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On July 30 2014 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Food break.
Cava supertown
Vivax seems scummy
Sloosh town
Holyflare likely town
kush might be town
justanothertownie could be mafia
Palmar's reads are terrible
kush very likely town
Sloosh is supertown
Sloosh you're dumb Palmar's list is meaningless and dumb
You mean like this one?
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On July 30 2014 20:13 ritoky wrote:
here's the deal everyone, i been bread crumbing a bit; but it's time to let everybody in on this shiz.
i have a bomb strapped to my chest, and it goes off at dawn. it cannot be roleblocked and it goes through protections. lucky for me, i get to bring one of you find gentlemen down with me.
i just wanted some good food, jovial atmosphere, and a little alcohol to celebrate my last night on this planet.
Here is my charge to every single person in the game: I want your top 2 candidates of whom should blow up with me and why.
Oh and the clock is ticking, we got just under 11 hours until I go off.
Don't make me RNG this.
You can bomb rayn and damdred for all I care. Alternatively just choose the lurker you dislike the most.
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On July 30 2014 22:36 Vivax wrote:
If I were to make an early call on Damdred I'd say that he looks like he always did and thus probably town , with a style that makes him somehow suspicious for TL standards for some reason. Not confident enough in giving a definite read but I wouldn't call him scummy.
Not so sure about Jat cause he sees scummy things where I wouldn't expect them, Obi first, now Damdred and I'd like to hear more of his reasoning since his conclusions seem so much different from mine.
Could be indicative of him not knowing what to do while trying to stay active as scum since he stopped talking about setup stuff, so he kind of looks for scum in places where townies already put a checkmark in a box, I happened to do that as scum and then ended up harvesting wtfs for scumreading people everyone else is townreading.
I'm just putting this out there cause I don't feel confident in scumreading jat just for this, I think it is noteworthy and am curious about the responses.
Next topic, since SlOosh wondered for what reasons I scumread HF:
HF is a very aggressive scum player and I was amazed at how many cases he was able to crank out in GSL I think, where he carried us to victory while smurfing. I was like "Wow how do you manage to make up so much bullshit about people". "Just gotta find the scum motives in plays".
Key to reading him is following: If he only posts stuff that only takes account of scum motives, and tries to paint things in the worst light possible, and doesn't try to clear townies on the way, he's likely scum. Forget activity, forget insecurity, these are not criteria for reading him.
So the reason I called him scum was precisely cause he didn't just try to figure me out, he called me mafia and said that my post must have been scum motivated, way too early in the day, later he backtracked saying that for him the point was all about me picking the SlOosh post, and suddenly he was fine.
This doesn't make sense cause even then, all the points about me sidetracking, and the post looking scum tryhard, should still stand for him regardless of me picking SlOosh's post.
So HF can definitely be one of the scum we're looking for. But currently I'm not willing to talk to him cause I don't want this thread to become unreadable.
Please tell me in detail how you are able to put a checkmark in the damdred = town box. I am listening. I already said why I don't like his posts. He doesn't seem to be saying anything of value - posting for the sake of posting. Looks like a new scum player that doesn't know what to do and how to insert himself in the thread. If that is what he does as town then we will have to wait what he does next but I don't see how you anyone could townread him for the posts he made so far. I really don't.
I stand by my Obi observation btw. although he seems pretty towny lately.
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On July 30 2014 22:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 22:46 justanothertownie wrote:On July 30 2014 22:36 Vivax wrote:
If I were to make an early call on Damdred I'd say that he looks like he always did and thus probably town , with a style that makes him somehow suspicious for TL standards for some reason. Not confident enough in giving a definite read but I wouldn't call him scummy.
Not so sure about Jat cause he sees scummy things where I wouldn't expect them, Obi first, now Damdred and I'd like to hear more of his reasoning since his conclusions seem so much different from mine.
Could be indicative of him not knowing what to do while trying to stay active as scum since he stopped talking about setup stuff, so he kind of looks for scum in places where townies already put a checkmark in a box, I happened to do that as scum and then ended up harvesting wtfs for scumreading people everyone else is townreading.
