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I knew he didn't actually have an explanation for it, but he should then just say so. Instead he panicked and decided to joke around instead.
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If I have no reason for that vote and that is so obvious, then I also have no obligation to post something to your liking. This argument says nothing. If I reply seriously you can say I panicked, if I reply with a joke post you can say I panicked.
I wonder what Vivax's opinion on whether activity needs stirring up is?
It needs stirring up as I tried to express with the vocative post to Koshi. I don't see why you're posting this if not for the sole sake of making me look shit for no reason.
More questions, no conclusions or even insights into Vivax's thought process.
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There is however a hole in my logic. Vivax has actually given us one opinion. This one here:
Come on, you could try a bit harder.
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More questions, no conclusions or even insights into Vivax's thought process.
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There is however a hole in my logic. Vivax has actually given us one opinion. This one here:
A fine technique you have here.
First you say I don't give any opinions.
Then you claim all my contributions are just one opinion, effectively contradicting your previous statement but at the same time making it look like I'm lazy or disinterested.
Furthermore, you don't take into account my more recent opinions, which shows that the amount of opinions I give isn't as relevant to your read as you claim it is.
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If there is no reason it cannot by definition make you look shit. If you do look shit, then there is a reason. This is logic 101.
"Hey, let's stir up activity, Koshi".
Does it look shit? Is that what you want to say? You try to reply with generalities to something specific already implying that it is shit without explaining why it is shit.
tl;dr: There's nothing scummy about what I've said and palmar is trying to justify why he brings up something like that with a syllogism.
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And for completion's sake:
Maybe I'm misreading the bolded, but it looks like Vivax believes that Kush hasn't read his role pm, which is contradictory to his opinion that kush is scummy, because someone who hasn't read his role pm is by definition not scummy, because he cannot be.
So either Vivax thinks Kush hasn't read the role pm and thus is not scummy, or he thinks he has read the role pm, and is thus scummy.
My opinion on the subject is that if you don't read your role PM you can still play like a townie cause it gives you a benefit even if you're mafia. If you're good you might catch your teammates "unintentionally" and that's the downside to not reading it.
But as I stated earlier (I think) I didn't get the feeling that kush is trying to solve the game, which is something you would still try with the strategy of not reading your PM.
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Also Plamar please try to solve my riddle.
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Palmar, are you saying kush MUST be town just for claliming to not have read his pm?
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On June 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 18:37 Vivax wrote:If there is no reason it cannot by definition make you look shit. If you do look shit, then there is a reason. This is logic 101. "Hey, let's stir up activity, Koshi". Does it look shit? Is that what you want to say? You try to reply with generalities to something specific already implying that it is shit without explaining why it is shit. tl;dr: There's nothing scummy about what I've said and palmar is trying to justify why he brings up something like that with a syllogism. No. This is not how it works. Scum whines about town atmosphere/activity/spam/whatever Town actually does something about it. You said activity was low. There is no reason for you to point it out. One person can fix activity if he really wants to. Look at what I'm doing!
If my logic is faulty grow some balls and call me mafia.
I was bantering with Koshi, just writing histrionical, partially pointless stuff cause we were in that mood. You're trying to twist it into something scummy.
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Koshi, you should chime in.
Why are Palmar's arguments good?
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Palmar do you think kush deserves no attentio nand any observation made about him should be discarded cause he can't play scummy according to your logic?
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On June 27 2014 19:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 19:02 Vivax wrote:
Koshi, you should chime in.
Why are Palmar's arguments good? Because they are true. You had many questions and as he pointed out you didn't have as much opinions. Is it scummy? Possibly. I don't like how you went all angry and stuff. Just accept the case and move on. It wasn't a bad case. You should have told him off and went on hunting them scummers. At least I would have liked you to do that. Is Palmar scummy? Not to me for this case, not at all. Only if he focussed you out while somebody else was doing the same thing. But even then. Palmar not scummy.
At an early stage of the game some people will have opinions on some things while others don't. In order to get opinions I need certain questions answered.
Palmar is claiming that I'm scum cause I ask for information before stating any conclusions and for doing so he compares me to other people (also silently implying that he thinks or knows they're town since he claims that their actions are townie and mine are scummy) by saying for example that they gave their opinions on things while I didn't at that same time.
In no way did I get angry in this, I'm just offering completely logical explanations and counter arguments to what he calls claiming scum from my part. I am passionate about it but far from angry.
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On June 27 2014 20:15 Palmar wrote:
Don't even pretend that you're oblivious to that. You know you cannot be called out for a thought process when you show none.
