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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On July 16 2014 05:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Could you to the best of your abilities point out what that something is? Because right now it feels like a very feeble, uncheckable thing. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
1. Called strat top town, strat dies? 2. Meta case i made. Sure its not the best, but im sticking to it. 3. Might be able to be swayed on the harubear case, but that has to do more with what haru said recently that i didnt like rather than what koshi said | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
2. I actually like the meta case. I don't know how accurate it was in terms of Koshi just bitching all the time as I hadn't read it, but I like the examples you brought up though you didn't compare it with town games where he replaced in. I can't speak for his meta on that. Also, since that post he's made his case on Glowing which you agreed was pretty good. 3. I'm not sure what you mean with that. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On July 16 2014 05:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Making unflipped associations is generally bad. I don't know if it's not OK. I have several people that gave me at least slight townreads and we'll see how they develop as the game goes on. Right now, Bunnies/Poof seems like the most likely slot to flip scum and with no flipped scum so far I'm not going to go by associations. The context here is that I don't understand how your view of the game state is evolving. If you townread me, OK, harubear and rayn, you must by extension believe the scumteam to be bunnies and Robik. The problem isn't one of unflipped associations per se; I'm not saying "you must find a viable partner for bunnies or bunnies can't be scum." I'm saying that bunnies/Robik doesn't make sense to me and therefore either one of your townreads is wrong or you're mafia. There's one unflipped association there: bunnies/Robik doesn't make sense to me. That's not a big stretch since Robik has been whining about trying to kill bunnies all game long. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On July 16 2014 06:04 Eden1892 wrote: The context here is that I don't understand how your view of the game state is evolving. If you townread me, OK, harubear and rayn, you must by extension believe the scumteam to be bunnies and Robik. The problem isn't one of unflipped associations per se; I'm not saying "you must find a viable partner for bunnies or bunnies can't be scum." I'm saying that bunnies/Robik doesn't make sense to me and therefore either one of your townreads is wrong or you're mafia. There's one unflipped association there: bunnies/Robik doesn't make sense to me. That's not a big stretch since Robik has been whining about trying to kill bunnies all game long. Or the alternative is that one of my slight townreads is wrong. They're all tentative. My reads are still at a very early stage as I've only replaced in a day ago and I haven't read up on what happened before me except some global things and filters where it was brought up. It doesn't matter if Bunnies/Robik doesn't make sense. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On July 16 2014 06:15 Eden1892 wrote: So... why not rayn then? Cause it's definitely not me or OK and I'm pretty sure it's not harubear. I'm far from as certain on OK as you are. I'd rate Haru as townier. I might be wrong on Rayn, we'll see as the thread develops. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 16 2014 06:21 Tehpoofter wrote: Morning if Robik voted me he is mafia if not he's confirmed town. Supposing you get lynched and flip green. What would you recommend townies to do d3? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 16 2014 06:35 GlowingBear wrote: Supposing you get lynched and flip green. What would you recommend townies to do d3? Wow I'm glad you said that. Because That is literally just what I decided to do today. I'm not sure that I can convince everyone to not vote me and bunnies because my town defenses are usually bad. I however hate losing. First after Me and bunnies are flipped everyone will be sad and probably blame robik. I'm very tempted to say "yeah kill robik for being wrong as fuck cause that guy deserves it" but I don't think thats the best course of action. I've had a hard time even convincing bunnies of the fact that I think robik is town but thats where I'm at. I think you need to look into a couple people. Teh night kills are interesting. I think that mafia is buddying up to town at this point. I would not be surprised if OK is mafia he has basically been buddying up to Eden the whole game. Maybe they have some god read on each other and I'm wrong but thats the feeling I've gotten from this game. I think these guys shouldn't get free passes for misslynching a town especially after you guys again killed me and bunnies. I'm breaking my post here cause people don't read walls of text. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 16 2014 06:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay Poof, how serious are you on Robik being scum? What are your reads? i don't think hes scum. I have had a hard time convincing bunnies of this though she tends to think I'm wrong so maybe I' am but I'd like to think I'm not. Part 2 of "What do we do once we realize were all donkies for killing Poofter/Bunnies and suddenly in lylo and in a catastrophic spot?" Now we must look at the n1 kills. Going into the night and before it was over I said that there is basically know way that MArv/Palmer/Robik/Rayn/koshi are all town and let that lynch on slam happen. Marv claimed afk so did rayn, koshi wasnt really in the game robik was trying to lynch us and palmer gets salty about shit early. They all had an excuse. I wasn't buying they all were true. Marv/Palmer die out of fear so I ask myself "Who is scare fo marv/palmer leading town even though they werent even close to being universally townread I know for a fucking fact I was one of the