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ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 02:20 GMT
#1283
Just got home, starting to look into the events of Day 1 pretty heavily. This game is making me appreciate the voting thread from last game, it's so much harder to look back into that information without a separate thread.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 04:01 GMT
#1287
So for starters there are 2 scenarios from the day 1 results: Either Cavalinho was mafia, or he wasn't. If he was mafia then we should've seen some votes move at the end of the day to his only major rival, sinanai. If he wasn't mafia, then the only 2 major candidates for voting at the end weren't mafia. Which would mean mafia had no incentive to really get one killed over the other.

Looking at the end, mderg tried to switch but his vote didn't go through. If he's mafia, I don't think he tries that. I mean why? What's the incentive?* This makes me think he isn't mafia. And if Cava is mafia, the mafia team sure was willing to let him die day 1. He came extremely close. This makes me think, that Cava isn't mafia either. Ruling out these 2, myself, and the people that have already died leaves me with this list, of which I believe the 3 mafia names are contained

1) ObviousOne
4) kushm4sta
5) Tehpoofter
9) Rainbows
11) Vivax
12) IAmRobik
13) HaruRH

*(in the course of investigating this list, I realized an incentive: mderg could be switching as mafia to try to kill the claimed cop, though I think it's highly unlikely.)

So after going through these filters the 2 most likely Candidates for mafia in my opinion are Vivax and HaruRH.

Starting with HaruRH, he really pushes the idea of killing off Cav day 2 if he doesn't die Night 1. He's also actively trying to link cav and mderg, or at least repeatedly claiming both as mafia. This isn't a solid idea in my opinion. If Cav is mafia, why does mderg switch to him at the last second? mderg could be mafia, but the way he switched votes at the last second to cav doesn't seem to me like a mafia trying to get the cop lynched. HaruRH I think wants cav lynch on day 2, have him flip town, and then wants to lynch mderg day 3 because he knows 1 of those 2 is scum.

The case on HaruRH is decent, but I think there is a possibility he's a severely misguided town. A very slim possibility and I really think it's much more likely he's mafia. But I have almost no doubt in my mind that Vivax is scum. Let's start with:

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 29 2014 05:22 Vivax wrote:
Just fyi, Palmar tells his dying scumbuddies to fakeclaim before they die so theý fish a blue coutnerclaiming with their death.

If you're cop don't counterclaim, keep a mental note that cav is scum, get your check off and then see if you can claim the next day.


If my theory is correct, Vivax knows that cav isn't scum. He probably believes Cav's cop claim. But for public purposes, he has to appear as though he doesn't believe cavs cop claim. So he says the aforementioned. Also he's planting seeds to kill Palmar, but palmar died (likely died to town vigilante). We know palmar flipped town. I don't think Vivax was counting on this, but it does make what he said here look odd. If you read his filter he is trying hard to set up for Palmer.


+ Show Spoiler +
On June 28 2014 17:30 Vivax wrote:


I think kush and sinani are town, cause their reactions were similar to mine and cause kush is giving me some town feelz with more recent posts. I don't see anything wrong with sinani backpedaling from his vote cause I would have done the same.
.



Mafia calling town as town.

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 01 2014 00:56 Vivax wrote:
Is there any poor soul in here that still thinks Cava is a cop?

Where have his N1 posts been when he should have been afraid of being NKed, leading to him posting about stuff that would be important before his eventual death?



Because I believe cav isn't mafia, this looks to me like mafia afraid cav would be mediced on N1, and is setting up for a D2 lynch on cav (who is the cop).

So those are my thoughts. I think HaruRH and Vivax are scum based on the day 1 voting, and what's been said.

Everybody else is either a town read or a null read for me. I'm not sure who the 3rd mafia might be.

##Lynch Vivax




ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 04:03 GMT
#1288
EBWOP

the 1st paragraph of my above post was from when I first started analysis, and thus doesn't indicate that mafia did indeed have an incentive to potentially kill cav (claimed cop) over sinani. But I think the incentive is minor enough that mafia is okay with either one (meaning a mafia wasn't up for voting on D1)
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 06:01 GMT
#1304
##unvote
##vote Haru


Vivax is the better choice tho :/
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 19:45 GMT
#1391
Im at work right now but I have no intention of switching. If we wont kill Vivax then HaruRH is the only other scumread I feel good about. Ill be lurking on my phone in case shit gets crazy at the end but I am on a phone so I cant create posts easily or quickly
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 20:02 GMT
#1395
the chance that mderg is mafia is really low, if he is mafia his day 1 voting is odd and sloppy
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 20:23 GMT
#1417
On July 02 2014 05:04 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 05:02 ExO_ wrote:
the chance that mderg is mafia is really low, if he is mafia his day 1 voting is odd and sloppy


Go into detail I want to hear your full reasoning for why he wouldn't ever drop that meaningless vote a mafia.


Okay, I explained this earlier, but theres no way he and cav are both mafia, because mderg nearly got cav killed day 1 with that late vote switch that didn't count. So if cav was mafia mderg wouldn't have switched. So if you assume mderg is mafia and cav isnt then why is mderg switching to cav at the last second? mafia that don't have their plan in order by the last 60s are really sloppy. I dont believe as mafia that merg is switching that late, mafia were already voting and sticking by that point.

mderg was a concerned town reacting to 2 last minute votes
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 20:31 GMT
#1436
On July 02 2014 05:27 IAmRobik wrote:
ExO could be sincere and he and mderg are mafia together and cava is town, but meh


if this is true why wouldn't I just hop on cav bandwagon now? it'd be too complex, mafia trying to meta game that much instead of taking an easy chance to lynch push a town cav lynch are bound to have it backfire
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 20:33 GMT
#1442
On July 02 2014 05:30 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 05:28 Vivax wrote:
I thought you preferred mderg over Exo

I do...but if we lynch Cava and Cava flips cop then ExO is almost certainly mafia based off of the fact that he brought the logic that mberg doesn't do that as scum -- it doesn't necessarily make mderg scum for switching late.



