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Koshi

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July 25 2014 00:22 GMT

#1901

On July 25 2014 08:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GB is town unless all maryrs and shit are scum.

On July 25 2014 08:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
*martyrs

On July 25 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
You meant town

On July 25 2014 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
haha are chopin and koshi mafia?
GB can you get ly logic in my post?

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 00:27 GMT

#1908

We will have to try tomorrow. Nobrain rayn atm.

Koshi

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July 25 2014 00:28 GMT

#1909

On July 25 2014 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
and no, i won't cut it out because because....
Koshi is being a dick towards me, so i can - and imo am allowed to return the favor.
He is town but i want him to feel how fucking wrong he is in this game. Like so fucking wrong!

go try to lynch me Koshi!

You do realize I got you as town this entire game right? In every listpost I made. Except once when you returned to the thread after 15h right after the lynch and I was mad.

Since then you called me mafia or shit numerous times.

The last time you called mafia I am trying to let you see what I meant but you decide to not read it.

tomorrow I guess.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 00:33 GMT

#1914

On July 25 2014 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah i concede i have not read the thread pretty well. nor the posts. don't have enough time.

You called me scum for not understanding what you said. I am trying to explain it.

We will try tomorrow.

Let it be known I have you as town because you never done this as scum.

Let it also be known I don't like you. Also permanent status.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 00:42 GMT

#1920

Why would it be:

GB is town except when all maryrs and shit are scum.

isn't this more logical

GB is town except when all maryrs and shit are town. (Because that would make it possible GB is scum)

Like... This discussion is completely retarded but rayn is scumreading me for saying it should be option 2. Maybe I don't understand the word unless or something.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 00:58 GMT

#1922

On July 25 2014 08:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GB is town unless all maryrs and shit are scum.

On July 25 2014 08:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
*martyrs

On July 25 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
You meant town

On July 25 2014 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
haha are chopin and koshi mafia?
GB can you get ly logic in my post?

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 01:25 GMT

#1928

rayn is confirmed town.

Koshi

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July 25 2014 10:43 GMT

#2023

Xatalos refuses to scumhunt.

Koshi

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July 25 2014 11:49 GMT

#2053

On July 23 2014 20:36 Koshi wrote:

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On July 23 2014 12:36 Navillus wrote:
Just got here, my 2 cents on xatalos is that the list does look bad and I got the same weird feeling when he said that we shouldn't lynch kush because he's a good scum-player, especially after he posted:

On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:

On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:

On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:

On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this:

On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:

On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy.

Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that.

If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both.

##Vote: Xatalos

I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking.

What does this mean?

Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches.

so people who will reveal themselves early shouldn't be lynched D1 and people who won't reveal themselves early shouldn't be lynched D1? That doesn't make sense and looks scummy to me because it sounds like forced reasons to lynch or not lynch.

Also posting a list where like half the entries are saying nothing looks like an attempt to just generate content so for that I feel comfortable to ##Vote Xatalos

Aside from him I'm very happy that Chopinliszt stopped with that rhyming stuff but I would put them much higher on my list of who to lynch this game unless they post as much as two other players would, it's going to be way too difficult to get a read if we have a small amount of content half from one person half another.

1) Doesn't try to hide in this post.
2) Give his reads/thoughts freely on the game.

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1) Doesn't try to hide in this post.
2) Give his reads/thoughts freely on the game.

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Asking questions is not scummy if you first provided your own opinion in the thread. It's called scumhunting. So what that he made 3 questionsi n seperate posts and then made 3 more questions in a new post. He also asked to consolidate in the last post so maybe therefore he is putting everything in 1 post. Who the fuck knows? It isn't scummy.

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On July 23 2014 18:13 Navillus wrote:
Teem if If you're asking me what that post said about chopin I'm saying I want extra content out of the hydra because it's going to be a bitch to try to mix reads of two people and I will push their lynch if them being a hydra prevents me from getting a clear read on them.