I'm just putting this out there cause I don't feel confident in scumreading jat just for this, I think it is noteworthy and am curious about the responses.
Next topic, since SlOosh wondered for what reasons I scumread HF:
HF is a very aggressive scum player and I was amazed at how many cases he was able to crank out in GSL I think, where he carried us to victory while smurfing. I was like "Wow how do you manage to make up so much bullshit about people". "Just gotta find the scum motives in plays".
Key to reading him is following: If he only posts stuff that only takes account of scum motives, and tries to paint things in the worst light possible, and doesn't try to clear townies on the way, he's likely scum. Forget activity, forget insecurity, these are not criteria for reading him.
So the reason I called him scum was precisely cause he didn't just try to figure me out, he called me mafia and said that my post must have been scum motivated, way too early in the day, later he backtracked saying that for him the point was all about me picking the SlOosh post, and suddenly he was fine.
This doesn't make sense cause even then, all the points about me sidetracking, and the post looking scum tryhard, should still stand for him regardless of me picking SlOosh's post.
So HF can definitely be one of the scum we're looking for. But currently I'm not willing to talk to him cause I don't want this thread to become unreadable. Please tell me in detail how you are able to put a checkmark in the damdred = town box. I am listening. I already said why I don't like his posts. He doesn't seem to be saying anything of value - posting for the sake of posting. Looks like a new scum player that doesn't know what to do and how to insert himself in the thread. If that is what he does as town then we will have to wait what he does next but I don't see how you anyone could townread him for the posts he made so far. I really don't. I stand by my Obi observation btw. although he seems pretty towny lately. I am not able to put that checkmark confidently, but I'm not able to scumread him either cause I don't feel the posts he made are just there to make him look like he's talking. He posted stuff he seems to care about, and even though it can be summarized as 1. setup opinion, 2. opinion on me and HF, 3. opinion on Obi and 4. telling batsnacks to calm down, I have the feeling that those are simply the topics he's caring and interested about and not just some scum trying to look like he's active. That said I'd tentatively lean town on Damdred.
He wasn't even able to explain his "set up opinion" and ignored me regarding it - can you? His opinion on you and HF is like the easiest thing to give and has been given by other people before - the same goes for Obi it seems. Telling batsnacks to calm down is also obvious and not alignment indicative.
I could understand a nullread on him if this fits his meta but I can't accept a townread. Why can't he do this as scum?
Besides rayn complaining and answering a "dumb list" with a dumb list without any other contribution he is easily the scummiest player that really has posted so far in my opinion.
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On July 30 2014 23:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 23:16 justanothertownie wrote:On July 30 2014 22:54 Vivax wrote:On July 30 2014 22:46 justanothertownie wrote:On July 30 2014 22:36 Vivax wrote:
If I were to make an early call on Damdred I'd say that he looks like he always did and thus probably town , with a style that makes him somehow suspicious for TL standards for some reason. Not confident enough in giving a definite read but I wouldn't call him scummy.
Not so sure about Jat cause he sees scummy things where I wouldn't expect them, Obi first, now Damdred and I'd like to hear more of his reasoning since his conclusions seem so much different from mine.
Could be indicative of him not knowing what to do while trying to stay active as scum since he stopped talking about setup stuff, so he kind of looks for scum in places where townies already put a checkmark in a box, I happened to do that as scum and then ended up harvesting wtfs for scumreading people everyone else is townreading.
I'm just putting this out there cause I don't feel confident in scumreading jat just for this, I think it is noteworthy and am curious about the responses.
Next topic, since SlOosh wondered for what reasons I scumread HF:
HF is a very aggressive scum player and I was amazed at how many cases he was able to crank out in GSL I think, where he carried us to victory while smurfing. I was like "Wow how do you manage to make up so much bullshit about people". "Just gotta find the scum motives in plays".
