TL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 - Page 11

On July 11 2014 18:55 Bill Murray wrote:
Koshi and Sinani can both be scum, guys

On July 11 2014 08:07 layabout wrote:
in response to koshi:
today mderg has:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552040
tried to discredit yamato who let's be honest, has had town shining out of his arse for quite a long time

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552107
been critical of corazon who has flipped town since (this is not to say that corazon was acting really town just that it turns out he was)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552970
acted defensively but conceded validity to the case against him

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552999
tried to point out specific posts that make him look town

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22553103
pointed out he had a read that he doesn't have anymore

there are a few one liners which dont add much

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22554088
this post has no value but if you follow it you might get confused, what is the point of it?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22554556
big space for a post, we have a null read wifom and a correction about how mafia's shot's work

a lot of these post's could be interpreted as having mafia goals behind them some quite clearly others less so or not at all. However you have to make quite an effort to see these posts as coming from a pro-town mindset.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22554887
criticism of a case follow by insults

On July 11 2014 19:10 prplhz wrote:

there's no way you're not getting lynched until you adequately explain

1) why did you fake claim roleblock
2) why did you track koshi
3) why did you out sinani

On July 11 2014 20:16 prplhz wrote:

no. i gave you enough chances and you kept trolling. i closed the tab, delete the chrome history entries, and the host PM with the link. not going to risk going into the qt and then you're just trolling me for the 1000th time, i would figuratively literally lose my mind.

On July 11 2014 21:07 sinani206 wrote:
didn't see the need to claim this early but yeah i can connect two people; i chose robik and koshi, robik died and it got deflected to prp

On July 11 2014 22:53 Forumite wrote:
I´m against a BM lynch. He does weird shit, nothing new there. I don´t mind the claim, he probably wanted to get it posted before scum gets around to shooting him.

On July 12 2014 01:19 Forumite wrote:
Why did you unvote?

On July 12 2014 01:27 mderg wrote:

Agreed. You should wait until shortly before the deadline. I still want to get some reads out before I´m (most likely) lynched.

On July 10 2014 10:08 layabout wrote:
at page 42 and i can't believe that koshi could head up a wagon

kinda don't want to post properly yet but since you insist kush..


kush the very statement that VE was convinced mderg was scum is untrue.
If you look at VE's posts around the time he is clearly willing to move to Exo could get behind a forumite lynch and is open to nearly anyone that isn't very active as a potential lynch.

Hell look at his vote post:





Click the nested bit!!
mderg says that that isn't "close to a scumread" however, I would say it's a description of scummy behavior making it pretty much "close to a scumread" mderg is either lying or is inattentive.

His actions not only fit but match VE's day1 play in nearly every game i have seen him in. VE's vote typically bounces around all over the place. VE is clearly open to a number of lynches and is actively considering other lynche candidate eg corazon. Mderg's point that VE swapped from a hard read to someone who he didn't think was scummy is also totally misrepresentative.

mderg is not only adding a throwaway point but one that is not valid

If you still aren't convinced about VE give this a read:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?user=VisceraEyes&page=2

mderg addresses VE's switch by suggesting that VE never thought mderg was mafia in the first place
This leaves the idea that VE is mafia and acted knowing that mderg is town,
not just in a way suggest's VE is mafia because mderg thinks VE is mafia. This is making a point in the way mafia might attempt to as they benefit from doing so.

I will likely get onto this later but nothing looked town about obiwan's entrance into the thread and i am surprised it hasn't been jumped on yet
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22528115

On July 11 2014 16:26 slOosh wrote:
Right now I'm most comfortable with an mderg lynch.


Let me expound:


Context: D2 (pg 94~95), Vivax asks mderg to clarify his scumreads. Additionally he asks if mderg still scumreads yamato (presumably asking about mderg's interpretation of the Obiwan flip).

Mderg responds "you forgot VE". As in, "VE is still a scumread".

Then he says of yamato, "he was on ObiWanShinobi, right?", and then retracts his scumread on yamato based on his voting of ObiWan and the unlikelyhood of a bus.

Checkpoint: At this post, mderg knows that ObiWan flipped scum. I say this because he is doing this slow reading thing, and it's not at all clear where he is and while really annoying, it's something to consider. He has read the D2 daypost and knows ObiWan flipped scum.

The way the phrasing happens, mderg is recalling from memory the D1 stuff. "yamato was on Obi right?"

Night 1, p90:

mderg's scumread on VE is precisely because VE moved his vote off him (mderg) onto Obiwan. So mderg knows that VE voted ObiWan. Yet when he reconsiders yamato as potential town for being on ObiWan, he does not mention VE at all! The read that should have changed first doesn't change!


What's my point?

mderg is scum because he is inconsistent. The information he holds and the way he interprets it is inconsistent with his reads. Town don't do that. Scum do that.

##Vote: mderg

On July 11 2014 07:46 layabout wrote:
clarifying this:

what i am saying is in relation to this quote:


mderg exaggerates VE's original position to say that VE was convinced about his read.,
he then tries to make it look as if VE didn't think or at least shouldn't have thought obiwan was mafia, from what had been said in the thread.

mderg then makes the point that the switch was too easy for VE and that, that is scummy since he should have stuck with his hard read.

what mderg is saying suggests that VE's scumread on him was BS since he was willing to switch without saying much.

mderg was calling VE scummy in a way that looks like it was intended to make mderg look good.

i would argue this is scummy since if mderg thought VE was scummy he needs to push that. It doesn't need to be tied in to mderg's own image

but enough of that

On July 11 2014 08:07 layabout wrote:
in response to koshi:
today mderg has:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552040
tried to discredit yamato who let's be honest, has had town shining out of his arse for quite a long time

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552107
been critical of corazon who has flipped town since (this is not to say that corazon was acting really town just that it turns out he was)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552970
acted defensively but conceded validity to the case against him

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22552999
tried to point out specific posts that make him look town

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22553103
pointed out he had a read that he doesn't have anymore

there are a few one liners which dont add much

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22554088
this post has no value but if you follow it you might get confused, what is the point of it?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22554556
big space for a post, we have a null read wifom and a correction about how mafia's shot's work

a lot of these post's could be interpreted as having mafia goals behind them some quite clearly others less so or not at all. However you have to make quite an effort to see these posts as coming from a pro-town mindset.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22554887
criticism of a case follow by insults

On July 11 2014 22:22 layabout wrote:
I think a forumite lynch could give some good info and i was a little torn between the two but mderg's vote on Exo is inexcusable.
dude basically claimed mafia.

I could see hiro being mafia. The BM push is bullshit we have good reason to suspect others so why would you jump on a LAL lynch?