Palmar your post was a problem not a reason to lynch because you posted an intention, if you had followed through that would have made you look a lot scummier to me. I didn't threaten to lynch because it's one post that's not very readable with a day+ to go, I seriously doubt you would have considered that a plausible threat and I wouldn't have followed through without more scum-reads, I'm not gonna vote or threaten to vote everyone that I might like to be more active.

Anyway I already posted my read of xatalos and since he hasn't posted anything since then that hasn't changed. On the other hand I just reread kush and for the second or third time and I am really getting a weird (read scummy) vibe off him. He defends xatalos multiple times from people posting reads very similar to what I got on my first read-through.

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On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:

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I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?

On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:

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hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18?
we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common.

first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie?

second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?

^glowingbear brings the exact thoughts I had and kush ignores him saying that he's not making the argument to lynch good scums early but that xata's own posts would suggest that then xata contradicts himself. I thought this contradiction was weird but kush doesn't seem to notice and later just hones in on what i saw as a much less contradictory statement by haru

On July 23 2014 11:40 kushm4sta wrote:

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On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:

On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:

On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:

On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:

On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:

On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:

On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.

If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge.
Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO.

No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred.

Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid

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It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again.

I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal.

Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player?

Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie".

I write too much.

Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff.

wtf do you expect a few hours into the game?

^this also seems weirdly defensive to me,

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Defending him isn't scummy but doing so that early and to different people with similar reads just feels too sure that he's right. On top of that he really hasn't pushed much, he voted haru which was kind of an extension of his defense of xata then he put down a placeholder vote on palmer. In fact I just looked at his votes and he literally makes no attempt to explain why he unvoted haru, trying to pull that vote off to a non-vote is really weird to me. None of this seems like serious efforts to find scum.

So ##Vote: kushm4sta

1) Doesn't try to hide in this post.
2) Give his reads/thoughts freely on the game.
___________________________________________________

So why is Navillus not a good lynch:
1) He isn't hiding.
2) He gave his opinion on EVERYBODY and is actively playing.

tldr: you all suck. Navillus is town.

On July 23 2014 20:39 Vivax wrote:
It's cool that your opinion differs Koshi but I don't see why you spend so much talking about townreads and mechanics and the terrible idea of vets claiming when you don't have an own scumread to push behind it that warrants you taking the wind out of other peoples sails to push your own preference.

On July 23 2014 20:40 Koshi wrote:

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##unvote
##vote: Vivax

Bite me.

This is where it all started.
Here do you see why I am actually gold in this game and why Vivax is trash or scum. Somewhere you would like to think Vivax wouldn't be so obnoxious right? And I keep telling you people that Vivax is a liar this game. I already gave you 3 examples. If you didn't read them, look them up. Or take my word. I don't know if he does this as town but it isn't very townie. The last point on why Vivax is scum is that he tries to trap me into saying things that prove me scum. Now this could be comming from a townie, it also sounds pretty townie to do it, but I can just feel it in my bones that it is not coming from a townie and that the true intention is to let me say something I don't want to say. It is not a trap that a scummer would fall in. It is the kind of trap that is sneaky and let's you say something that you as townie clearly aren't thinking and therefore shouldn't say. I feel like Vivax knows this while asking these trap questions. It is hard to explain. Again, can it be that town Vivax plays like this? Maybe, but I doubt it. And maybe my 4th and last point is that I know that Vivax is wrong about me. And on top of that Teemu and I are connecting so fucking hard that I can only see him be wrong on him as well. Also, so many people see that I am obvious town, why is Vivax not accepting this? Why does somebody like Vivax thinks two scummers are just pushing him like this? It just feels all to wrong to me. Too wrong to be town Vivax. Oh, and a really last point. He says so much dumb shit. My eyebrows went up with at least 5 posts of him. Maybe more. Like not this guy is town and he said something dumb. More like: "I can't believe Vivax is town and makes this post."
I will end all this with me acknowledging Vivax has a big filter and that that can be used to argument he isn't scum.