Key to reading him is following: If he only posts stuff that only takes account of scum motives, and tries to paint things in the worst light possible, and doesn't try to clear townies on the way, he's likely scum. Forget activity, forget insecurity, these are not criteria for reading him.
So the reason I called him scum was precisely cause he didn't just try to figure me out, he called me mafia and said that my post must have been scum motivated, way too early in the day, later he backtracked saying that for him the point was all about me picking the SlOosh post, and suddenly he was fine.
This doesn't make sense cause even then, all the points about me sidetracking, and the post looking scum tryhard, should still stand for him regardless of me picking SlOosh's post.
So HF can definitely be one of the scum we're looking for. But currently I'm not willing to talk to him cause I don't want this thread to become unreadable. Please tell me in detail how you are able to put a checkmark in the damdred = town box. I am listening. I already said why I don't like his posts. He doesn't seem to be saying anything of value - posting for the sake of posting. Looks like a new scum player that doesn't know what to do and how to insert himself in the thread. If that is what he does as town then we will have to wait what he does next but I don't see how you anyone could townread him for the posts he made so far. I really don't. I stand by my Obi observation btw. although he seems pretty towny lately. I am not able to put that checkmark confidently, but I'm not able to scumread him either cause I don't feel the posts he made are just there to make him look like he's talking. He posted stuff he seems to care about, and even though it can be summarized as 1. setup opinion, 2. opinion on me and HF, 3. opinion on Obi and 4. telling batsnacks to calm down, I have the feeling that those are simply the topics he's caring and interested about and not just some scum trying to look like he's active. That said I'd tentatively lean town on Damdred. He wasn't even able to explain his "set up opinion" and ignored me regarding it - can you? His opinion on you and HF is like the easiest thing to give and has been given by other people before - the same goes for Obi it seems. Telling batsnacks to calm down is also obvious and not alignment indicative. I could understand a nullread on him if this fits his meta but I can't accept a townread. Why can't he do this as scum? Besides rayn complaining and answering a "dumb list" with a dumb list without any other contribution he is easily the scummiest player that really has posted so far in my opinion. I don't know Damdred's scum meta, he never rolled it, but I can tell that this game he doesn't look different from the others, and as said, it's somehow of a gut read based on the topics he chooses and how he talks about them. Don't really think I can persuade you further than this with more objective arguments, but if you find anything scummy besides "tries to post a lot in a scummy way", which is just as subjective, feel free to tell me about it. For now we will have to agree to disagree.
I am not saying he is trying to post a lot. I am saying he has a hard time with posting anything at all which is more often than not a scum trait. You can't convince me "further" with objective arguments. Ok, I did not see any objective argument by you on this matter tbh. and I think this defense and to scumread me for attacking him is absolutely unwarranted.
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On July 31 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is most likely not mafia.
Oh, that is good to know. Why?
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On July 31 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:35 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is most likely not mafia. Oh, that is good to know. Why? Because he always looks scummy. There is nothing he has said that makes him mafia. He is new (i think?) and i would think he would look REALLY scummy in case he actually was scum. nvm i changed my mind you are probably town too.
In other words he is null. Fine whatever, I will reserve further judgement until he posts some more.
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On July 31 2014 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 00:35 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is most likely not mafia. Oh, that is good to know. Why? Because he always looks scummy. There is nothing he has said that makes him mafia. He is new (i think?) and i would think he would look REALLY scummy in case he actually was scum. nvm i changed my mind you are probably town too. In other words he is null. Fine whatever, I will reserve further judgement until he posts some more. No i really do think he is town. At least he has given some reads which i would not expect him to do as mafia regardless of Holyflare's & Vivax' alignments. That's not how i think new mafia would talk about the situation. Do you think there is any way why Palmar as town calls Vivax town?
He should answer that question himself. It is not like he explained his reads in great detail so I don't really know.
But he said he liked how Vivax was "fluidly" participating and he seemed to agree with his opinion on the set up discussion (even directed me to a post of Vivax).
