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On July 25 2014 02:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 23:14 Teemursu wrote:On July 24 2014 23:14 batsnacks wrote:
##unvote
##vote: GlowingBear WTF No followup on this wtf.And the reasons you gave happened long after the post you said looked scummy from me. Are you just being sloppy or why don't you include what you found me scummy for from the start? All of those reasons you gave just now is me fighting off your petty wagon.
What am I supposed to follow this up with? The vote is making zero sense in all kinds of worlds. GB wasn't going to get lynched that day, what GB did wasn't mafia indicative (as YOU ALREADY SAID AS WELL). I feel like you're trying to find reasons why I'm mafia instead of actually thinking that Im' mafia.
All those reasons I gave you while I was typing on my phone was at the time when NO ONE had actually read me as mafia.
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Ok, I'm done until Day 2.
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On July 25 2014 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vivax. i'll be honest with you. i've been bothered with phonecalls all night long so i have really no fkn idea what happened after p50 -> lynch. who do you think is scum? Koshi and Teemu? who else?
You should read that stuff, it's pretty interesting.
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On July 25 2014 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 06:29 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vivax. i'll be honest with you. i've been bothered with phonecalls all night long so i have really no fkn idea what happened after p50 -> lynch. who do you think is scum? Koshi and Teemu? who else? You should read that stuff, it's pretty interesting. ehh.. why? what i see is Navillus got lynched and then people bitched about him getting lynched and yelled "this X dude is 100% scum". Those ppl are probably scum (based on heuristics which is bad). What do i gain in reading those pages and why have you not convinced me (with posts that actually could make me read) those pages are important? You can't just say THERE WAS A LOT OF COOL STUFF! If noone talks about it it was probably bad.
I'm talking about before Nav got lynched. There was a lot of vote switching and people going apeshit. Shit got real for once and you can probably read people's alignment really well from that.
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On July 25 2014 06:35 Chopin Liszt wrote:For the record, I haven't posted since Holyflare said "I am back  " or whatever the exact post was. Chopin
Wait, this is interesting. Are you agreeing with Viv about me being mafia now, or was it Holyflare/Liszt?
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On July 25 2014 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 06:36 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2014 06:29 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vivax. i'll be honest with you. i've been bothered with phonecalls all night long so i have really no fkn idea what happened after p50 -> lynch. who do you think is scum? Koshi and Teemu? who else? You should read that stuff, it's pretty interesting. ehh.. why? what i see is Navillus got lynched and then people bitched about him getting lynched and yelled "this X dude is 100% scum". Those ppl are probably scum (based on heuristics which is bad). What do i gain in reading those pages and why have you not convinced me (with posts that actually could make me read) those pages are important? You can't just say THERE WAS A LOT OF COOL STUFF! If noone talks about it it was probably bad. I'm talking about before Nav got lynched. There was a lot of vote switching and people going apeshit. Shit got real for once and you can probably read people's alignment really well from that. okay so let me rephrase; as i was afk (so by not having read all the thread), i think if noone says anything about those things that happened it's not important. there are 12 townies left, if none of those 11 find stuff important should i trust them or not? like obviously i think i am better than anyone else in this game but still... if EVERYONE is ignorant about something, why should i care?
Not true. I think it's highly likely that there are mafia in Chopin, Viv, Koshi and others would say me, but I know I am town.
Viv and Chopin's hydra have been going pretty hard against me and hydra now based off of those interactions. Some people kinda pushed others to vote on Nav, who was a miss, and I want to look into that more d2, off to sleep soon and I don't really have the energy for that.
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been going pretty hard against Koshi and I*
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On July 25 2014 06:48 Chopin Liszt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 06:43 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2014 06:36 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2014 06:29 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vivax. i'll be honest with you. i've been bothered with phonecalls all night long so i have really no fkn idea what happened after p50 -> lynch. who do you think is scum? Koshi and Teemu? who else? You should read that stuff, it's pretty interesting. ehh.. why? what i see is Navillus got lynched and then people bitched about him getting lynched and yelled "this X dude is 100% scum". Those ppl are probably scum (based on heuristics which is bad). What do i gain in reading those pages and why have you not convinced me (with posts that actually could make me read) those pages are important? You can't just say THERE WAS A LOT OF COOL STUFF! If noone talks about it it was probably bad. I'm talking about before Nav got lynched. There was a lot of vote switching and people going apeshit. Shit got real for once and you can probably read people's alignment really well from that. okay so let me rephrase; as i was afk (so by not having read all the thread), i think if noone says anything about those things that happened it's not important. there are 12 townies left, if none of those 11 find stuff important should i trust them or not? like obviously i think i am better than anyone else in this game but still... if EVERYONE is ignorant about something, why should i care? Not true. I think it's highly likely that there are mafia in Chopin, Viv, Koshi and others would say me, but I know I am town. Viv and Chopin's hydra have been going pretty hard against me and hydra now based off of those interactions. Some people kinda pushed others to vote on Nav, who was a miss, and I want to look into that more d2, off to sleep soon and I don't really have the energy for that. It was HF who was scumreading you. But unlike with the Koshi thing, there are no beatings for that one from me. Primarily because you're pushing so hard/repeatedly about the people on Navillus being suspicious for doing so, when that only makes sense if the alternative(s) are mafia, which I don't think they are. Pushing the idea is ridiculous until you've resolved the alignments of the alternative wagons. Chopin
You seem to make much more sense than HolyFlare. Could you just cut his head off and continue playing this as solo?`
Thing is, I'm not calling out everyone who voted on Navi yet, I just think it wasn't a good lynch at all. Even if you don't think that Viv is mafia, we probably should've lynched either Damdred or Obi (in hindsight, which isn't really a great way to look at things).