Tldr: Why Koshi is town, and has been pushing Vivax:
Koshi activilly tried to steer town away from a Navillus lynch.
Vivax bashes him for it.
Koshi votes Vivax and never let's go.
Then some other stuff happened.

But Navillus the obvious townie got lynched anyway. And Sentinel alone is to blame. I am 100% sure I would have gotten Obiwan lynched if I couldn't get more votes on Vivax within the first 10 minutes of the 20 minutes stolen from us by the host. I don't care how many votes Navillus in the end had. I tell you with 100% certainty he would not be lynched with 20 more minutes. No, I am 80% certain. It all kinda depends on how scum marv is and on how town Obiwan is I think.

I will not scream that Vivax or anybody else is confirmed town anymore by actions by this host. But let it be known that the host lynched Navillus and that he is responsible for denieing the information of a Vivax/Obiwan vote switch. I now completely calmed down. I have never been so mad in this game as I was after that lynch yesterday. I must say that I somewhere respect and am thankful to Sentinel for not modkilling me. I think I might go look for a selfban endgame. But the blind rage I felt after the lynch. And it kept going on till I went to bed. I never felt it before. Pretty epic experience now that I look back on it.

Now this game is tainted for me. Just like Noire was tainted. I still have this superupset feeling so maybe I can still care in this game. Maybe I will get shot. If scum has mercy on my soul. I am changing my TL meta from this moment on and I will try avoid making conversation posts or as I call them "game evolving posts" in the future. So don't expect small posts anymore. I might also not reply to Vivax if he keeps his shitty line of questioning up. Look at how he greeted me today. Oh well. I can't be too mad about that because I did push him like a maniac yesterday.

Vivax/VA/Xatalos/Obiwan/batsnacks
If I could shoot 5 now I think those are the ones. marv alignment can be seen after N1 or for sure after N2 simply by the fact he lynched scum and is alive. If it is D3 and marv is alive and never lynched scum. Just lynch him please.
CR I simply can't read. I don't know why.
Damdred is null but I can see him being town.
Palmar is Palmar but I can see him being town.

Somewhere if I really had to pick 3
Vivax/VA/batsnacks
I don't know why these 3.

The End?

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 12:23 GMT

#2080

On July 25 2014 21:08 Vivax wrote:
I like how Koshi said that he would have tried to steer the wagon to Obi if it wasn't for the early end, but in the final scum Obi is among the guy he would shoot, not lynch.

How am I supposed to understand that conclusion.

I know in what mindset I was yesterday.
Navillus was obvious town on D1. I was 100% certain on it. I had a lot of people in my townlist but I was 100% on Navillus. If anybody would have talked about him at all in the last 10 hours going to the lynch I would have said it. But nobody talked about him. It was all Damdred/Obiwan. But ofc then suddenly.........

Obiwan isn't. He has a 6 page filter but if you read it there is nothing in it. He stopped caring about solving this game or is scum. I know I would have lynched him over Damdred yesterday. I know if marv is town he would have followed me.
I am sure I could strongarm a couple more people into doing that. I am sure about that.

I removed Obiwan out of final 5 for going after rayn when he came back just like I did. But for vigi shot he is the best call tonight. If he flips town and goes crying about losing games or getting lynched I am going to flame him so hard. w.e

VA just did something that is 100% his scum meta. Which is coming into the game with a listpost. Trying to gain cred and put himself to the frontline. I do like he is playing, don't get me wrong, but his excuses around the Navillus lynch also sat a bit wrong with me. Anyway, VA showed that he wants to play. Force him to play tomorrow.

I have to have you as scum Vivax. Because you are scum or shit. That's the reason. I gave all the reasoning to why you are shit. I had like 5 points or something.

batsnacks is meh. He is a pretty balls out scum. So him playing balls out is not a good reason to call him town. So there is no reason to call him town.