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On July 31 2014 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Setup discussion is useless and boring. Scum want to discuss the setup because you don't need to actually say anything game related. That's why i originally scumread you.
I agree - if someone only talks about the setup that is scummy but you will have to tell that to Palmar. I just told you what he said about Vivax so far. And to be fair Vivax did not only talk about the setup.
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On July 31 2014 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:59 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 00:35 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is most likely not mafia. Oh, that is good to know. Why? Because he always looks scummy. There is nothing he has said that makes him mafia. He is new (i think?) and i would think he would look REALLY scummy in case he actually was scum. nvm i changed my mind you are probably town too. In other words he is null. Fine whatever, I will reserve further judgement until he posts some more. No i really do think he is town. At least he has given some reads which i would not expect him to do as mafia regardless of Holyflare's & Vivax' alignments. That's not how i think new mafia would talk about the situation. Do you think there is any way why Palmar as town calls Vivax town? He should answer that question himself. It is not like he explained his reads in great detail so I don't really know. But he said he liked how Vivax was "fluidly" participating and he seemed to agree with his opinion on the set up discussion (even directed me to a post of Vivax). JAT i don't like this answer because i asked YOU, right now, to answer this.
Yes, and I answered in the very post you are quoting. What the hell?
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I will not defend Palmar if that is what you want. He could be anything right now.
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On July 31 2014 01:12 Vivax wrote:
JAT tell me more how you feel about me saying that it might be indicative of you being scum when you look at people so critically I townread rather quickly.
Do you think this reasoning is scummy or do you understand where I come from, regardless of whether I'm wrong or not.
What kind of question is that. Of course it is understandable to think that people who attack townreads might be scummy if you are town. I am questioning your reasoning on the townread. I think townreading damdred "quickly" makes no sense at all.
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On July 31 2014 01:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
@Ritoky, i was reading through the thread, and had you as either scum or a power role ^^
I would probably put JAT as someone who i would potentially blow up, when asked for a suggestion on who to blow up, he told you to just choose the lurker you hate the most. Theres 10 pages of thread responses, and instead of taking a guess at someone who he thinks is playing scummy, he goes with a play that imo is too safe. From my perspective its a mafia who is trying to get a mislynch on someone, without coming off as scummy.
as for my second person to hit, i would choose someone from the lurkers ^^
huehuehue
This guy is confirmed not reading closely.
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I gave ritoky the name of 2 people that I thought were scummy before saying that. Did you just not read my post or are you willingly talking nonsense?
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I can't get over how incredibly awful that post is. Holy shit.
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On July 31 2014 01:47 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Well, I think damdred is town based off the previous game i've played with him, and i believe the only reason you don't like rayn is because he told you damdred was ton. I don't agree with either of the people on your scum list.
You are saying that now but in your last post you claimed that I had not given any scumreads. So what is it? You are lying.
Apart from that my scumread on rayn was not because of what you said as is clearly seen in my filter.
Why is rayn town? And more importantly - why was rayn town when I made that post?
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On July 31 2014 01:55 ritoky wrote:
tick tock motherfuckers.
seeing a lot of posting, and not much scum reading; plz step it up.
You can add MM to the list. Guy made a read, was caught in a lie and then changed his reasoning after the fact with more lies.
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Like I wasn't even the first one to say shoot a lurker.
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On July 31 2014 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 01:33 slOosh wrote:
rayn, why do you think sinani town, and what do you think of JAT? I think sinani would not goto "fuck you all - see you tomorrow" mode as mafia. JAT would not call me scum as mafia.
This is surprisingly accurate.
On July 31 2014 02:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Like I wasn't even the first one to say shoot a lurker. Did you read MM1's last game?
Why would I need to do that? It's cut and dry - he fabricated reasons for scumreading me after I called him out for lying.
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On July 31 2014 02:15 ritoky wrote:regardless of if his claim about having time is true or not, do you believe he would try that little as mafia?
Yamato is famous for not trying as mafia.
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