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Okay have it your way ##vote Vivax | ||
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We literally always do it, or some other even dumber variation. | ||
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See you. | ||
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On June 27 2014 06:35 Vivax wrote: Reporting in. ##Vote Palmar Looks innocent enough, a random vote in the RVS stage. Nothing really to go on there. However we all know the point of the RVS is to actually start some discussion. I immediately tried to force him to talk about his vote. I knew he didn't actually have an explanation for it, but he should then just say so. Instead he panicked and decided to joke around instead. This on it's own isn't too much. Maybe Vivax is just an asshole who doesn't like trying to win as town. But his later contributions are far more damning. There is going to be a very clear theme in his posting from this point on. The theme is: Ask questions, offer no explanations himself. This is the easiest shit to do in the world as mafia. On June 27 2014 07:21 Vivax wrote: Why so serious kush. Is talking just to talk at this stage something that should be considered scummy? Questions. On June 27 2014 07:40 Vivax wrote: why why why not explain it now Notice how other people offered opinions when presented with sort of baseless reads. Cav immediately offered an opinion on the town-read on me. Vivax doesn't have an opinion, but he feels inclined to contribute so the simplest route to take is just to ask questions. On June 27 2014 16:50 Vivax wrote: I was just waiting for you to join the party. That guarantees that all scum must have posted something already. Don't you think activity needs some stirring up? Will you imitate the thread's frequent jokeposting tone since you're a latecomer or did you try to put your serious glasses on yet? I wonder what Vivax's opinion on whether activity needs stirring up is? On June 27 2014 17:11 Vivax wrote: Some lemon juice and 2 spoons of sugar should do, Alfred. Opinions on Robik's obsession with claims? Do you think it has the potential to give any benefit to either of the two factions? Is mderg too lurky for his usual standard? (Oh hey, a new post, keep it up/ninjad) Is kush derping indicative or not? More questions, no conclusions or even insights into Vivax's thought process. There is however a hole in my logic. Vivax has actually given us one opinion. This one here: On June 27 2014 16:42 Vivax wrote: Kush looks scummy. and then followed up with this one here. On June 27 2014 16:55 Vivax wrote: This one felt out of context and just aggressive in a weird way for that early stage of the game, but since it was at an early stage I would be obligated to accept the explanation that it was a joke post if kush so pleases. He can also admit it was serious I don't know yet but I would like to know. Plus I said hey kush earlier in the game after he said hi and posted nothing. The post from me went unnoticed and kush has been generally derping around a bit too much for my taste with the role pm reading stuff which gives me the impression he's not really following the game very closely and with interest. Maybe I'm misreading the bolded, but it looks like Vivax believes that Kush hasn't read his role pm, which is contradictory to his opinion that kush is scummy, because someone who hasn't read his role pm is by definition not scummy, because he cannot be. So either Vivax thinks Kush hasn't read the role pm and thus is not scummy, or he thinks he has read the role pm, and is thus scummy. If we have a Vigi Kush should be shot. Not reading role pm on day one should be policy lynch, but Vivax is just juicier. | ||
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On June 27 2014 18:18 Vivax wrote: Palmar that whole case is either a lot of confirmation bias or you're scum who picked a target. I don't care what you think it is. You don't want to play the game until you're forced to = you're mafia, or at best a destructive town => you die. | ||
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On June 27 2014 18:18 Vivax wrote: 1. Using mderg and Cav as sample size for judging me but not anyone else posting here at this time is biased. Why? On June 27 2014 18:18 Vivax wrote: 2. I contribute more to people I find interesting myself. I didn't make a judgment over your early behaviour cause you openly fucked off from the game and didn't give me enough to analyze based on the rvs. While others think they can get a conclusion from it I don't. Why? | ||
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On June 27 2014 18:24 Vivax wrote: ??? If I have no reason for that vote and that is so obvious, then I also have no obligation to post something to your liking. This argument says nothing. If I reply seriously you can say I panicked, if I reply with a joke post you can say I panicked. If you reply seriously you can claim to have been trying to move the game forward in a meaningful manner. While yes, I could claim you panicked, (hint, I wouldn't), I could not have said you were actively sabotaging the game. On June 27 2014 18:24 Vivax wrote: It needs stirring up as I tried to express with the vocative post to Koshi. I don't see why you're posting this if not for the sole sake of making me look shit for no reason. If there is no reason it cannot by definition make you look shit. If you do look shit, then there is a reason. This is logic 101. If you wanted activity, why didn't you just start doing something. Hell, you should be applauding me! I'm creating super useful activity. Or do you maybe just want activity that doesn't focus on you? Don't need to. The fact that you don't fuck up something in every post doesn't mean you're not mafia. Scum doesn't give themselves away in every post. But when you have a suspicious pattern, and the one exception to that pattern is shit because it is invalid (unless you explain that Kush is lying), then we have something. | ||
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On June 27 2014 18:28 Vivax wrote: A fine technique you have here. First you say I don't give any opinions. Then you claim all my contributions are just one opinion, effectively contradicting your previous statement but at the same time making it look like I'm lazy or disinterested. Furthermore, you don't take into account my more recent opinions, which shows that the amount of opinions I give isn't as relevant to your read as you claim it is. Your one opinion is irrelevant because you cannot have it unless I misunderstood you thinking Kush was telling the truth about not reading his role pm. And even if it's not, I pointed it out myself. I maybe should've used the wording "almost no conclusions", although your "kush is scummy" was hardly a conclusion. It's irrelevant, but if you're going to argue semantics, I guess that tells me more than I need to know about the validity of my case. | ||
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On June 27 2014 18:37 Vivax wrote: "Hey, let's stir up activity, Koshi". Does it look shit? Is that what you want to say? You try to reply with generalities to something specific already implying that it is shit without explaining why it is shit. tl;dr: There's nothing scummy about what I've said and palmar is trying to justify why he brings up something like that with a syllogism. No. This is not how it works. Scum whines about town atmosphere/activity/spam/whatever Town actually does something about it. You said activity was low. There is no reason for you to point it out. One person can fix activity if he really wants to. Look at what I'm doing! If my logic is faulty grow some balls and call me mafia. | ||
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On June 27 2014 18:37 Vivax wrote: And for completion's sake: My opinion on the subject is that if you don't read your role PM you can still play like a townie cause it gives you a benefit even if you're mafia. If you're good you might catch your teammates "unintentionally" and that's the downside to not reading it. But as I stated earlier (I think) I didn't get the feeling that kush is trying to solve the game, which is something you would still try with the strategy of not reading your PM. So what? If you believe he's not reading the role PM it doesn't matter what he's doing. Is your point that he did not read his role pm and is trying to leverage that to make his scumgame be better at the cost of town? So basically he is not reading his role pm as a scum-strategy? That's irrelevant, because if he didn't read his role pm, he would use it as scum-strategy even if he rolled town. So again, he by definition cannot be mafia. | ||
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