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On July 30 2014 23:10 Holyflare wrote:
What a load of nonsense. I've dropped this like 5 pages ago and you still continue to talk about it palmar was suspicious because he called me mafia and then told me to stop spamming which was a contradiction. His read post pretty quickly changed that. I never scum read obi i just wanted him to elaborate on everything he's seeing because he has a habit of not saying what he means.
Why does it feel like we're playing in different games? You even just agreed with what i said and our discussion has led to people being town read. Hardly bad in any sense.
HF just cause I agree with you that these people didn't do anything to deserve a townread and thus have to be faced with the threat of being blown up with ritoky, doesn't mean I should let off of you if I find you scummy.
On July 30 2014 23:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 22:54 Vivax wrote:On July 30 2014 22:46 justanothertownie wrote:On July 30 2014 22:36 Vivax wrote:
If I were to make an early call on Damdred I'd say that he looks like he always did and thus probably town , with a style that makes him somehow suspicious for TL standards for some reason. Not confident enough in giving a definite read but I wouldn't call him scummy.
Not so sure about Jat cause he sees scummy things where I wouldn't expect them, Obi first, now Damdred and I'd like to hear more of his reasoning since his conclusions seem so much different from mine.
Could be indicative of him not knowing what to do while trying to stay active as scum since he stopped talking about setup stuff, so he kind of looks for scum in places where townies already put a checkmark in a box, I happened to do that as scum and then ended up harvesting wtfs for scumreading people everyone else is townreading.
I'm just putting this out there cause I don't feel confident in scumreading jat just for this, I think it is noteworthy and am curious about the responses.
Next topic, since SlOosh wondered for what reasons I scumread HF:
HF is a very aggressive scum player and I was amazed at how many cases he was able to crank out in GSL I think, where he carried us to victory while smurfing. I was like "Wow how do you manage to make up so much bullshit about people". "Just gotta find the scum motives in plays".
Key to reading him is following: If he only posts stuff that only takes account of scum motives, and tries to paint things in the worst light possible, and doesn't try to clear townies on the way, he's likely scum. Forget activity, forget insecurity, these are not criteria for reading him.
So the reason I called him scum was precisely cause he didn't just try to figure me out, he called me mafia and said that my post must have been scum motivated, way too early in the day, later he backtracked saying that for him the point was all about me picking the SlOosh post, and suddenly he was fine.
This doesn't make sense cause even then, all the points about me sidetracking, and the post looking scum tryhard, should still stand for him regardless of me picking SlOosh's post.
So HF can definitely be one of the scum we're looking for. But currently I'm not willing to talk to him cause I don't want this thread to become unreadable. Please tell me in detail how you are able to put a checkmark in the damdred = town box. I am listening. I already said why I don't like his posts. He doesn't seem to be saying anything of value - posting for the sake of posting. Looks like a new scum player that doesn't know what to do and how to insert himself in the thread. If that is what he does as town then we will have to wait what he does next but I don't see how you anyone could townread him for the posts he made so far. I really don't. I stand by my Obi observation btw. although he seems pretty towny lately. I am not able to put that checkmark confidently, but I'm not able to scumread him either cause I don't feel the posts he made are just there to make him look like he's talking. He posted stuff he seems to care about, and even though it can be summarized as 1. setup opinion, 2. opinion on me and HF, 3. opinion on Obi and 4. telling batsnacks to calm down, I have the feeling that those are simply the topics he's caring and interested about and not just some scum trying to look like he's active. That said I'd tentatively lean town on Damdred. He wasn't even able to explain his "set up opinion" and ignored me regarding it - can you? His opinion on you and HF is like the easiest thing to give and has been given by other people before - the same goes for Obi it seems. Telling batsnacks to calm down is also obvious and not alignment indicative. I could understand a nullread on him if this fits his meta but I can't accept a townread. Why can't he do this as scum? Besides rayn complaining and answering a "dumb list" with a dumb list without any other contribution he is easily the scummiest player that really has posted so far in my opinion.
I don't know Damdred's scum meta, he never rolled it, but I can tell that this game he doesn't look different from the others, and as said, it's somehow of a gut read based on the topics he chooses and how he talks about them. Don't really think I can persuade you further than this with more objective arguments, but if you find anything scummy besides "tries to post a lot in a scummy way", which is just as subjective, feel free to tell me about it. For now we will have to agree to disagree.