You don' t think any of the alternative wagons are mafia? Regardless of Navi getting ML'd and the people wagoning on him?
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On July 25 2014 06:49 Chopin Liszt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 06:43 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2014 06:36 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2014 06:29 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vivax. i'll be honest with you. i've been bothered with phonecalls all night long so i have really no fkn idea what happened after p50 -> lynch. who do you think is scum? Koshi and Teemu? who else? You should read that stuff, it's pretty interesting. ehh.. why? what i see is Navillus got lynched and then people bitched about him getting lynched and yelled "this X dude is 100% scum". Those ppl are probably scum (based on heuristics which is bad). What do i gain in reading those pages and why have you not convinced me (with posts that actually could make me read) those pages are important? You can't just say THERE WAS A LOT OF COOL STUFF! If noone talks about it it was probably bad. I'm talking about before Nav got lynched. There was a lot of vote switching and people going apeshit. Shit got real for once and you can probably read people's alignment really well from that. okay so let me rephrase; as i was afk (so by not having read all the thread), i think if noone says anything about those things that happened it's not important. there are 12 townies left, if none of those 11 find stuff important should i trust them or not? like obviously i think i am better than anyone else in this game but still... if EVERYONE is ignorant about something, why should i care? Not true. I think it's highly likely that there are mafia in Chopin, Viv, Koshi and others would say me, but I know I am town. Viv and Chopin's hydra have been going pretty hard against me and hydra now based off of those interactions. Some people kinda pushed others to vote on Nav, who was a miss, and I want to look into that more d2, off to sleep soon and I don't really have the energy for that. If this is the case why are you blindly throwing out blanket statements regarding people being mafia instead of refuting the cases made on you? Why is koshi now in your mafia containing list after you said he was your super town person?
I'm apparently expressing myself really badly now when I'm tired. What I meant is that it seemed to be like a general consensus that there is mafia between us, since Viv, your hydra partner, GB and someone else are starting to build up cases against us, so they think there's mafia between us.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Koshi as town. Neither do I really care about refuting cases that are made against me. Viv's stuff is pretty bad and I answered to some of HF's stuff. I was pretty pissed off at that point and probably reacted really badly, but I don't really care at this point.
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On July 25 2014 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehhhh.. If you read Koshi town why do you read him as scum?
I'm reading him as town, I'm not reading him as scum. I worded it poorly and clarified my thoughts. Where am I not making myself clear?
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I'm basically implying that Viv is mafia, Chopin maybe. Koshi I'm reading as town and I know I am town.
There is/has been so much pushing between us four that it's so unlikely we're all town. I guess it's obvious but w/e.
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On July 25 2014 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 07:02 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehhhh.. If you read Koshi town why do you read him as scum? I'm reading him as town, I'm not reading him as scum. I worded it poorly and clarified my thoughts. Where am I not making myself clear? in the post you said "one of these people are scum", then list Koshi as one of them and then call him town....
Just read this post. This is my opinion. I might have worded it previously like shit because I'm tired, had a really shit day and personal reasons. If you want to harp and badger me for expressing myself poorly, go ahead. If you want to lynch me tomorrow for it, go ahead and enjoy the 3KP @N2.
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Koshi, I don't want to give up yet, but I'm kinda close to.
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On July 25 2014 07:09 Chopin Liszt wrote:
If you think vivax is mafia then the case he made on koshi is fabricated and scum motivated. It's actually one of the better cases I've seen in a long time and you haven't even so much as said a word about it and still stick to koshi being a town read.
I haven't read it yet. So what?
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Basically you're saying I should read Viv as town and Koshi as mafia because you believe the case is good.
I don't need your opinion on the case to form my own read. Even if the case was good and would find myself agreeing with it in the future, I don't have the information now, so I'm reading Koshi as town because I haven't yet seen any evidence that would contradict the read. Is that some sort of a miracle to you? I'm not going to post seals just because I haven't caught up yet.
Also, mafia can make good-sounding cases and it kind of comes back to your opinion on the case and my read on Koshi/Viv not having any relevant connection.
