TL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2

On July 07 2014 14:44 kushm4sta wrote:
i like the name cavalinho better.
obiwan shinobi reminds me of shitty star wars movies.

On July 08 2014 00:11 Forumite wrote:
I'm actively withholding judgement on Toades. My first reaction was to ignore my read on Koshi and chainsaw Toades, but that would have been only based on him voting for prplhz. That´s not necessarily a scum trait, just reading prplhz wrong.

Koshi, you have to own up on your vote for iamperfection and post it in the voting thread, it doesn´t count otherwise.

On July 08 2014 00:33 IAmRobik wrote:

At the same time, it's pretty much mafia 101 to call people town who are town cause you know they're town even though people are scum reading them.

Hipster mafia

On July 08 2014 04:19 IAmRobik wrote:
How do you propose finding mafia?
Who is mafia?

On July 08 2014 04:26 IAmRobik wrote:

He's saying that I haven't done anything productive or substantial and that I haven't backed up my reads. I claim that what he's saying is 100% untrue and he's unwilling to prove me wrong. That's scummy as all h-e-double hockey sticks.

On July 08 2014 01:40 ExO_ wrote:
Oh god I've gotten used to how slow World Cup is now, too many posts too fast going on here.

On July 08 2014 04:46 IAmRobik wrote:

I know that I'm town.
I don't know that you're town.
Can't trust you.
My trust is put into Vivax and iamperfection

On July 08 2014 01:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


i voted him to blend in with the town.

i was really hoping nobody would call me on it shit gg.

On July 08 2014 05:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
People I like
Robik
Toad
Koshi
Kush
Iamperfection
Batsnacks

People I don't Like
Yamato
ExO
Damdred

People I don't necessarily care for but wouldn't lynch today
Vivax
VE
Layabout
Robik
Forumite
Cora

Drunk
Layabout


I'm caught up with the thread and will be commenting/asking questions from here on out.

Anybody in the Don't like list can be shot or lynched.

If you want reads for any of them ask me.

Also, if you want my opinion on a certain subject talked about in the last whatever pages, ask me.

Otherwise, I'm not commenting much on anything from before this post unless asked to.

Everything after this post is fair game.

Also, Turkey pot pies are the shizz.

On July 08 2014 21:29 Vivax wrote:
Yamato, tell me more about Obi and what you saw between me and VE.

On July 08 2014 01:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


i voted him to blend in with the town.

i was really hoping nobody would call me on it shit gg.

On July 08 2014 21:56 iamperfection wrote:

so he is basically not being productive yet usually is.

I might get behind that.

On July 08 2014 22:07 Koshi wrote:

Yeah, cuz he thinks I should read him town. Also he dislikes my awesome big posts but for some reason all these vets don't like them. Like marv also never likes them. Dunno. Silly people.

On July 08 2014 23:51 IAmRobik wrote:

Yamato defending every single scummy person in the game for no reason whatsoever.
It's kinda annoying because some people actually listen to his reads

On July 09 2014 00:01 ExO_ wrote:
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi

I'm going to be completely honest I haven't read the thread in it's entirety. But from what I have skimmed through, it looked like forumite was pushed up prematurely for silly Day 1 reasons. So I prefer Obi instead.

On July 09 2014 07:51 Alakaslam wrote:
It always bugs me.

Good to be online as you are!

Note my own admission of the uselessness of what I say to town. You look at that and dismiss it.

But to say I accomplish nothing nonetheless simply proves my own point. THE HELL YOU WANT ME TO DO BOY? BECAUSE ALL YOU DO IS PUT A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE NO MATTER WHAT I SAY

I say "person is scum"?

STFU

I AM god

I AM ELETIST BAMCIS MAN FOR HAVING MAS EXPERIENCE YOU!

BUT YOU DONT CONTRIBUTE

YOU HAVE NO WISDOM

I don't even fight this

YOU DO NOT CONTRIBUTE

YOU DONT EVEN CLAIM TO BE ABLE TO READ GAMES

GTFO IF YOU WILL NOT PLAY

forget that noise. I like to expose and hide my own alignment as I will. I have actually attempted readability this game, but previously said attitude drove me to amusing myself making potshots at the tourists again.

Now you simply continue.

It is not pure jest to say "notice me!"; it is all the interest I have in mafia- and it is great enough for me to join many games, but it is singular nonetheless.

I desire being honestly attempted to be read and studying it!

I want to learn how to craft a read!

