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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 14 2014 22:55 GMT
#2744
VE wasn't blocked n2.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 14 2014 22:59 GMT
#2746
How does it make you wrong about toad?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 14 2014 23:08 GMT
#2749
On July 15 2014 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Actually yea I do and I feel stupid now for posting that.

So yea I feel like Toad is scummy after revealing in my stupidity

Wait step me through your thought process.

You thought toad was scummy.

I said VE wasn't blocked n2.

Then you said you were wrong about toad.

Could you explain the transitions between each statement?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 14 2014 23:27 GMT
#2754
On July 15 2014 08:11 Damdred wrote:
Sure, the last time I dealt with a watcher it was a modified version of its role and acted more like a tracker.

So instead of just going with the normal job of what a watcher does I went with what I played with the last few times I had it to deal with in a game.

Therefore in my mind before I found out I was acting dumb

VE confirmed toad good, Damdred wrong and should feel bad.

Therefore I will stick with my read of Toad being scummy to me but i'm still bad.

I'm still not following. How did VE confirm toad?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 15 2014 00:09 GMT
#2758
I don't think that's what Toad is doing here. BM lying weighed heavily in his mind which affected his interpretation of the events.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 15 2014 06:38 GMT
#2810
How did Exo go from #1 read to #2 read? What changed it?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 15 2014 06:47 GMT
#2812
On July 15 2014 15:45 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2014 16:42 ritoky wrote:
These scum reads are in no particular order.



that is at the top of my last post, they were just numbered for organization's sake in the last post. i guess if you wanted a reason why you're above him, it would be that i feel he is doing nothing, while you're doing actively scummy things i.e. pushing the same agenda you were before.

Ok. Explain what exactly that I am doing, and explain how it is scummy.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 15 2014 08:03 GMT
#2815
Interesting.

I'm not scum though.

Personally I don't really think all scum necessarily have roles. If you look at the blue roles that have flipped so far, they aren't that strong. I don't put as much weight in people not visiting.

I've been prodding people to talk because lots of people including yourself won't talk otherwise.

If you had to describe town atmosphere the whole game, how would you do it?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 15 2014 08:15 GMT
#2816
On July 15 2014 17:01 yamato77 wrote:
If Vivax isn't going to play, we lynch him. Simple.

Exo's Obiwan vote. Genuine or bus?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 15 2014 08:22 GMT
#2818
On July 15 2014 17:01 yamato77 wrote:
If Vivax isn't going to play, we lynch him. Simple.

I'm down with this.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 15 2014 22:17 GMT
#2898
Are we ready to lynch Vivax yet?

For the record, I think kush actually didn't read his PM day 1. Hence him slapping ObiWan on his scum list and bolding him.
On July 15 2014 07:54 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Where did Vivax go?

He would be way more active if he was town I feel.

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 01:26 Vivax wrote:
What's the deal with those kush votes?

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 01:37 Vivax wrote:
Can Cav, Robik and VE explain what about kush's post makes him instascum?

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 02:05 Vivax wrote:
Yea kush stop being an ass and read your PM if you haven't.

Does somebody else want to chime in onto VE and forumite, who fucked off x2 or am I fighting a lonely fight?

Robik, did you already forget that kush claiming to not have read his PM has happened in the recent past and I don't recall you going instalynch on him?

I did though cause he wasn't trying to solve the game, initially, but I wouldn't get that notion just from his first post.

huehuehue

This in retrospect looks funky.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 15 2014 22:31 GMT
#2901
A case can be made that Vivax has been playing quite passively, evident by how late his votes come in, and how uninvolved in the main wagon discussions he has been.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 16 2014 03:48 GMT
#2916
Read Vivax's filter for yourself, and ask "How much involvement has he had with the major topics of this game".

He has 6 pages of filter, but 5 of those were on D1. So for a full 3 cycles he has only a page worth of posts. Then look at those posts and see how many of them were relevant to the major topics of the game.

Then vote Vivax or explain why you think he is town.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 16 2014 05:43 GMT
#2922
Bill you realize if either yamato or I were scum, we could have gotten you lynched through your check?

But we didn't and instead lynched scum? Like c'mon dude. Just vote Vivax.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 16 2014 05:45 GMT
#2923
Eh should have refreshed.

I heavily doubt Koshi is scum. Dude has like 16 pages of content to his name.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 16 2014 06:23 GMT
#2924
Hmm ... maybe it's time to make a sheepable case since it seems like half the town can't be bothered to read filters or just read.

I'll use nice font and everything, so you can feel good about sheeping it.


Why you should vote Vivax

Charge 1:
Vivax's activity drops off rapidly after D1.
On July 10 2014 23:06 Palmar wrote:
Day 2

IAmRobik the Repulsive Crone is dead
+ Show Spoiler [Role PM] +

Vanilla Townie

You are an ordinary person dragged into an extraordinary situation. You need to be the voice of reason in town.

You have no abilities except the power to vote.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

+ Show Spoiler [Actual Role] +


Repulsive Crone

You are just disgusting in every facet. Your skin boils and blisters, and your hair crawls with maggots. Your vile stench makes a sewage pipe seem like sweet lavender.

Because you are so unbearably nauseating, anyone trying to perform an action on you will recoil in horror, their every sense viciously assaulted. This will cause them to stagger away to a nearby, random house, and perform their action on another player. In their horrified confusion, they’ll still think their action was carried out on you, though.

And oh - there’s one exception. You can still be hit by KP, because ending your revolting life is doing the world a favour, and people can just about bear to take you out from distance. Bad luck.