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On July 25 2014 03:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 02:51 Chopin Liszt wrote:
what is that supposed to show vivax? although i like how koshi wants to sheep me/chopin but then doesn't actually vote for the same target - He called you scum quite confidently earlier on and then entirely stopped caring about you close to deadline. Even said something about sheeping you by voting me when that was nowhere your intention, also he tries to glorify his former scumread. - First he says something about your vote on Damdred being useless, later says Damdred had to step up like promised after I explained why Damdred was scum, he even said what he was doing was worse than in Storm. Later, when he has to push me, he totally says that what Damdred is doing isn't scummy when compared to Storm, says he doesn't see the difference. Change of opinion is obviously of practical value so he can use it to paint me scummy at the same time by claiming that there's nothing scummy about Damdred I'm pushing. - Then goes again with threatening Damdred and acting as if he was scummy. - When asked about lynch option the only option is me.No compromises, he had multiple options from earlier, but it had to be me, the drill sergeant, his former scumread chopin becomes the guy we all should sheep. - When he gets mad at you for not scumreading me, then it's like something he should be expecting anyway since he claims to have read both of us as scum. He'd only get mad if he didn't manage to convince you thinking you're a townie. My 20000 ¢
How is this one of the better cases you've seen for a while? There is no evidence. I'm not doubting that some of these things have happened, but things can be taken out of context so easily as well. Like, I'm not interested in going back and trying to find everything that Viv is talking about. How can someone like Rayn read this and accept it as a good case, when he already admitted that he hasn't read most of EOD?
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On July 25 2014 07:21 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Let's just get this out of the way with a little exercise:
A) i am reading vivax as mafia because:
B) i am reading koshi as town because:
I've expressed my opinions. Don't be as lazy as me and filterdive them or w/e, I don't care. I don't feel the need to convince you why I'm reading them as I do, when I was pretty loud and imo, clear as to why Viv was acting scummy EOD.
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On July 25 2014 07:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 23:57 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote:
##Vote: Vivax
I am sheeping Holyflare/marv here. Everybody should sheep the 2 best players on TL. And how was this not the most obvious joke/lie/lets just fucking lynch Vivax thing ever. Marv/HF weren't pushing Vivax in the slightest. This is the third time Vivax takes something I said and twists it into something scummy. 1) I clearly said why Navillus was town and Palmars case bad. Vivax turns it into something scummy. 2) GlowingBears says something retarded and I am scummy for thinking it is retarded. 3) That ↑ ---- This on top of all the other retarded shit he says like "Koshi stopped pushing me after the lynch was over", he fucking pushes me for being right on Navillus and stopping to push him AFTER THE FUCKING LYNCH. And I can keep going on why Vivax is scum but hosts decided that as soon Vivax was not up for lynch to end the day within 10 minutes and 25 minutes early so w.e.
This bolded is what Vivax is doing. Too bad everyone is reading him town for it.
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On July 25 2014 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 07:27 Teemursu wrote:On July 25 2014 03:00 Vivax wrote:On July 25 2014 02:51 Chopin Liszt wrote:
what is that supposed to show vivax? although i like how koshi wants to sheep me/chopin but then doesn't actually vote for the same target - He called you scum quite confidently earlier on and then entirely stopped caring about you close to deadline. Even said something about sheeping you by voting me when that was nowhere your intention, also he tries to glorify his former scumread. - First he says something about your vote on Damdred being useless, later says Damdred had to step up like promised after I explained why Damdred was scum, he even said what he was doing was worse than in Storm. Later, when he has to push me, he totally says that what Damdred is doing isn't scummy when compared to Storm, says he doesn't see the difference. Change of opinion is obviously of practical value so he can use it to paint me scummy at the same time by claiming that there's nothing scummy about Damdred I'm pushing. - Then goes again with threatening Damdred and acting as if he was scummy. - When asked about lynch option the only option is me.No compromises, he had multiple options from earlier, but it had to be me, the drill sergeant, his former scumread chopin becomes the guy we all should sheep. - When he gets mad at you for not scumreading me, then it's like something he should be expecting anyway since he claims to have read both of us as scum. He'd only get mad if he didn't manage to convince you thinking you're a townie. My 20000 ¢ How is this one of the better cases you've seen for a while? There is no evidence. I'm not doubting that some of these things have happened, but things can be taken out of context so easily as well. Like, I'm not interested in going back and trying to find everything that Viv is talking about. How can someone like Rayn read this and accept it as a good case, when he already admitted that he hasn't read most of EOD? what the fuck? where have i said that's agood case?
Sorry, I keep expressing myself really poorly. Remove the word "How" from that sentence, and it might make more sense. I'm not saying that you did, I'm saying that the way case is made, someone like you can't know it's a good case since you don't know the context/don't see the evidence.
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On July 25 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
stfu Koshi. I don't even really think you are mafia so work with me okay? WHY WOULD I WORK WITH YOU, YOU DUMB RETARD? YOU CALL ME MAFIA OR SHIT EVERY 3 POSTS YOU MAKE.
Meh, Koshi, I wouldn't give up yet. Give it some time to cool off and come back later. We can still win this. Not -everyone- is going to instalynch you or me tomorrow just because CL and VIv have talked tonight.
Not sure about the OGI, though.
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