When people brush me off because of the past it irks me.

But my mood swings like a pendulum and has already changed in composing this whatever

On July 09 2014 01:44 Toadesstern wrote:
on ObiWan

I know it's supposed to be a joke but that kind of phrase always makes me think the person in question isn't part of town himself... I wanted to blend in WITH THE TOWN.... who the fuck says that

Was ObiWan the one VE pushed? I know he pushed mderg recently but I think someone was on ObiWan as well

On July 09 2014 02:32 Corazon wrote:


What the fuck did TL Meta change? Can I just spew out whatever I want and get a free pass because I posted a lot? WTF Prp? This is a really stupid reason to defend Robik.

On July 09 2014 03:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


1) forumites early read on prp is awful and he should be getting a ton of flak for it, and toads case makes sense given the circumstances. toads corazon case was kinda meh because all it is is nitpicking at word choice and i think hes looking into that post way, way too much.

2) i never bother reading into this shit because the people that fight for pages upon pages are usually town. if you forced me to, id say forumites read is bad, and i dont like the way that hes already setting up for lylo or implying that you and he aren't the same alignment. the thing is that the rest of his filter is decent, and hes basically seeing the same thing im seeing with exo, so he cant be all bad, and i feel like im nitpicking about those things anyway.

prp's filter is okay. i dont see anything wrong with it.

koshi's filter looks fucking amazing, if i do say so myself. MAYBE IM BIASED IM NOT TRYING TO BUDDY HIM WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME.

3) its day 1 and thats generally what happens on day 1. id imagine town is going to coalesce at some point so idk why youre even bothering to ask me this question.

unless you want me to start moving votes with my mind.

back to thoughts i was originally having, there are two players i would like looked into rather than prp/you/forumite/toad:

a bunch of people stole what i wanted to post on exo. what i found odd is that haru is doing the same thing and everyone is giving him a pass:



haru washes away his shitposts with the same reasoning of "im bad so i can feel free to do bad stuff" but i didnt see anyone calling him out for it, even though bunch of people jumped on exo for doing the same thing.

and then there's batsnacks, who wound up tossing down a shitvote and making an excuse in like his third post of the game:



batsnacks is normally kinda goofy but i hate excuses and this strikes me as out of character.

On July 09 2014 07:59 iamperfection wrote:
is there a reason your ignoring me yamato?

On July 09 2014 08:14 iamperfection wrote:
especially since you have played way to many games with me im being way to active to be scum.

On July 09 2014 08:18 iamperfection wrote:
This conversation not going as planned yamato?

On July 09 2014 08:20 IAmRobik wrote:
YAMATO. READ WHAT I JUST POSTED
PLEASE
PLEASE
PRETTY PLEASE

On July 09 2014 10:39 IAmRobik wrote:
Yamato...how are you fucking townreading Cazo. He knows enough about what I'm doing to know that I'm switching my votes, but he doesn't know enough to read the TWO times I've posted my reads now?

IS THIS REAL FUCKING LIFE?

On July 09 2014 11:11 HaruRH wrote:


Robik isn't going OMGWTFBBQ THIS IS SCUM 100% becausr he did this and ML both times. I can kinda understand his play.

Iamp's case is just a meta read, isn't it?

On July 09 2014 11:55 HaruRH wrote:


All I'm getting from his filter is

IAMP IS TOWN BECAUSE HE THINKS IM TOWN AND SO IS VIVAX

CORA/FORUMITE IGNORING MY READS SCUM

FORUMITE NOT SO SCUM

OMG BUNNIES SCUMSLIP SCUM SCUM

It feels awkward lel

It lacks the robik aggressive words but the aggressive tone still remains

Its like an angry dog without teeth

On July 09 2014 22:42 HaruRH wrote:

KOSHI need you votes now!

KOSHI have put the most time in this game. The most words. The most scumhunting.

KOSHI am now your D1 vote leader. (grammar error intended)




New names can be added with an awesome case for 5 more hours.

We do not discuss lurker lynches.


IAMP want to lynch cora/dam so we aren't lynching them today.


This post will be spammed a lot.

On July 09 2014 23:33 iamperfection wrote:

your scum the activity is a huge part of it and i an no way gave reads on every player in the game. They are totally different and i know their and you know their diffrent.

On July 09 2014 23:36 IAmRobik wrote:
I AM MAFIA. KILL ME PLEASE. Then when I flip cop, don't lynch iamperfection

Thanks.

