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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 19:41 GMT
#2820
I'd guess HF
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 19:42 GMT
#2822
He also didn't sign it with "Chopin"
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 19:44 GMT
#2826
HF, could you show us something to make us believe in you? Even my belief is starting to waver. What we need now is divine guidance.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 19:47 GMT
#2829
Tbh it's a bit unsettling that neither marv nor HF has done much to guide the game into a constructive direction :/ HF, you must redeem yourself.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 19:47 GMT
#2830
Scumreads? Townreads? Etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 19:48 GMT
#2832
Well, I guess you could say saving me was a constructive effort. But after that.... Not really much.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 19:51 GMT
#2833
On July 27 2014 04:30 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 04:24 Xatalos wrote:
On July 27 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2014 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2014 02:13 Koshi wrote:
Nha. afk 18 hours.

marv/VA


You are tunnelling. Really, you are.
Look, all we've got from those two are WIFOM scenarios. I find marv suspicious because he is not the aggressive marv I saw on vets vs juniors, but I don't know, I still believe he could be town. If you believe marv is hard defending Vayne, you also da believe that regarding Xatalos and if marv is scum, you have to admit that one of the. Is certainly town. You can use this argument against me because I said that Xatalos was being hard defended by possible scum, but this is only one of FIVE arguments not based on WIFOM.

Vayne's reason to lynch is WIFOM. Look, it all starts with "he fake claimed, so he is mafia". Then it goes to "but it is a bad move as mafia, so he is probably town". Then, "but marv and him probably made this so we think that they are both town when they are actually mafia". When you reach this level of thinking, you know it's WIFOM and that it's better to gather more information/search for actual facts than using this as the basis of a lynch.

I want to lynch into 3 people only:
Marv/VA/Xatalos

Both VA and Xatalos don't want to kill marv. Both VA and Xatalos want(ed) to kill each other.

The answer: Kill marv.


I think you should remove me and marv from today's lynch-list and look at other possibilities.

I've already explained why it's very risky to lynch marv today (huge loss if he's town, maybe even blue) and besides he's most likely absorbing a bullet tonight anyway. If not, then he has more time to use his analysis / role OR he'll be lynched for being alive / not really achieving much for that long. It's just better to postpone judgment on him.

As for me, well, I'm VT and I haven't really achieved that much yet. But it should be pretty evident from my play that this is not how I play scum. You only need to take a look at any of my scumgames. I never post freely in the thread whatever I'm thinking as scum.

THEN SHOW ME A BETTER LYNCH PLEASE.

Like really show it to me.

REALLY FUCKING make it obvious.


Because the only thing you do is sogt push me somewhere else and it annoys the living shit out of me because I think you are town.


Oh, and to this (forgot to post earlier):

I had a similar problem in Golden Sun where I just couldn't find great (or even decent) lynches. Although in that game it was made worse by the conversion mechanics. Here that problem doesn't exist, but I guess all the scum are pretty good at avoiding errors / blending in.

I don't think I can make a good case atm. There are various slightly suspicious posts by several people but nothing really truly stands out. At least in my opinion, at the moment. That's kind of why I'd want to the safe route and lynch someone like VA (okay chance of being scum, nothing lost if town).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 20:03 GMT
#2837
Good, good. More like this.

Btw ObiWan defended VA earlier and I think it makes him a bit more likely town. Basically limiting his options of mislynching for no real reason unless VA is his teammate.

Still not sure about VA, but I think he's null at best, and quite potentially scum. He's a lot more reserved than I've seen from his town play, plus he's made list posts that apparently fits his scum play..... Maybe.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 20:04 GMT
#2839
Hm. I guess VA+ObiWan could work as a potential team?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 20:10 GMT
#2843
On July 27 2014 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 04:51 Xatalos wrote:
On July 27 2014 04:30 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2014 04:24 Xatalos wrote:
On July 27 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2014 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2014 02:13 Koshi wrote:
Nha. afk 18 hours.

marv/VA


You are tunnelling. Really, you are.
Look, all we've got from those two are WIFOM scenarios. I find marv suspicious because he is not the aggressive marv I saw on vets vs juniors, but I don't know, I still believe he could be town. If you believe marv is hard defending Vayne, you also da believe that regarding Xatalos and if marv is scum, you have to admit that one of the. Is certainly town. You can use this argument against me because I said that Xatalos was being hard defended by possible scum, but this is only one of FIVE arguments not based on WIFOM.

