On July 24 2014 12:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Actually, I want to know why Vivax started to scumread me.

His filter indicates that he had a townread on me for the majority of the day and then kind of changed his mind for no reason.

The time it looked like you were lurking the thread and displayed that shitty attitude.

Vivax

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July 24 2014 06:20 GMT

#975

Besides I'm not sure yet whether I should scumread you but that one gave me a bad impression.

Vivax

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July 24 2014 07:36 GMT

#987

On July 24 2014 16:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You were one of the people instigating my "bad attitude" you dingus.

You can't talk down to someone and then scumread them when they get mad at you. That doesn't make any sense. That's like scumreading the sun for being bright.

And it's not even like having a bad attitude is alignment indicative. What a load of nonsense.

I want to know why "lurking" and "bad attitude" overrode every single other piece of information you brought into the thread regarding how you were reading me.

No, I didn't even attack you cause I was previously going with my own expalnation for why you were looking more townie, precisely cause you seemed carefree. At some point, you got all bitchy at others doing that, and simply played as if you were lurking the thread, stating that there was nothing worth discussing for you. That's also when I started instigating, cause I was curious how you would react to being accused of being so defeatist and careless about what was happening in the thread.

General feeling of your postings at the time is that you were just trying to stick to a minimum. Now it seems you're starting to go all out. If you keep pushing me I'll consider scumreading you cause it's so outlandish though.

What I find odd is that you don't talk about Xatalos when he's one of the main wagons going, so it's time for you to pick a side or at least openly say you don't want to, cause if your intention is to push me as scumread, then it's about time you start convincing other guys who are of other opinion, and you can only do that if you have your own.

As for what I think of Xata: He's very laid back given that there's a wagon rolling with good chance of success and I have yet to see a strong will to win in his play. His attempts to call GB scum were shot down, and he didn't play my little game where he had to try to agree with me on GB's biggish post looking townie. So yeah, definitely not headstrong play, rather resigned, and I wouldn't mind putting my vote on him at the end of the day.

Vivax

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July 24 2014 07:37 GMT

#988

On July 24 2014 16:20 Teemursu wrote:

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Who's telling you if you should or shouldn't?

Myself.

Vivax

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July 24 2014 07:40 GMT

#990

And when I mean scumreading you, then I mean definitely. I'm willing to let you develop on your own given that you seem very sensitive when confronted with pressure given your past misplays and that makes it hard to tell when you become demoralized as town or as scum.

You're used to getting pushed D1 and that makes you vulnerable to behaving scummy as either alignment in that case.

When you actually do something of your own, unpressured, displaying you truly care, that's when I will feel confident reading you (as town). Or if you don't, then as scum.

Vivax

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July 24 2014 08:19 GMT

#993

On July 24 2014 16:49 Teemursu wrote:

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Point is, there shouldn't be any should or shouldn't. you either do or you don't.

Incorrect, I reserve myself the right to be unsure how to read a guy.

Vivax

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July 24 2014 08:42 GMT

#995

On July 24 2014 17:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:

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Above: others being carefree. This is clearly not me being bitchy at others for being carefree, but for pressuring me for no goddamn reason for the bajillionth time.

Though I'll admit that your last two posts look okay. I can see we don't see "eye-to-eye" a lot of the time because I still disagree with some of what you're saying, but I don't think that makes you scum. I'll probably sleep on this read and be back before EoD.

Xatalos looks pretty dead with/without my input, but the last couple of posts I got from him seemed okay, I guess. Maybe I'm biased because he wasn't trying to murder me. Not a read I'd be super confident in pushing, at any rate.

I don't get why you think "will to win" is something that determines alignment, though. Elaborate pls.

Will to win means that you show effort in either defending yourself or arguing why somebody else is a better lynch than you.
The feeling I get from Xata is that he doesn't seem all that concerned in that regard, which is why I perceive him as resigned. I don't want a wagon on me when I'm town and will fight it unless I really get angry and think that town is too stupid anyway for me to argue against it.
That's not the feeling I get from Xata. It's more like he talks about a bit of this and that without seeming too focused on the important issues, and when I'm town a wagon on me is an important issue in my opinion.

With things like these the trick, or jist, is to decide whether it's just an individual playstyle difference and the guy is town, or a scummy mindset.

If I take a look at this post for example:

On July 24 2014 08:30 Xatalos wrote:
I haven't really been too productive so far, that's true. And the stuff with "attention whoring" and the like... :D:D:D That's a pretty far-fetched reasoning of finding me scum.

And the followup I see that he shows interest into CR afterwards, asks him a good question actually (nested):

On July 24 2014 09:10 Chairman Ray wrote:

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That's not exactly my read on you and Koshi, and furthermore it's pointless to discuss now.

Why are you interested in my other reads?

And thinking about it, I don't want to decide on Xata before this is answered cause it's a really good point. I don't think Koshi looks good in spite of having so much activity, most of it was really worthless talk about mechanics and claims in the beginning, later he spent time writing taunts more than explaining why I should be scum to the thread.

I think the task now is to find out 1. If Xatalos is scum and 2. If not, who on the wagon could be scum and 3. getting this question out of the way cause CR scumread Xata for connection stuff and kept his scumread up in a way I'm not sure is genuine.

Vivax

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July 24 2014 08:43 GMT

#996

So yeah, in that last post I actually feel like we should have some reservations on whether Xata is scum and not just let things take its course with his lynch before putting the spotlight on some of the guys pushing it.

And that's where you can show us some thougts of yours Obi.

Vivax

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July 24 2014 08:45 GMT

#997

Aaaand I'm still open to the idea of lynching Koshi, be my guest if you feel like joining me in my efforts and do some analysis on him for yourself. Most people I talked to about him seemed to see the him vs me thingy as a secondary issue (Rayn and Teemu).

Vivax

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July 24 2014 09:12 GMT

#1001

Your task now Xata is to tell us if you think your wagon is scum pushed and who on the wagon is scum, or if you think scum didn't join it yet.

Vivax

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July 24 2014 09:26 GMT

#1004

On July 24 2014 18:20 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Let's lynch Vivax.

You've been doing nothing but rehashing the same thing over and over again, you can't seriously hope that anybody should take you seriously for sounding like a recorded tape.

Vivax

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July 24 2014 09:29 GMT

#1005

Yea I agree on Damdred, plus the general low activity. Feels like a guy avoiding spotlight.

Vivax

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July 24 2014 09:29 GMT

#1006

Doesn't really seem all that interested into you after he posted that thing.