I was investigable enough for you to post that huge ass case so saying I'm not investigable is pretty much unwarranted.
As said, you claimed I'm mostly only asking and not posting opinions which is 1) not true for the big picture
and 2) not something that should be considered scummy given that you took timings as example where there was little information in the thread.
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What about poofter is there you wanna talk about.
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On June 27 2014 21:22 kushm4sta wrote:
everything ii have said has been serious.
people are scumreading for shit i said before I read my role pm, and therefore was unreadable.
now i have read my role pm.
Nice, then you can start playing the game.
It kind of looks like Palmar was unaware that you read your role pm cause he still said you should be policy lynched when I asked him about you.
Then there's that question from OO about your history with Robik cause of the post where you say that he shouldn't get cocky.
Just talk about anything really.
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On June 27 2014 21:16 Koshi wrote:
I think he is pretty town. Agree?
Nothing scummy jumping at my eye and he seems pretty carefree but I wouldn't tick in town just yet, have yet to see some influence on the lynch from him. That applies to another fair bit of people.
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Kush why not lynch Palmar today. If you read properly you will see his case is crap and he has not done anything outside of that.
Just locked me on and tried to construct as many scummy motives as he could invent.
Koshi acting weird as hell too.
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On June 27 2014 21:35 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:31 Vivax wrote:On June 27 2014 21:22 kushm4sta wrote:
everything ii have said has been serious.
people are scumreading for shit i said before I read my role pm, and therefore was unreadable.
now i have read my role pm. Nice, then you can start playing the game. It kind of looks like Palmar was unaware that you read your role pm cause he still said you should be policy lynched when I asked him about you. Then there's that question from OO about your history with Robik cause of the post where you say that he shouldn't get cocky. Just talk about anything really. I have been playing the game. My first post about poofter was 100% serious. It wasn't a 100% solid read but it was 100% serious. I think it's scummy when people answer questions for other people and I also think it's scummy how he was trying to be involved in the thread without doing anything I consider townie. As for my relationship with robik, yes we have made sweet love many times. I broke up with him because his penis was too small however, and I need a real man to fill me up. I played one game with him that I remember and he acted really confident but he was wrong a lot. So that's the history.
What I found curious is that you seemed so serious when everyone was just joking. You wanted to understand why sinani got called scum for a Kappa and cause TP told you, you then think he's scum for answering.
Your behaviour was very diverging from the majority's context and frankly I don't see the reasoning behind TehPoofter (and wasn't sure if you were serious), so you caught my eye.
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On June 27 2014 21:40 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:37 Vivax wrote:
Kush why not lynch Palmar today. If you read properly you will see his case is crap and he has not done anything outside of that.
Just locked me on and tried to construct as many scummy motives as he could invent.
Koshi acting weird as hell too. Why are you asking Kush to lynch Palmar while you aren't voting yourself yet? Kinda strange. Where is this Kushtrust coming from?
I want people to be suspicious of people that I think should be under suspicion. I don't know if kush is town or scum yet and getting a certain degree of discussion and committment from unknown alignments is what it takes to make them known later.
If my read differs from theirs I have a reason to confront them with it, which is what I'm doing, which is standard townplay, which is something you for some reason claim to see as scummy.
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On June 27 2014 21:51 Koshi wrote:Ok I was wrong about Kush ##unvote##vote: ObviousOne Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 14:12 ObviousOne wrote:On June 27 2014 14:10 Cavalinho wrote:
Nah, some other dude shot me. You were mafia that game and one of your partners came in and made me look like an asshole. I don't have any partners (unless you're town, then you're my partner) this game but that won't stop someone from coming in to make you look like an asshole again, maybe mafia will oblige and you can nail them for it :D Doesn't make any sense.
Why? Cava is mentioning a game where he had partners, OO says he doesn't have any this game.
Where is the Normal Ass Normal game town Koshi?
Damn you Holyflare.
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Sorry bro but I think today I'll try to lynch either you or Palmar.
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On June 27 2014 23:15 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:56 Vivax wrote:
Sorry bro but I think today I'll try to lynch either you or Palmar. So you are limiting your d1 lynch to two of the most active people in the game? I don't understand where your certainty is coming from.
Nah, don't think I'll limit myself. On second thought I should keep an eye out for other people but Palmar and Koshi are definitely where I'll be looking at.
I'd like to see this OO/Koshi dispute develop and get more opinions from less active players on the recent stuff. Apparently this is a high activity game.
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