably vote on themselves. Therefore, lets check people who are voting on someone else.
That leaves only you and Seeyalater. Meatpudding decided not to vote on himself so an ok logic.
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On August 01 2014 01:41 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 01:36 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 01:10 Teemursu wrote:On August 01 2014 00:50 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 00:44 Teemursu wrote:
Seeyalater, you said earlier that people kind of pressured us to vote on each other, or something. 666 pressured me for not voting on you and I just wanted to know, who was the one that pressured you to vote on me?
Whoever did that to you could be mafia with 666 trying to make us think there's a mafia between one of us, maybe. There is a mafia between you. I'm trying to figure out who. Source: vote count Idk if this is true yet, since the votes towards the end weren't consolidated by that much. I'll leave the vote logic to Banks and he's probably the only one I can trust about it. Wait, what? Votes were 4 on meatpudding (set to be lynched) and 4 on 666. You don't think this is consolidated? Basic vote logic: not considering a little WIFOMy scenario, mafia wouldn't probably vote on themselves. Therefore, lets check people who are voting on someone else. That leaves only you and Seeyalater. Meatpudding decided not to vote on himself so an ok logic. In the end, it was 5-3. It's not a WIFOM scenario, mafia vote on mafia all the time if they see their member go down. If what you said was true 100% of the time and ONLY town voted on 666, from my PoV the mafia team would be 100% confirmed Seeyalater and meatpudding, and Idk if that is the case yet.
Yeah, I do understand what you say, but you gotta admit that the probability of what I've brought is higher.
In the end it was 5-3 because I switched from meatpudding to 666. Check my filter and my reasoning. Top town now?
BUT MAFIA KILL MEATPUDDING HE IS BLUUUUUE
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On August 01 2014 01:48 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 01:41 Teemursu wrote:On August 01 2014 01:36 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 01:10 Teemursu wrote:On August 01 2014 00:50 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 00:44 Teemursu wrote:
Seeyalater, you said earlier that people kind of pressured us to vote on each other, or something. 666 pressured me for not voting on you and I just wanted to know, who was the one that pressured you to vote on me?
Whoever did that to you could be mafia with 666 trying to make us think there's a mafia between one of us, maybe. There is a mafia between you. I'm trying to figure out who. Source: vote count Idk if this is true yet, since the votes towards the end weren't consolidated by that much. I'll leave the vote logic to Banks and he's probably the only one I can trust about it. Wait, what? Votes were 4 on meatpudding (set to be lynched) and 4 on 666. You don't think this is consolidated? Basic vote logic: not considering a little WIFOMy scenario, mafia wouldn't probably vote on themselves. Therefore, lets check people who are voting on someone else. That leaves only you and Seeyalater. Meatpudding decided not to vote on himself so an ok logic. In the end, it was 5-3. It's not a WIFOM scenario, mafia vote on mafia all the time if they see their member go down. If what you said was true 100% of the time and ONLY town voted on 666, from my PoV the mafia team would be 100% confirmed Seeyalater and meatpudding, and Idk if that is the case yet. Yeah, I do understand what you say, but you gotta admit that the probability of what I've brought is higher. In the end it was 5-3 because I switched from meatpudding to 666. Check my filter and my reasoning. Top town now? BUT MAFIA KILL MEATPUDDING HE IS BLUUUUUE No, I get that, and I'm not calling you mafia (check my post about 666's interactions), but your vote kind of makes the least amount of difference, because meat looked like he was going down anyway. And I do n't know the probability of what you're proposing. Mafia is a game about reads, not probability. If you go by probability only, all games would only have like one possible outcome (obviously the extreme scenario, but you get my point?).
Yeah I get it. But what in trying to say is that mafia is more likely to vote for a townie than vote for a mafia an keep the vote there. You may base you play solely on reading people's posts, but you should have what I said in mind.
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On August 01 2014 02:50 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 02:44 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 31 2014 23:20 Teemursu wrote:
Unlike what Banks said as a medic I would probably save him and not Jenny (unless there is a blue read). Good thing ur not medic I'm a terrible save. Jenny like super confirmed. Good job on Roman numeral guy. That means we have three lunches to get it right. Meatface/seeyalater and maybe teemu wins 80%of games. You first two need to start spewing town. I think the last is seeyalater. We killed mafia day 1 ladies I'm so proud!!!!!!! Well, as she said, no one's confirmed, but based on day 1, you did the most to push on 666, I think, which makes you pretty towny in my eyes? Also, it's even better if you don't think I'm the medic. 
Are you mafia, Teemu?
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On August 01 2014 04:10 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:44 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 02:50 Teemursu wrote:On August 01 2014 02:44 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 31 2014 23:20 Teemursu wrote:
Unlike what Banks said as a medic I would probably save him and not Jenny (unless there is a blue read). Good thing ur not medic I'm a terrible save. Jenny like super confirmed. Good job on Roman numeral guy. That means we have three lunches to get it right. Meatface/seeyalater and maybe teemu wins 80%of games. You first two need to start spewing town. I think the last is seeyalater. We killed mafia day 1 ladies I'm so proud!!!!!!! Well, as she said, no one's confirmed, but based on day 1, you did the most to push on 666, I think, which makes you pretty towny in my eyes? Also, it's even better if you don't think I'm the medic. Are you mafia, Teemu? No, why do you think I might be?