@ HF
Why I find SlOosh scummy? Part of it is in the initial post you found scummy and I explained it, I didn't like that entrance, excessively trolly in an atmosphere I tried to make more serious and constructive.
Another part is in one of my posts I asked SlOosh to comment on, where SlOosh misrepresents my play in a negative light.
And the slightly paranoid feeling that you came in to chainsaw defend SlOosh when I called out his post, and are buddies in silence, given that you seemed to cover each other and both ended up kinda leaving me on the backfire when the heat got up. This is the most subjective point and I don't expect many to understand it since they don't have the perspective I do of the whole exchange.
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Another part is in one of my posts I asked SlOosh to comment on
EBWOP:
Another part is in one of my posts I asked Kush to comment on
Still waiting for that btw.
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On July 31 2014 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Vivax just called 10 people "possibly scum". 
Could be scum but how can I tell cause he's not playing: Yamato, sinani. MM1, fuba, goodkarma
Do you have any way to exclude these guys from the scumpool or is the quoted comment just the useless remark it appears to be.
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On July 31 2014 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 01:00 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Vivax just called 10 people "possibly scum". Could be scum but how can I tell cause he's not playing: Yamato, sinani. MM1, fuba, goodkarma Do you have any way to exclude these guys from the scumpool or is the quoted comment just the useless remark it appears to be. no but it does not mean they are scum. and there is no reason to talk about them. they will play when they will. if not we lynch them on D1.
Did I say they are scum, as in scummy and did I make attempts to talk about the little they've done?
How does my comment differ in any way from the statement you just made when I simply said that they could be scum but we have no way of knowing?
Your indirect comment is now confirmed baseless hostility, if you wanna say that what I did was scummy have the balls to say it.
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JAT tell me more how you feel about me saying that it might be indicative of you being scum when you look at people so critically I townread rather quickly.
Do you think this reasoning is scummy or do you understand where I come from, regardless of whether I'm wrong or not.
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Rayn is already scum for attacking me for non-reasons with such cowardice.
Kill me tonight or I'll duel you.
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On July 31 2014 01:27 slOosh wrote:
Like, the reasons are invalid as applied to you or invalid in totality?
Why do you ask me, you can simply read them and give your own opinion as to why rayn would call something out and then say he has the same opinion as me.
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There was no townie motivation behind saying something like that, unless he has fun discrediting me for no reason as town, which is something I highly doubt.
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JAT gets a townread for one of his recent reactions, but I still prefer not to scumread Damdred as of now.
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On July 31 2014 01:47 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 01:33 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 01:27 slOosh wrote:
Like, the reasons are invalid as applied to you or invalid in totality? Why do you ask me, you can simply read them and give your own opinion as to why rayn would call something out and then say he has the same opinion as me. Because Vivax, I've gathered that we have very different playstyles and I'm trying to understand where you are coming from. Additionally, I'm trying to be on the same page so that when you say "non-reasons", if you are referring to a specific post, or all his posts generally etc. No I don't think rayn is "attacking" you as you put it. He merely said that you are calling, who he thinks should be null, possible scum. It's a difference in interpretation in something I think is alignment null.
Oh my god, semantics city, they're just as null to me, and that's why they're possible scum. And rayn points at me saying "Oh look at how many possible scum this guy got" which can in no way be townie motivated since he has the same opinion as me regarding these guys, so he plucked me out for no reason.
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On July 31 2014 01:55 ritoky wrote:
tick tock motherfuckers.
seeing a lot of posting, and not much scum reading; plz step it up.
HF and rayn. Happy? In the end it's you who has to pick the scumreads and not others so it just looks like a lot of acting you're putting up. But it is welcome since it gives us the illusion that today there's gonna be a lynch.
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I won't answer that question cause I don't read him as town, like you are implying cause I didn't put him into the list. He's null for the moment but did enough for me to not put him among the people not doing anything, and at least gave some opinions on the matters at hand, marv isn't the guy I feel confident reading early on anyway.
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Aaaand I answered that question before even realizing it.
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On July 31 2014 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You literally made a list where you call out possibly scum and lurkers who are also possibly scum. There is no reason marv should be on the "lurkers" list. None. If you make a list like you did you consider all the people and put them into categories.
Which means -> everyone not on that list are town for you because there is not another category possible.