ObiWanShinobi the Mafia Janitor is dead
+ Show Spoiler [Role PM] +

Janitor

When someone needs to not only die, but disappear, you are the man for the job. Feeding victims to pigs is just monday in your world.

Twice in the game you can send in the name of a player. You will kill that player, and his body will mysteriously disappear. The target will not flip.

You win when the mafia can not be stopped.

You are also able to deliver one mafia KP per night, in addition to your abilities.


On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote:
something

You have to check his filter for yourself here, but you can see his first post was after D2 was on page 5 of his filter. That said he has only 1 more page of filter after that. So that's 1 page of posts for D2, N2, D3, N3 and D4. That's like a week. Sure town could be busy and posting may dip here and there, but this is a plummet in post count. Not only that he straight up hasn't posted anything for like 5 days.


Charge 2:
Vivax isn't really involved in the main wagons of each day.

For D1:
If you open his whole filter and Ctrl + F "iamp", you will see how few and far his posts on him are, when such a large portion of the D1 discussion was on him.

On July 08 2014 22:19 Vivax wrote:
If iamp was scum I'd have caught him already.

When you have this picture in your head of some threatening big guy posting authoritarian one-liners about stuff that deserves attention you can be sure he's town.

On July 10 2014 00:29 Vivax wrote:
The thing bothering me about iamp is just the timing of that reads post.
It came right after Toad pointed out how he made similar posts in other games where he was town.
Which made me think he could have made it just for the purpose of appearing town.

Anyway still need to finish a few pages.

On July 10 2014 01:22 Vivax wrote:
Ok, that post is pretty convincing.


##Unvote
##Vote iamperfection

This is not someone who was involved in figuring out the lynch on D1. He just stepped back and watched stuff happen. At the start he called iamp town, but then over time he wanted to join on the lynch on iamp so he makes a really questionable post to find a reason (see how he calls iamp scum for doing something that he does as town !!!), and even then just sits around and waits to stick his vote.

Vivax was not involved in the D1 lynch.

For D2:
On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote:
I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads.

Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to.

I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need.

Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi.

The first post after D2, he points out mderg as good chance of being scum.

Next post:
On July 11 2014 07:26 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 07:17 layabout wrote:
The point was that VE called mderg scum partly for throwaway posting then leaving mderg did that again and i jumped on it.

kush then said i wasn't looking at mdergs point that VE had a hard read and ditched it for a mislynch

my post was highlighting that mderg point was made in a way to make himself look good whilst attacking ve his accuser and that the thing he was saying about ve was a lie since VE clearly didn't have a hard read and his switch to another target was very predictable

furthermore if you look at mdergs posting today it doesn't exactly say "town agenda"


So the point is that mderg defended himself by claiming that VE never scumread him, while saying that VE is scummy for that?
But VE did consider him as scumread, so it was untrue.

Alrighty, I hope it's easier to digest now.

I'd lke to hear mderg's version of this before deciding if I should apply this as well.

He defends mderg against layabout's accusations. Not in a "well I don't agree with your reasoning but I think mderg is scum too", but in a "I don't see your point, I'm gonna wait to see how mderg responds". It's awkward, and there isn't any movement to actually try to get mderg lynched.

Next he makes a big post on how HiroPro is scum based off of how he reacted to the mderg wagon. What he doesn't make is a post trying to get other people to lynch mderg.


Note where his votes are in the D1 and D2 lynches (the order isn't right so you can check for yourself in the voting thread here.
On July 10 2014 01:22 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote iamperfection
On July 10 2014 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Official Votecount

iamperfection (11): prplhz, toadesstern, sloosh, vivax, harurh, obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta, yamato77, alakaslam, koshi, forumite
corazon (2): iamperfection, iamrobik
exo_ (1): damdred
ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies
obiwanshinobi (1): exo_
iamrobik (1): corazon
forumite (2): visceraeyes, bill
hiropro (1): batsnacks

With 26 players alive it takes 14.0 votes to lynch.

Last update 16:25 GMT (+00:00)

On July 11 2014 23:59 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: mderg
On July 12 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote:
Official Votecount

exo_ (1): mderg
billmurray (4): prplhz, toadesstern, yamato77, hiropro
mderg (8): sloosh, vivax, harurh, sinani206, damdred, kushm4sta, alakaslam, koshi
forumite (2): visceraeyes, billmurray

With 20 players alive it takes 11.0 votes to lynch.

Last update 15:00 GMT (+00:00)

11th and 8th. Basically last on the wagon. This is someone who watches the wagon build up, doesn't really interact with it, and still ends up on it when everyone else has gone on. Vivax was not involved in the D1 or D2 wagons at all.



Charge 3:
Vivax puts suspicions on people in an indirect way, such that he doesn't look responsible.


I have a 3rd point but I need to wake up early tomorrow so I'm just gonna hope the first two points are enough. But you can look at his filter and see how he calls people scum, and you can see it's really indirect and non committal.



So let's sum it up.

Vivax was not involved in the D1 or D2 lynches. Vivax has only 6 pages of filters, 5 of which are in D1, and almost none of which was related to the main wagons of either day. Vivax makes noncommittal accusations against people and doesn't do much to actually get scum lynched.

This isn't a "oh well let's just lynch a lurker". Vivax actually looks like scum.

Vote Vivax. Do it.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 16 2014 18:46 GMT
#3042
Wait what is going on? Deadline in 10?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 16 2014 18:47 GMT
#3043
Vivax called layabout scum, which indicates he totally has not read the thread carefully at all.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 16 2014 18:48 GMT
#3046
Fine, dropping hammer, respect the silence.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 16 2014 18:52 GMT
#3050
Ok we lynch Vivax tomorrow yes? Sheesh.
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