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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 16:34 GMT
#2769
Well, let's see what marv has to say to this. I'm done defending him for now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 16:40 GMT
#2770
And yeah, if you think I'm scum, then you pretty much have to scumread marv as well. I don't think I could fool marv well enough as scum that he would 100% believe I'm town... Maybe next time if I focus all my effort into it. But I didn't even know Chopin was marv until later on this time.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 16:41 GMT
#2771
On July 27 2014 01:10 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2014 00:40 Koshi wrote:
The problem is that all other lynches are people marv said are town Xatalos/VA and all his preferred lynches are people I think are town aka Damdred/Obiwan.


Maybe we should find common ground and lynch Vivax.


Why do you read damdred as town?

It's not that he is a shining beacon of townyness. But read the first post on the second and third page of his filter. I can see a town making those. Same for everything in between.

Is he really that scummy? I don't see it tbh.


Didn't you say he was really town earlier? I might remember wrong.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 16:43 GMT
#2772
(And I never said he was *that* scummy either, just that we're running out of better scum candidates.)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 16:48 GMT
#2775
Yeah, HF hasn't really done much.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 17:00 GMT
#2782
All I can say is that I'm clearly town by now. Compare even my general activity to any of my scum games - the difference is quite big. Not to mention that I never make these thought spamming marathons as scum. If you're town and don't believe it, you'll be sorry post-game. If you're scum, keep going.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 17:02 GMT
#2783
On July 26 2014 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 08:24 Xatalos wrote:
On July 26 2014 08:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 26 2014 08:18 Xatalos wrote:
So either VA is town or scum, but batsnacks is town for sure. That's good information at least.


This kind of post makes me want to lynch you SO hard. SO HARD.


What, I'm being transparent by spamming my thoughts. Go ahead...


"So either VA is town or scum" NO SHIT! He is either Protoss, Zerg or Terran on Starcraft also.

Sorry, I don't want to be rude. No, I'm not Canadian for saying sorry after being rude.


Btw I'm starting to wonder if GB might be scum after all. Nitpicking posts like this come from scum relatively often. Ugh.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 17:08 GMT
#2787
Tbh I think I've contributed more than GB even though he keeps saying that I only post fluff. Most of GB's filter is asking useless questions / presenting useless theories. I've probably spent more posts explaining stuff to him than he has on scumhunting.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 17:09 GMT
#2789
Not really sure what there is worth commenting about on that post.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 17:14 GMT
#2792
I have no problems with lynching VA.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 17:19 GMT
#2793
What do you think of marv's reaction to the VA/batsnacks claim shenanigans Koshi? Or did you go already?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 18:12 GMT
#2797
On July 26 2014 09:05 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2014 08:49 Xatalos wrote:
On July 26 2014 08:45 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 26 2014 08:44 Xatalos wrote:
That's not very exhaustive though. What about me? ObiWan? Damdred? Those are pretty much all the non-confirmed players left, haha...


You or Chopin is probably the last mafia.


....You just chose the two most unlikely options but fine. At least I can see VA being scum.

Why Chopin though btw?


Chopin could be mafia because of the way he pushed the vote off you the first day and the way he's trying to push the vote off Vayne today.

Chopin put a lot of effort drawing the lynch off of you, but not very much putting the lynch onto OWS. So instead, Nav got lynched. You were a good lynch, OWS was a maybe good lynch, Nav was not a good lynch. Their reasoning for why you were town was poor as well. I don't know why they thought you were town just because you did the weird ass claim thing. The bottom line is that you got out of the lynch without having to do any scumhunting or pro-town things. Their reasoning for Vayne being town is also poor. The bottom line here is that Vayne attempted to bait out the vig, and now he might get away scot-free. I do not see a reason why scum would not make these kinds of plays when town falls for them so hard, and Chopin is orchestrating it so well.

If you are town and Chopin is mafia, Chopin let Nav get lynched because Nav was a bad lynch and would probably not have been lynched the next day. You and OWS could easily be the next lynches. Take the hard lynches when you can and save the easy ones for later. As for today, if a mafia gets lynched, town wins. If Chopin and Vayne are mafia, Chopin needs to go all-in to make sure Vayne doesn't get lynched, and he seems to be doing just that.


I think this post from CR was pretty towny.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 18:14 GMT
#2798
It seems to consider different scenarios and it appears as if there's a genuine thought process within the post. IMO
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 18:16 GMT
#2799
I'm sad that he never explained his read on me+Koshi though....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 18:33 GMT
#2801
Let's see the red blood flow
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 18:33 GMT
#2802
(hopefully)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 19:14 GMT
#2805
Dunno what Vivax has been doing all D2, but otherwise his play has been completely different from the scum Vivax I know.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 19:14 GMT
#2807
Well, mostly.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 19:17 GMT
#2809
Not a lynch candidate for today regardless..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 19:24 GMT
#2813
On July 27 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2014 02:13 Koshi wrote:
Nha. afk 18 hours.

marv/VA


You are tunnelling. Really, you are.
Look, all we've got from those two are WIFOM scenarios. I find marv suspicious because he is not the aggressive marv I saw on vets vs juniors, but I don't know, I still believe he could be town. If you believe marv is hard defending Vayne, you also da believe that regarding Xatalos and if marv is scum, you have to admit that one of the. Is certainly town. You can use this argument against me because I said that Xatalos was being hard defended by possible scum, but this is only one of FIVE arguments not based on WIFOM.

Vayne's reason to lynch is WIFOM. Look, it all starts with "he fake claimed, so he is mafia". Then it goes to "but it is a bad move as mafia, so he is probably town". Then, "but marv and him probably made this so we think that they are both town when they are actually mafia". When you reach this level of thinking, you know it's WIFOM and that it's better to gather more information/search for actual facts than using this as the basis of a lynch.

I want to lynch into 3 people only:
Marv/VA/Xatalos

Both VA and Xatalos don't want to kill marv. Both VA and Xatalos want(ed) to kill each other.

The answer: Kill marv.


I think you should remove me and marv from today's lynch-list and look at other possibilities.

I've already explained why it's very risky to lynch marv today (huge loss if he's town, maybe even blue) and besides he's most likely absorbing a bullet tonight anyway. If not, then he has more time to use his analysis / role OR he'll be lynched for being alive / not really achieving much for that long. It's just better to postpone judgment on him.

As for me, well, I'm VT and I haven't really achieved that much yet. But it should be pretty evident from my play that this is not how I play scum. You only need to take a look at any of my scumgames. I never post freely in the thread whatever I'm thinking as scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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