On July 09 2014 23:38 IAmRobik wrote:
You should stop being such a donkey. You're still defending cora for terrible reasons. HE REFUSES TO PLAY THE FUCKING GAME and you're defending him. Geript was right...you're a joke

On July 09 2014 23:41 IAmRobik wrote:

Even if Cora is town, he's actively being detrimental to this game. His top scum read is a town. He's unwilling to try to see a world in which I'm town. He doesn't read my posts and just says that I haven't said anything important when I make very explicit reads (AND I HAVE 1 SINGLE POST IN WHICH THEY ARE SUMMARIZED THAT HE'S UNWILLING TO READ)! He's also been unwilling to answer my questions or ask me questions. Those are all traits of scum who doesn't care about figuring out the fucking game.

If you're right on him being town, then it's because you are fucking hipster mafia.

On February 09 2014 14:32 yamato77 wrote:

Another thing about this post is, why are you only focusing on the people attacking you? You do realize that the logic "I'm town therefor those attacking me have to be wrong/scum" is incredibly silly. If you're going to continue playing as you have, there's no reason for me to believe you. You're not even necessarily trying to find mafia with this post, you're just arguing that people who call you mafia are wrong. You're not even OMGUSing, you're just playing defensive and trying to survive.

You did this SAME kind of thing in Quiet Game where you basically only argued with people that thought you were mafia. If you're not going to take any initiative and try to find things worth talking about, the simplest explanation I can come up with is that you're mafia hoping to just skate by unnoticed.

Now I'll be reading the thread from the point of when I fell asleep last night in more detail. This was the most notable thing I read before I left for work, but inevitably there is more.

On July 09 2014 23:44 iamperfection wrote:
YOU WILL LYNCH YAMATO IF I GET LYNCHED AND YOU WILL MY READ MY LIST OVER AND OVER IF I GET LYNCHED.

Take a look at forum again i may have been wrong on that one with his most recent action

On July 09 2014 23:50 IAmRobik wrote:

Stop railroading this shit. What you posted doesn't prove jack shit. All it proves is that you don't know how to read the thread and what he's doing this game.

You said that I'm making myself look bad is just you trying to be a big bully when in fact, you prove time in and time out that your reads are terrible. The one good read you've ever had in your entire life was the grack read in foundations, and I carried the shit out of that game anyway. Get off your high horse and get back to kneeling before my greatness.

On July 09 2014 23:56 prplhz wrote:

iamp is around cora isn't

On July 09 2014 23:58 Forumite wrote:

Right now Robik is one of my stronger townreads and he is desperately trying to safe iamp from a lynch. I really like the metacase on iamp (which he hasn´t really answered) but how Robik and iamp acts now makes me reconsider.

On July 09 2014 23:59 IAmRobik wrote:

STOP IT KOSHI -- YOURE ACCUSATION OF IAMP IS TERRIBAD
stop stop stop stop stop.

I'd rather you just misylnch me now over iamp because you guys are all donkies and unworthy of being in a game with me

On July 10 2014 00:08 Alakaslam wrote:

You are actually not so different from corazon's usual behavior this game and that is ironic

On July 10 2014 00:10 Toadesstern wrote:
forumite testing my faith... I want to lynch IamP but damn that random unvote and revote with "I really don't like it" after saying the lynch is between him and iamp looks so damn delicious

On July 10 2014 01:09 HaruRH wrote:


I see your point now.

Lynching iamp is bad for town motive. Even if he is scum, we can leave him for later
But when someone like cora, who tunnels so extremely hard, is left alive, he will start convincing people to lynch town pretty soon.

On July 10 2014 01:10 Vivax wrote:
Prplhz, to me your stuff reads as "Meh, I'll lynch whatever".

This whole iamp wagon bugs me cause I agree that it's unlikely scum started it (since Koshi did) and there are some valid arguments + iamp's list post timing, but on the other hand I don't wanna lynch this guy D1 when he can be a potentially strong asset to town.

Can you spell out to me why you're in such a hurry to lynch anything.

On July 10 2014 01:13 HaruRH wrote:


Both the wagon feels town to me now and both feels town driven.
Why would you lynch iamp over cora in my case?

On July 10 2014 01:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm okay with iamp lynch.

##Unvote
##Vote: iamperfection

I'm reading what I've missed now.

On July 10 2014 08:27 ritoky wrote:
Would appear I missed the lynch, guess that's what happens when you take heavy duty pain meds and sleep for 13 hrs... I would have voted for yamato77, but you can take that or leave it.

