EPTNoir Mini Mafia: Chapter 2 - Page 49
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IAmRobik
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 22 2014 05:25 IAmRobik wrote: ... It's really black and white, and you guys are doing it wrong. Given what happened in this game, your argument isn't very compelling. You listed a bunch of justifications for fake-claiming, and I'll list and respond to them one by one. I sympathize with a lot of the justifications, but the fact is, fake-claiming sounds a lot better on paper than in practice. It is just a high-risk play with very low potential rewards. On July 22 2014 05:15 IAmRobik wrote: Cause if he's mafia, I want him to crack. Sounds good on paper, but there's a far better solution to this. If no one fake claims, he's confirmed town. If someone counter-claims for real, he's mafia. Pretty plain and simple. Instead, you fake-claimed, and town discussion completely went off the rails. There was no actual scum-hunting. Instead, people wasted 20 pages talking about blue claims, and ended up lynching a blue anyway. If he's blue, I want to put pressure on him so that mafia leave him alive in case they decide they'll get him mislynched. Again this sounds good on paper, but you focus on all the potential positive outcomes instead of the many negative outcomes. This game is a perfect example of a negative outcome - you confused town a thousand times more than you confused mafia. All hope of productive discussion was destroyed, and you inspired a bunch of players to make their own fake-claims, further spiraling town into a cycle of chaos. There's literally no reason not to try to take bullets for blues. It's really not a black-white thing. I want my blue alive as long as possible and if I can take a shot for him, then i'm going to do it. There's every reason not to take a bullet for an unconfirmed blue, especially if the alternative is shitting all over the thread to do so. If no one leaves cover for a cop (for example) by leaving fake checks, then the cop can't safely leave his checks. If mafia kills the cop before the cop comes out, which will be easy if no one else is leaving any semblance of certainty about reads, then town doesn't have a boatload of information that they could readily have. You're vastly over-valuing blue roles, and underestimating the shitfest you create by claiming. Like if you fake-claim, who cares about the "information the real cop could have" if no one's going to trust any claim anyway? Then you have a cop alive that no one can trust. Hell it's generally really easy for mafia to find the real cop regardless. Additionally, if everyone leave fake checks, then some people can be given some extra slack and potentially cleared cause mafia should be blue hunting. Obviously, this can be leveled by the mafia, but then the cop stays alive for longer. I have literally never seen a single mafia lynched in a game of forum mafia because he/she was caught "blue hunting." | ||
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Hapahauli
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:47 Blazinghand wrote: For what it's worth, I did eventually back off on the "robik is scum" theory and did other things, like claim blue and get lynched It's not really worth anything. You created a bunch of chaos, antagonized a townie to the point of insanity, then assumed your claim would bail you out after you pissed off everyone in the game. And there's nothing that angry townies do better than mislynching people who annoy them :3 | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:52 IAmRobik wrote: Is there a world where MM1 doesn't get lynched that day? Like ANY WORLD? On a scale of 1-10, how hard would I have to argue for him to not get lynched, and would it even work in the end? Probably not. But who's arguing about that right now? I'm certainly not. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:52 IAmRobik wrote: Is there a world where MM1 doesn't get lynched that day? Like ANY WORLD? On a scale of 1-10, how hard would I have to argue for him to not get lynched, and would it even work in the end? The only world I can see is one where he winds up getting lynched day 1 and we realize that he was an idiot, and then we just move on from there normally. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:52 Hapahauli wrote: It's not really worth anything. You created a bunch of chaos, antagonized a townie to the point of insanity, then assumed your claim would bail you out after you pissed off everyone in the game. And there's nothing that angry townies do better than mislynching people who annoy them :3 sorry, that was meant to be sarcasting. Claiming blue and getting lynched is not an impressive list of achievements. I will say, I was feeling still kinda ok about getting lynched until I found out MM1 was town. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 22 2014 07:26 Blazinghand wrote: sorry, that was meant to be sarcasting. Claiming blue and getting lynched is not an impressive list of achievements. I will say, I was feeling still kinda ok about getting lynched until I found out MM1 was town. Oh, whoops. This game hasn't put me in the best of moods =/ | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: fake claims by town always puts town behind. except for mine, because i know what i am doing, like saving the cop for example. ahem  | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
gimme one example. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
well there was that game you drew out the veteran claim from another player, thus warning mafia off him and giving town one less mislynch you even admitted culpability for that at the time | ||
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Snickers
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
yes after game that was a "bad" decision, but i cc'd his role, and didn't even lynch him when i realized he was most likely "town favored". bad claim? yes. bad claim based on circumstances? i doubt. in the same game i also saved our cop on D1 and fucking made mafia squirm with their "claims". i also NEARLY got the last scum to believe i was SK and not try to kill lthe other dude AFTER lylo.  sooo--- | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
tldr it was bad and pointless. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
i cc'd because i thought i found mafia :D | ||
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