Vayne's reason to lynch is WIFOM. Look, it all starts with "he fake claimed, so he is mafia". Then it goes to "but it is a bad move as mafia, so he is probably town". Then, "but marv and him probably made this so we think that they are both town when they are actually mafia". When you reach this level of thinking, you know it's WIFOM and that it's better to gather more information/search for actual facts than using this as the basis of a lynch.

I want to lynch into 3 people only:
Marv/VA/Xatalos

Both VA and Xatalos don't want to kill marv. Both VA and Xatalos want(ed) to kill each other.

The answer: Kill marv.


I think you should remove me and marv from today's lynch-list and look at other possibilities.

I've already explained why it's very risky to lynch marv today (huge loss if he's town, maybe even blue) and besides he's most likely absorbing a bullet tonight anyway. If not, then he has more time to use his analysis / role OR he'll be lynched for being alive / not really achieving much for that long. It's just better to postpone judgment on him.

As for me, well, I'm VT and I haven't really achieved that much yet. But it should be pretty evident from my play that this is not how I play scum. You only need to take a look at any of my scumgames. I never post freely in the thread whatever I'm thinking as scum.

THEN SHOW ME A BETTER LYNCH PLEASE.

Like really show it to me.

REALLY FUCKING make it obvious.


Because the only thing you do is sogt push me somewhere else and it annoys the living shit out of me because I think you are town.


Oh, and to this (forgot to post earlier):

I had a similar problem in Golden Sun where I just couldn't find great (or even decent) lynches. Although in that game it was made worse by the conversion mechanics. Here that problem doesn't exist, but I guess all the scum are pretty good at avoiding errors / blending in.

I don't think I can make a good case atm. There are various slightly suspicious posts by several people but nothing really truly stands out. At least in my opinion, at the moment. That's kind of why I'd want to the safe route and lynch someone like VA (okay chance of being scum, nothing lost if town).


This, a thousand times over this. I seriously don't get why people are pushing anything with certainty when there's not really a whole lot out there worth pushing. I feel like this VA lynch is kind of an excuse because, no matter what he flips, people will be glad he's gone.


This is true on some level. I wouldn't want to see him at LYLO regardless of his alignment. It's partly just a bonus that nothing makes him town really + most of the alive players are confirmed in some way = decent odds of getting a scum lynch even if the case on him isn't strong.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 20:11 GMT
#2844
On July 27 2014 05:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 05:04 Xatalos wrote:
Hm. I guess VA+ObiWan could work as a potential team?


Associative reads between unflipped players are dumb.


True (although that was just me thinking out loud)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 20:20 GMT
#2845
HF, you there?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 20:28 GMT
#2846
I really hope HF didn't just post that and leave :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 20:34 GMT
#2848
I really hope VA is scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 20:39 GMT
#2850
Right now I just feel like I don't know what to believe..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 21:32 GMT
#2862
On July 27 2014 06:02 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 05:20 Xatalos wrote:
HF, you there?


i'm here why?


Please enlighten us with a solid case of why someone is scum. That's quite a challenge, but if you can do it, I'll be happy.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 21:33 GMT
#2863
On July 27 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
HF just made a couple posts to make friends. Nothing he did was scumhunting.

The most suspicion he casted was on confirmed town Koshi.


To be fair he did suspect ObiWan.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 21:36 GMT
#2866
On July 27 2014 06:20 Koshi wrote:
Read all the posts HF made.

He really is suggesting the scumteam is the lynchbait people.



Look at the fucking night kills people.

marv not killed. Vivax + Koshi not killed. Xatalos not killed.


Do you think that makes sense with Obiwan + Damdred as scum?

They killed Palmar and Kush?


Could always be Medic dodging / blue sniping. I wouldn't call that as very strong evidence against marv/HF. I would certainly shoot marv regardless but it's a real mess of WIFOM.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 21:42 GMT
#2871
On July 27 2014 06:34 batsnacks wrote:
20 pages of filter and you're asking people to make cases for you.


You managed to shoot rayn so I'll refrain from further insults. I'll just mention that your read on me sucks and getting stuck on it will hinder you from finding actual scum. And making posts like that is in no way helpful to that goal.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 26 2014 21:46 GMT
#2874
On July 27 2014 06:41 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Dude, don't even fucking start. I was sick and you attacked me for that and called me scummy for it. I came back FULLY up to date because i gave a crap and you called me useless/trash/etc etc etc. You stopped me playing this game entirely when you ended up being a fucking towny. You spent all of day 1 being trash on Vivax and now you've completely dropped all semblance of that, only to continue attacking someone else who is town.


Please try to ignore Koshi and focus. You might well get lynched today and if you're town, it's not the time to pick fights.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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