You're hinting you are the medic when we have no idea who can be medic. It didn't sound like you were trying to take a bullet so... Why saying that?
If I misread anything let me know... I slept too little and I am not absorbing information very well lol
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On August 01 2014 04:17 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 04:13 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 04:10 Teemursu wrote:On August 01 2014 03:44 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 02:50 Teemursu wrote:On August 01 2014 02:44 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 31 2014 23:20 Teemursu wrote:
Unlike what Banks said as a medic I would probably save him and not Jenny (unless there is a blue read). Good thing ur not medic I'm a terrible save. Jenny like super confirmed. Good job on Roman numeral guy. That means we have three lunches to get it right. Meatface/seeyalater and maybe teemu wins 80%of games. You first two need to start spewing town. I think the last is seeyalater. We killed mafia day 1 ladies I'm so proud!!!!!!! Well, as she said, no one's confirmed, but based on day 1, you did the most to push on 666, I think, which makes you pretty towny in my eyes? Also, it's even better if you don't think I'm the medic. Are you mafia, Teemu? No, why do you think I might be? You're hinting you are the medic when we have no idea who can be medic. It didn't sound like you were trying to take a bullet so... Why saying that? If I misread anything let me know... I slept too little and I am not absorbing information very well lol I think you're being silly again, like you were with Koshi... Nothing that I say tonight I think will make mafia think I'm a blue too much, mostly because I'm not sure how I can hint at it. At least I can confuse them a little bit and try to make their rolehunting a little more difficult. Too bad I had to explain this openly, though.
I'm not accusing you of anything, it was a genuine question.
There is a high possibility of this being an all vanilla set up. Pretty sure Haru loved the game hosted by slam.
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On August 01 2014 04:19 JennyHell wrote:
Haha, some of the logic of people is just so wacko. Why even call Teemu out for it when others did it multiple times during d1? It just doesn't make sense. Stop trying to help mafia by clearing their questionmarks out for them.
Saying someone is blue daytime =\= saying someone is blue night time.
I don't think mafia is stupid enough for believing that hint from Teemu.
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On August 01 2014 04:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 04:21 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 04:17 Teemursu wrote:On August 01 2014 04:13 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 04:10 Teemursu wrote:On August 01 2014 03:44 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 02:50 Teemursu wrote:On August 01 2014 02:44 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 31 2014 23:20 Teemursu wrote:
Unlike what Banks said as a medic I would probably save him and not Jenny (unless there is a blue read). Good thing ur not medic I'm a terrible save. Jenny like super confirmed. Good job on Roman numeral guy. That means we have three lunches to get it right. Meatface/seeyalater and maybe teemu wins 80%of games. You first two need to start spewing town. I think the last is seeyalater. We killed mafia day 1 ladies I'm so proud!!!!!!! Well, as she said, no one's confirmed, but based on day 1, you did the most to push on 666, I think, which makes you pretty towny in my eyes? Also, it's even better if you don't think I'm the medic. Are you mafia, Teemu? No, why do you think I might be? You're hinting you are the medic when we have no idea who can be medic. It didn't sound like you were trying to take a bullet so... Why saying that? If I misread anything let me know... I slept too little and I am not absorbing information very well lol I think you're being silly again, like you were with Koshi... Nothing that I say tonight I think will make mafia think I'm a blue too much, mostly because I'm not sure how I can hint at it. At least I can confuse them a little bit and try to make their rolehunting a little more difficult. Too bad I had to explain this openly, though. I'm not accusing you of anything, it was a genuine question. There is a high possibility of this being an all vanilla set up. Pretty sure Haru loved the game hosted by slam. If it's a genuine question, what else do you think you're going to get out of it besides a simple "'No"?
Genuine question = "why saying that?"
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On August 01 2014 04:27 JennyHell wrote:
All I'm saying is why even bring it up GB? You're the one that's blown it way out of proportion..
If it weren't for that weird comment, then it wouldn't have expanded like this.. Just saying.
Why not bringing that up, Sympathetic Mouth?
What do you think I should be doing?
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On August 01 2014 04:29 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 04:22 GlowingBear wrote:On August 01 2014 04:19 JennyHell wrote:
Haha, some of the logic of people is just so wacko. Why even call Teemu out for it when others did it multiple times during d1? It just doesn't make sense. Stop trying to help mafia by clearing their questionmarks out for them. Saying someone is blue daytime =\= saying someone is blue night time. I don't think mafia is stupid enough for believing that hint from Teemu. No shit, but it's going to confuse them more and go off thinking about all kinds of WIFOM. It''s not bad for town, it's bad for mafia best case scenario. I really don't understand why you're harping on this. Like even the fact that I'm explaining this like I'm a VT is going to make mafia really consider if I would have the balls to do it as a role, etc.
I'm just keeping this discussion because I'm answering your questions. I'd rather drop this off because I don't want to draw much attention to us.
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Hummm... I said they're different (=\=)...
Anyway, I see no problem of pointing that out. It still confuses mafia, they yet don't know if Teemu is blue or not for that. Just because we are talking about that doesn't clarify thing for mafia.
I think you guys are overreacting.
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By the way, should we lynch meatpudding day2?
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