people posting that might be looking at their scum games. My answer is at least one between Koshi/Rayn. With them out of the picture they are free to take over control as town and push two ML's before someone catches on. There is a 2nd scenario to this which I will address shortly. (I heard you ask me for my reads and I'll give in a more concise manor one I'm done laying out the game plan of what to do once you ML again) | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 16 2014 07:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Poof is there any reason for suspecting OK other than buddying up with Eden for you? There are a couple posts that seem not great from him. Also his partner has done literally nothing to impress me. If i was scum adn my partner was killing it I'd shot up just enough to not throw him off and bail. This seems pretty likely. Like that bs post where sinani showed up to say "oh man can someone roll me mafia I only get town" like what a snooze fest of a useless post. Continueing our saga of things that should happen if you're dumb enough to lynch me and bunnies: Knowning now that there is two left I won't speculate on a night kill but the people left will be really telling for town. I would say that kill should be heavily analyzed but town shouldn't give speculation on it before it happens. Basically I know what I think will happen if things go different than that it leads me to different conclusions so just be wary of it. (This is all vague on purpose because its a lot of WIFOM and in the future bullshit but I hate when town talks about night kills specifically and gives mafia too much info just like when I hate when people like EDEN claim VT therefore narrowing down the pool of people that could be a PR if he is town) Now as far as actual reads and not just shit based on kills I hate Glowingbear this game. This does not feel at all like his town game from the other newbie i was in. He was far more conversational and he made some cases but he wasn't as robotic about it. If you look at his posts they're very neat and meticulous. He clearly spent a lot of time on them.... in my eyes At least as mafia I reread my posts all the time and make sure there isn't anything too scummy in them and fix errors just out of habit. His posts read of someone who planned what he was going to post before hand. When I give my reads I'll show you what I mean about GB. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Now as far as actual reads and not just shit based on kills I hate Glowingbear this game. This does not feel at all like his town game from the other newbie i was in. He was far more conversational and he made some cases but he wasn't as robotic about it. If you look at his posts they're very neat and meticulous Do you feel this weighs up to the fact that he's going for the road of most resistance though? It's a newbie going up against the stream trying to get Rayn lynched over bandwagoning onto your slot, which you, presuming you're town, know is town. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 12 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote: Or put the grapes on spoiler :p Ok I think we have enough posts to make a case. When I get home, I'll reach my computer and do what I do best: filter diving. Then I'm going to bring cases. Expect a big post in around 4 hours since now. Before I go, I must also say that focusing "townhunting" is worse than "scum hunting" in my opinion, because it gets easier to a scum to blend in your town circle and doesn't help to do a good lynch on day1, as you are going to choose who to lynch based on someone you just don't have a strong town read instead of lynching someone you have a strong scumread. On July 12 2014 07:41 GlowingBear wrote: OMG just got back home and BOOM 45 pages to read. Gonna take a shower, skim through the pages, filter dive my strongest scum read and give a case. Then, if I get enough energy, I'll filter dive other people's scum reads to give my opinion. God, it will take a while. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Thisis what I'm talking about with GB. These two posts scream of someone wanting to appear to be townie. "I'm going to read through everything hit a filter up and then make a big case!" Like that all sounds townie but thats not how you think as a townie. You think "I'm going to read the thread and see where I'm at" like how does he know that reading it will cause him to filter dive and find someone he has to case? MAybe he reads it and goes "shit everyone looks really townie who is mafia??" Or maybe he goes "OMG there is like 8 scum in this game who on earth do I look at?" Or maybe he wnats to talk to people. THIS IS NOT A MNDSET OF A TOWN A TOWN DOESNT KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER THEY READ THE THREAD. They are more off the cuff. They do what feels natural. (me for example I was going to spend the whole game basically shit talking robik for being wrong and talk about how all my reads lined up but I was reminded of GB in my posts and remembered these two shit posts and now I felt the need to come post this and vote before I even do anything else.) ##Vote: TeamWeDemandALawyer | ||
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
##Vote: Team WeDemandALawyer | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 16 2014 07:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Do you feel this weighs up to the fact that he's going for the road of most resistance though? It's a newbie going up against the stream trying to get Rayn lynched over bandwagoning onto your slot, which you, presuming you're town, know is town. I think he is taking the strategy of "hey that town is going to get misslynched I'm getting the fuck out of the way of that shit and going to use the fact that I'm pushing on someone else as a good reason to look townie tomorrow" OR I could be wrong and he is town. Which if he is brings more credence to my OK being mafia thing. Cause that slot is doing nothing but path of least resistance. | ||
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