GlowingBear shouldn't be forgotten btw. Pressure him into giving more reads.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 12:35 GMT

#2089

On July 25 2014 21:28 Vivax wrote:
The because you are scum or shit argument is bad. You either believe I'm scum or you believe I'm shit, and if you believe I'm shit then you shouldn't push me like an idiot cause you will end up lynching a townie. The way you try to put simply reads as "I don't care what you are just die", and if that's what you think then you deserve to be lynched cause it's not a townie mindset.

If you really wanted to lynch Obi Wan so badly you had the chance to help me and chopin move the votes onto him, and try to persuade kush and Vayne, but you didn't, which is why you are to be treated as a guy who didn't want to lynch him, but just me.

...
How obvious was it that I wasn't here? I was traveling home.

AGAIN VIVAX LIES AND MANIPULATES EVIDENCE.

On July 25 2014 21:25 Xatalos wrote:
"Being shit" isn't really a great reason to lynch someone, Koshi...

It's the best reason. It hasn't the highest scumrate seemingly, but it is a very good reason to lynch somebody.

Entire thread says Navillus is scum because Palmar typed shit.
I made a case on why Navillus is town and what Palmar said was out of context.
Vivax gives me shit for stearing the entire town in the right direction while not disagreeing with my case.

But the kicker is that after Navillus flips green Vivax makes another case on me for being right.

So he is shit or scum. It's 50/50 at least. Even with that filter. Look at how shit Vivax is.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 12:37 GMT

#2092

Vivax is scum
Vivax is scum
Vivax is scum
Vivax is scum
Vivax is scum
Vivax is scum
Vivax is scum
Vivax is scum
Vivax is scum
Vivax is scum

DO FUCKING LYNCH HIM D2

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 13:08 GMT

#2120

They will always shoot me over you Vivax.

Because when I die you look like shit because both me and Teemu will be confirmed.
When you die I look bad but not really because your play has been trash.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 13:09 GMT

#2122

In case you are town btw.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 13:30 GMT

#2149

There is a 0% chance scum kills Vivax.

Koshi

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July 25 2014 13:33 GMT

#2152

Xatalos. If Teemo and Koshi die during N1 and are town.

From Vivax his filter.

Who is scum?

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 13:42 GMT

#2157

On July 25 2014 22:38 Xatalos wrote:

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I have a hard time believing that those would be the kills. But if that really happened, I guess there would be probably scum infiltrated among my better townreads.

I am asking to use Vivax his filter.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 14:00 GMT

#2163

On July 25 2014 22:50 Xatalos wrote:
SC2 Mafia is always kind of random

As for your question, Koshi... I'm not really sure what you're looking for. If we assume that such a situation would occur, then naturally Vivax would look worse for it, but would he really do that as scum? It's just a WIFOM bomb that's not really worth considering atm.

marv gave his 100% townread on me. He has never been wrong.
I am telling you Teemu is town. Could I be wrong? Sure.

It is not a WIFOM bomb. It's very likely to be true that Koshi is town, and to an extent Teemu. You should start putting these pieces together.

But I see you got a strong townread on Vivax.

Oh well.

You could be right.

But start looking at scum in VA/Batsnacks/Obiwan/GlowingBear then. Because you are not doing it. And you should be. Well, you looked into batsnacks. Good for you.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 14:03 GMT

#2166

Vivax. Stop scumhunting me and look at the names I just told you.

It is pretty clear that I am trying to solve this game here.

You have me as 100% scum.

IT IS FINE.

Do not limit yourself to Koshi and Teemu.

Don't do it.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2014 14:03 GMT

#2167

On July 25 2014 23:02 Vivax wrote:
Like, last time I was accusing you of forgetting about chopin you pointed us to a post where you said we're both scum together.

Now that he townreads you everyone should listen to him.

Totally legit reasoning there.

Let it be known you have been doing the same thing to me I did on D1. Realize it.

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