I think it is kinda absurd that people don't think this guy is mafia. I mean his entire game so far is acting like he is doing stuff, but not really doing anything.



Here let me pocket/sheep cora and defend him very early. Since then they have basically had identical views. For those in order mafia, I remember koshi and I got very mad and yelled for 2 solid days about chrom doing something very similar that game very early on, and voila he was mafia.



Non-committal bs to look active.



"You're wrong robik, trust my reads even though I have only given one all game thus far. Oh, and btw I won't tell you why or how you're wrong, just trust me bro."



Here he is, 3rd on the wagon for the forumite train and for a terrible reason, in fact one that's not even true. forumite gave a reason, it wasn't good; but it was a reason.



Nuff said.



73 pages in and he thinks the best course of action is to sheep a meta read with none of his own real input. Not even an explanation or a quote behind "I feel like you've been angling for easy mislynches all game so far". One would think at that point there is a decent enough amount of content to make a case or at least have an original thought.

In fact pretty sure that's just false. As in his last read post Iamp listed his top 3 mafia as: Cora, Toad, and Damnedred. I mean maybe Damnedred is angling for an easy ML based on your perspective, but the other two are not at all.

I have only played one game with yamato77, so I can't really speak to the validity of this post; but maybe others can:





You were 100% wrong.

Overall, I think he didn't do much on his own this entire game, he promised us on multiple occasions that his reads on cora and iamp were golden and they weren't, he didn't even use any game related info after 73 pages to justify his vote, he was a late comer (3rd or later) on multiple bandwagons and a loud voice on them after he was on them, and he weirdly hard defended cora early.

I just don't like the guy, he is scummy. If I had a night action that involved shooting or checking, I feel he would be a high priority candidate.

On July 10 2014 19:31 mderg wrote:
Reading the conversation between yamato and iamperfect is just awful. I have to check like 5 times every post to see who posted it because they both have an archon as profile pic.



I don´t like this by yamato. Keeping options open on iamperfection without a definite read but at the same time bragging about being able to read him. Seems scummy to me.

On July 11 2014 04:16 prplhz wrote:
Damndred

First read his frigging filter.

Done?

So who were the most talked about for lynch people yesterday? Forumite, iamperfection and Corazon. And Damdred talks about them a total of 1 times when he mentions Forumite in passing. He doesn't have an opinion on iamperfection and he mentions Corazon one single time, very early on, when he just wants to know why he's off iamperfection's list. Why randomly question some town read, that turned out to be correct?

Like Alakaslam already pointed out, there's also some weird jokish stuff in there that looks bad. Joke about being scum, another joke about being scum.

The general attitude of his filter is one of not giving a fuck. I was being very negative and despairing about our prospects of even lynching anyone with all these lurking people around and then his answer was lol maybe we can't agree either. Just a carefree "We probably can't lynch and we probably can't agree" and still he's doing nothing for town. Seems like he's not bothered at all about this.

I also somewhat randomly asked him about why he wasn't voting ObiWanShinobi yesterday and his answer was "Haven't seen a good case". It wasn't a curious investigative "Why you asking about ObiWanShinobi?", it wasn't a boisterous "Because he's totally town!", it wasn't anything,, it was simply a declaration that once he sees a good case on him, he will vote him, along with an apology in case there had been one he had not noticed.

In the end he makes a throwaway vote on ExO_, even saying in his own vote (and earlier in the game) that he doesn't have much reason to think that ExO_ is even scum. Also the wording of the vote "I'm going to put up a vote" seems like it's something he thinks is a big deal but if a townie thinks his vote is a big deal there's going to be a case or a push or whatever. He's not even attempting to drum up support for it, it looks way too much like a throwaway vote.

All in all, he looks really scummy. He hardly takes a stance on anything, he's not trying to involve himself in the happenings of the game, he seems carefree about what he thinks is a bad state of town and he does this nervous joking around and a throwaway vote.

##Vote Damdred

On July 11 2014 04:35 HiroPro wrote:
I feel good about my vote.

On July 11 2014 06:42 slOosh wrote:
I want to play a game where we have a bunch of people, and we kill the last one to cast a vote.

The pool being ritoky, batsnacks, mderg, sinani, damdred and hiropro.

And they can only vote for other people in the pool.

Best game ever.

Jk, I'll be reading up on these dudes, but I'm like reasonably sure like 2 or 3 mafia are in here.

