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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 21:49 GMT
#2876
On July 27 2014 06:46 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 06:42 Xatalos wrote:
On July 27 2014 06:34 batsnacks wrote:
20 pages of filter and you're asking people to make cases for you.


You managed to shoot rayn so I'll refrain from further insults. I'll just mention that your read on me sucks and getting stuck on it will hinder you from finding actual scum. And making posts like that is in no way helpful to that goal.


If you were to say "your read sucks because <reason>" I might listen, but probably not. In case... Not listening.


If you knew my meta you would understand. I've never posted even nearly this much as scum. And I don't really spam as scum either, I prefer to make more well thought-out posts.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 21:50 GMT
#2877
On July 27 2014 06:49 batsnacks wrote:
I have no idea what the votes are or even how much time is left.


There's like 17h left or something I think. No idea about the votes.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 21:55 GMT
#2881
If you don't believe my word, look yourself.

Town Xatalos: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445063-handslaps-and-fisticuff-a-pyp-mini?user=Xatalos

Scum Xatalos: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/436388-ii-titanic-mini-mafia?user=Xatalos

My filter in that scum game is relatively long because a part of it is joke spam after I claimed scum and also it's a longer game than the town game I linked.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 22:07 GMT
#2883
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"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 22:08 GMT
#2884
Also you might note that my activity drops significantly as scum after D1.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 22:19 GMT
#2887
On July 27 2014 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:46 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:37 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... I'm starting to think that Vivax might be town after all. He's stayed pretty active and involved for a while now.


Since there's not much else I currently feel like talking about, here's the mistake I happen to do as scum:

I am capable of looking town just by my posts, but at some point I'll get the feeling my options run out, or/and I become lazy and uninvolved in general business. This happens at some point after D1, most of the time. Afking for a prolonged time ends up as a death sentence, now that the forum knows the way I play town.

It's pretty clear that I started this game with posts that are openly abrasive, disinterested or exeptionally trolly. I just want to try out new stuff rather than going straight to business and arguing the way I do now that I have more to work with.

Hi rayn! Heading for the biggest filter I hope.


Just lol'ed reading this in his filter.


LOL me too :D Thanks for the laugh hahahaha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 22:22 GMT
#2888
Hm...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 22:28 GMT
#2889
On July 27 2014 07:16 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 07:08 Xatalos wrote:
Also you might note that my activity drops significantly as scum after D1.


Its really hard for me not to vote for you right now Xatalos. All your posts that say why you can't be scum and talk of your townyness just makes me feel every time you are more scum.

Ok Xatalos, I really need you to work with me here if you are town, I trust Koshi and hes reading you as town even though I think you are scum.

You have soft pushed people your filter doesn't have any hard reads or evidence and only a couple of soft cases. Mostly against me, help me out here Xatalos.

Who do you really want to lynch today and why? If its me you pick thats fine


Truthfully there isn't a single player that I would "really want to lynch" atm. For a moment I thought that batsnacks might really be scum but he was just a blue (which kind of explains the weirdness from him). Now... I just don't know.

My hope is that with this many confirmed townies we can simply win through process of elimination and calculated removal of the potential scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 07:44 GMT
#2923
I think VA is scum or VT. If he was a blue, he wouldn't be so resigned to die and he probably wouldn't do these odd plays anyways.

batsnacks, did you look at my earlier games?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 07:49 GMT
#2928
Vivax, where did you towny earlier self disappear to?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 07:53 GMT
#2932
This is scum Vivax: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/423047-got-mafia-lords-and-liars?user=Vivax

Now compare his activity and overall interest in what happens in the thread to this game.

Granted it looks like Vivax stopped caring at some point around the start of D2 :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 07:58 GMT
#2935
This is what iamperfection said about Vivax in that game:

"Vivax- so i reread what he posted after i told him i think he is scum. Fucker still has not had a single strong push the entire game. vivax should be leading the town or fighting me if im wrong about sompething he simply does not care what is going on and isnt trying to catch scum. He does this because he is scum"
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 08:03 GMT
#2938
Actually I meant that his activity and interest in the game has been pretty different from his scumgame. It's just that I don't really like how he's been D2. Or early D1 for that matter.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 08:37 GMT
#2962
On July 27 2014 17:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Dude, a simple look at my meta reveals that I've survived past day 1 less than 50% of the time, and it's always because town decides to shove its head up its ass and kill me right off the bat.

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 17:03 Xatalos wrote:
Actually I meant that his activity and interest in the game has been pretty different from his scumgame. It's just that I don't really like how he's been D2. Or early D1 for that matter.


I don't see it, I think he's been acting scummy and I don't get his angle at all. Do you disagree?


Just saying that I'm having difficulty imagining scum Vivax playing like he's played late D1 -> N1. Activity + participation in the discussion etc. I disagree that he's played like his last scumgame I remember at least.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 08:39 GMT
#2965
On July 27 2014 17:08 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 17:03 Xatalos wrote:
Actually I meant that his activity and interest in the game has been pretty different from his scumgame. It's just that I don't really like how he's been D2. Or early D1 for that matter.


Yea but you also have to realize that if I'm able to look perfectly town whenever the fuck I want, then I have no reason to endanger an otherwise perfectly scumgame with the stuff I've been doing early D1, or now that I'm claiming scum for lulz.

This can be wifom if you look at it, but if you look at it rationally you will also have to realize that I could easily keep the appereance you find townie up when most are content with a vayne lynch anyway.

And yet as scum I decide to pop in and start trolling people cause...reasons?

Rationalize me this.


I think someone mentioned that you often start to lose interest in the game and start lurking at some point as scum though? That's why I'm a bit concerned atm. Not really enough to vote for you though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 08:58 GMT
#2968
You're dead, shut up.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 09:00 GMT
#2970
Btw I'd laugh if it was marv+Vivax :D hahahaha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 09:15 GMT
#2972
That was in response to someone (Koshi?) saying "if you lynch Xatalos before marv, you disrespect marv". And I agree.

I don't really know HF that well. He hasn't done anything especially good/noticeable though and been kind of "hiding" as was said. Dunno, I don't feel that good about him.

I'm still grateful to marv for being the biggest factor in saving me D1, and I don't think he's a good choice for today's lynch for various reasons that I already expressed. And I'd still lean on town marv for a couple of reasons. 1) As scum marv generally feels responsible to his team and focuses a lot on directing the flow of the game. He hasn't really been a driving force in this game. 2) Scum marv is pretty aggressive and eagerly goes for mislynches from what I've seen. This marv, on the other hand, has felt pretty indecisive and unsure, which I think is more in line with town marv. And I somehow don't feel like he would have put effort into saving me as scum when I could have been easily lynched with his support (and he wouldn't really have gotten flak for it when everyone else wanted to lynch me as well).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 10:07 GMT
#2975
It's possible that scum marv would do that. It still seems more likely from town marv. Plus I somehow don't feel like scum marv would let things develop to a point where he's cornered this much since he prides in his scum play. I think his scum winrate is something ridiculous like 95%?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 13:46 GMT
#2999
Now that you mention it, CR made that big case on me D1 where he painted everything in a scummy way (even if it was really just null material). Similarly he painted VA as clear scum even though the case on him isn't truly that strong. It could be scum coming up with reads and then justifying them with whatever he finds in their filter. In any case I think one of VA/CR is probably scum, but not both.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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