How would I be mafia? I think cav is town and mderg is town, and stated such several hours ago
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 20:37 GMT
#1445
On July 02 2014 05:34 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 05:32 IAmRobik wrote:
On July 02 2014 05:31 ExO_ wrote:
On July 02 2014 05:27 IAmRobik wrote:
ExO could be sincere and he and mderg are mafia together and cava is town, but meh


if this is true why wouldn't I just hop on cav bandwagon now? it'd be too complex, mafia trying to meta game that much instead of taking an easy chance to lynch push a town cav lynch are bound to have it backfire

Cause a Cava lynch is really shady for mafia to jump onto. Hell, it's tough for me to start it because I don't know if he's cop or mafia, but i really raelly think that he's mafia right now because he's being super fucking shady


[i]Why? Why am I shady?[i]

Nobody fucking follows my reads and then says I'm shady because I'm not playing. Are we just disregarding every single thing I say this game?


I think you should stay calm. Mafia wants you to feel isolated. At the very least I'm listening to you
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 20:50 GMT
#1466
On July 02 2014 05:43 Vivax wrote:
Mderg if you are indeed town, then pin a guy who you think is trying to profit from the situation by defending you, for example.


this is a scummy as fuck question to ask. If hes town, town would profit from defending him, no?
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 20:51 GMT
#1472
mafia just saved HaruRH. people shouldn't be this easily manipulated off scum. Harurh is the correct lynch here
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 20:53 GMT
#1478
On July 02 2014 05:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 05:48 mderg wrote:
On July 02 2014 05:43 Vivax wrote:
Mderg if you are indeed town, then pin a guy who you think is trying to profit from the situation by defending you, for example.

town should be able to do that by themselves. It´s not like there´s been an abundance of defenders for me.

I don´t think Exo is trying to profit from it because he was spot on about my last minute vote switch, not impossible, though.

Cav is more likely to do that because he didn´t completely know why I made my reads and is now slowly trying to scumread me.


I didn't find an important answer in your filter, so I'll ask it now: Why did you switch last minute to Cava at all if you previously said he shouldn't be lynched? Me and Koshi's votes?


Holy shit its obvious why. He saw 2 votes at the last second for sinani and thought mafia were jumping on sinani giving town no time to react. So he tried to react
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 20:58 GMT
#1495
On July 02 2014 05:55 Vivax wrote:
Given how hard Exo is defending this guy and pushing for haru last minute I'm being paranoid that maybe we should follow that advice.


I've been pushing haruh for at least the past 12 hours, I think more. though I'd much rather push you. I think your a clever scum player
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 21:02 GMT
#1503
On July 02 2014 05:59 Vivax wrote:
Besides mderg, your story is this:

You say Cav shouldn't be lynched cause claim. You vote sinani, Exo votes sinani, you see Exo voting him and try to switch to Cava.

This just doesn't make sense to an outsider and if you're town I hope you understand why.


it makes perfect sense as town. a town on day 1 has zero information, and if you think your reads as town are 100% perfect on day 1 you are either stupid or overconfident. He saw last second votes and panicked.

mafia wouldnt panic
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 21:04 GMT
#1508
hope people listen to me now. Harurh and vivax are scum
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 21:08 GMT
#1513
On July 02 2014 06:04 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 06:02 ExO_ wrote:
On July 02 2014 05:59 Vivax wrote:
Besides mderg, your story is this:

You say Cav shouldn't be lynched cause claim. You vote sinani, Exo votes sinani, you see Exo voting him and try to switch to Cava.

This just doesn't make sense to an outsider and if you're town I hope you understand why.


it makes perfect sense as town. a town on day 1 has zero information, and if you think your reads as town are 100% perfect on day 1 you are either stupid or overconfident. He saw last second votes and panicked.

mafia wouldnt panic


Why should he have panicked if you voted for the guy he thought should be lynched??????

Your confidence into him being town is what's scummy.


His panic was because I voted last second with hardly an explanation. And somebody else did too. it looked like a last second mafia votes. thats why the switch at the last second. there was no time to wait for explanations.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 21:10 GMT
#1515
vigi whoever you are shoot harurh or vivax. Im certain vivax is mafia and 90% on harurh.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 21:24 GMT
#1520
On July 02 2014 06:16 Vivax wrote:
I think tomorrow I'll be pushing for either Cava or Poofter who were both on Koshi's list


you are scum. koshi was a vanilla town. VT reads can be wrong. as mafia you're trying to look good by pushing for people on a confirmed towns list. But there is stroner evidence than simple reads, and thats reads from votes. D1 reads shouldn't trump everything we've seen since then
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 01 2014 21:47 GMT
#1525
robik looks odd to me, possibly scum. but I honestly think he's a bad town player. gets too caught up too much in semantics, and is overly concerned with "reads", both his own and other players. He isnt playing to find mafia, hes playing to find mistakes people make. sometimes town makes mistakes, meaning robik will mistakenly read them as mafia
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