On July 11 2014 07:10 ExO_ wrote:
Is the final vote count actually listed anywhere? From the voting thread I took the last vote count before the vote reset and then added in the appropriate votes and came up with this:

Day 1 Votecount

iamperfection (14): prplhz, toadesstern, sloosh, harurh, visceraeyes, obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta, yamato77, alakaslam, koshi, forumite, Vivax, Sinani, corazon
corazon (2): iamperfection, iamrobik
exo_ (1): damdred
ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies
obiwanshinobi (1): exo_
forumite (1): bill
hiropro (1): batsnacks

There's obviously quite a bit of information missing from this however (vote changes primarily) and if I've missed a mod vote count post please let me know.

On July 11 2014 10:31 layabout wrote:
yamato ritoky was also very anti-ninjabunnies

i would take sinani out of that kill list his play has been really good

On July 11 2014 11:31 ritoky wrote:
I still don't really see why yamato77 is very town. He has done more townie things since I had called him out, so he is not the leading candidate for my vote, but I still have a slight scum read on him.

On July 13 2014 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm not mad - I'm just saying if I had a gun I'd kill you in the night, that's all. <3

On July 13 2014 13:35 kushm4sta wrote:
did you hit it though?

User was temp banned for this post.

On July 15 2014 17:15 slOosh wrote:

Exo's Obiwan vote. Genuine or bus?

On July 15 2014 20:39 Koshi wrote:
SlOosh is probably mafia.

As in 80% sure.

If you don't want to kill him today make sure to kill him in any lylo situation.

On July 15 2014 20:53 Koshi wrote:

I disagree. He isn't active. He isn't solving the game. He isn't being tunneled.

I am looking at his filter and there is no mention of Vivax, while slOosh is being the lurkerhunter. Now he is voting Vivax?

In his entire filter there is nothing on Vivax anyway, there is this really small question from Vivax to SlOosh and I am not yet sure if it is out of place. Maybe:

He didn't quote the Vivax interaction. While slOosh always quotes what he replies to.

And there are 2 defenses of Vivax:



Especially the last one is strange. Unless slOosh was invested in that conversation?

On July 15 2014 21:04 Koshi wrote:

This list is so bad. Who would ever agree to it.

I can see why we are still alive.

On July 16 2014 02:47 HiroPro wrote:

this guy. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

On July 16 2014 02:40 Koshi wrote:
Lynching somebody who is posting completely nothing is just meh.

On July 16 2014 02:53 HiroPro wrote:
why does anyone post nothing as town yamato? because they aren't around lol. have you never seen an inactivity modkill before? anyway I have no real idea what Vivax's alignment is. If he's still around later he can be dealt with then.

On July 10 2014 23:47 ExO_ wrote:
I'm going to be 100% honest with everybody here, I don't like being super active day 1, and my vote on Obi was because at the time I voted I thought he was a better lynch candidate than forumite. I'm glad he flipped scum, but I didn't have any great analytical reasons for voting him.

Now that the day 1 votes are in I'll be able to start analyzing things based on voting+posting. I'm gonna wait until World Cup Mafia wraps up in a few hours, then move on over here to do that.

On July 11 2014 18:24 ExO_ wrote:
So far I think Toad/Layabout/Viscera are town. They are all very actively trying to solve the game and I don't think that mafia would be doing it quite like this at this point.

I'm not sure that I think the case on mderg is that great, but his silence is disturbing. Seems like he's letting the case on him pass hoping the stuff with BM takes over. I'm not sure what to think about him, could flip either way at this point.

But I don't understand why BM would fake claim role block? It doesn't make any sense. And I don't fully understand the masoning stuff happening with Koshi/prplhz could somebody explain to me how that would work?

And I definitely think scum is lurking right now, so I'm suspicious of people such as:

Forumite/Alakaslam/Damdred/HaruRH/layabout

and would like to hear from them in the thread

On July 12 2014 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
Sheeping Vivax, I like what he has to say

##Vote: mderg

On July 14 2014 04:28 ExO_ wrote:
I've been neglecting this mafia a little bit for the other one. I'm going to try to catch up on everything, but anything anybody can post summary wise to help me in that regard would be appreciated.

Kush is still here, just afk correct?

On July 15 2014 02:34 ExO_ wrote:
I am transparently here!

On July 22 2014 06:09 marvellosity wrote:

well obviously I won n1 by shooting him, but that's besides the point