And where is my mafia agenda in all of this? That list post was a spontaneous courtesy to tell the thread where I stand, if I didn't include marv for reasons that are my reasons and transparent enough for everyone to see, then you still have to tell me how what I did was scummy. All you're saying is "You didn't have good reasons to not include marv herpaderp", what you aren't saying is how specifically this is supposed to make me scum. Is marv my scumbuddy and I'm trying to keep my hands off of him? Cause that would be the closest you would have to a real reason for scumreading me for what I did or did not.
When will you have the balls to call me scum and announce a duel, scumrayn?
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On July 31 2014 03:12 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You literally made a list where you call out possibly scum and lurkers who are also possibly scum. There is no reason marv should be on the "lurkers" list. None. If you make a list like you did you consider all the people and put them into categories.
Which means -> everyone not on that list are town for you because there is not another category possible. And where is my mafia agenda in all of this? That list post was a spontaneous courtesy to tell the thread where I stand, if I didn't include marv for reasons that are my reasons and transparent enough for everyone to see, then you still have to tell me how what I did was scummy. All you're saying is "You didn't have good reasons to not include marv herpaderp", what you aren't saying is how specifically this is supposed to make me scum. Is marv my scumbuddy and I'm trying to keep my hands off of him? Cause that would be the closest you would have to a real reason for scumreading me for what I did or did not. When will you have the balls to call me scum and announce a duel, scumrayn?
On July 31 2014 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In case you haven't noticed i am calling you scum. I have no reason to push any duels until the last hours of D1. wtf is that shit Vivax?
^ my post. Rayn's answer.
Only answers to the last line, bolded, regardless of a perfectly logical explanation to what I did.
This tells us how much he's interested into the actual arguments as opposed to just playing the part of fake scumreading me.
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On July 31 2014 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am saying you are either afraid to put marv into your "contribute or die" pile or you are scum with him. I don't see any other reason to make the list you did and not include him, because he literally has not said anything worth anything.
Also can you answer JAT?
He's null for the moment but did enough for me to not put him among the people not doing anything, and at least gave some opinions on the matters at hand, marv isn't the guy I feel confident reading early on anyway.
This is my explanation. Judge for yourself if it's worth being accepted.
And to display the hypocrisy in rain's argumentation, here's the list he used to enter the thread:
On July 30 2014 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Food break.
Cava supertown
Vivax seems scummy
Sloosh town
Holyflare likely town
kush might be town
justanothertownie could be mafia
Palmar's reads are terrible
kush very likely town
Sloosh is supertown
Sloosh you're dumb Palmar's list is meaningless and dumb
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On July 31 2014 03:20 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 03:12 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You literally made a list where you call out possibly scum and lurkers who are also possibly scum. There is no reason marv should be on the "lurkers" list. None. If you make a list like you did you consider all the people and put them into categories.
Which means -> everyone not on that list are town for you because there is not another category possible. And where is my mafia agenda in all of this? That list post was a spontaneous courtesy to tell the thread where I stand, if I didn't include marv for reasons that are my reasons and transparent enough for everyone to see, then you still have to tell me how what I did was scummy. All you're saying is "You didn't have good reasons to not include marv herpaderp", what you aren't saying is how specifically this is supposed to make me scum. Is marv my scumbuddy and I'm trying to keep my hands off of him? Cause that would be the closest you would have to a real reason for scumreading me for what I did or did not. Let's just assume I am too dumb to see the reasons that are transparent. Would you tell me?
If anything you're too dumb to see I'm town for all the other shit I did, so I'm not going to explicate it further and just let you do your own thing. Pick a side tomorrow when I call for a rayn vs me or a HF vs me and don't bother me further.
I didn't include marv cause he did more than all the other people I included as not doing anything, the reason is that simple. I've seen posts and opinions from marv, I didn't see them from the others. Period, now stop giving more importance to rayn's awful arguments than they deserve.
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As for rayn's hypocrisy: He comes into the thread with a list of utterly unexplained reads, but feels confident enough to scumread me for one missing read in one list post of mine, and even when I explain why he still scumreads me.
That is another reason for rayn being scum.
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On July 31 2014 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
Why is everything so cut and dry with you vivax
Take the stick out of your butt.
That's my townie meta. I didn't call myself the drill sergeant for no reason, it's precisely cause I'm cut and dry as town, go into detail with most stuff, try to take matters into my own hand, and am very confrontational and active.
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That's why I can proudly say of myself to have won a lylo recently and have led a lynch on a mafia CR. I wasn't the guy realizing that he was mafia first, but I was the guy getting people to look at him and change their opinions.
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