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On June 27 2014 23:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:44 Rainbows wrote:On June 27 2014 23:43 Koshi wrote:
Rainbows, is it that you don't like my playstyle atm, or is it that you actually think I would play a completely mad style as scum? I don't understand the question. I don't like how your read changed on the Palmar case, and I don't like the buddying with Vivax because you apparently don't have a good townread on him. Do you want me to explain things or are we cool for the moment?
Can you explain why you buddy vivax I don't understand it because I only buddy people I have a strong townread on but it appears you don't have a townread on vivax?
Also explain your read on the palmar case on vivax. At first you say it is not bad, then say palmar is bad / mafia, then say it is good and true, then say it is not a bad case again.
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@haru if you felt so strongly about koshi being scum then why did it take me asking about your scum reads to say anything about it?
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On June 27 2014 23:47 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:46 Koshi wrote:On June 27 2014 23:44 Rainbows wrote:On June 27 2014 23:43 Koshi wrote:
Rainbows, is it that you don't like my playstyle atm, or is it that you actually think I would play a completely mad style as scum? I don't understand the question. I don't like how your read changed on the Palmar case, and I don't like the buddying with Vivax because you apparently don't have a good townread on him. Do you want me to explain things or are we cool for the moment? Can you explain why you buddy vivax I don't understand it because I only buddy people I have a strong townread on but it appears you don't have a townread on vivax? Also explain your read on the palmar case on vivax. At first you say it is not bad, then say palmar is bad / mafia, then say it is good and true, then say it is not a bad case again.
1) I buddy Vivax regardless of his alignment. I don't care if he is scum.
2) The case from Palmar is pretty ok. I was asking Vivax if Palmar was scum or bad. That's why I ended with "right? RIGHT?"
My read on Vivax atm? Dnu bro. Dnu. I do know this isn't going to be a Vivax + Koshi show. 
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I like how Rainbow's "Main point" is invalid.
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With your main point gone, Rainbows, how much of your case still stands?
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On June 27 2014 23:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:47 Rainbows wrote:On June 27 2014 23:46 Koshi wrote:On June 27 2014 23:44 Rainbows wrote:On June 27 2014 23:43 Koshi wrote:
Rainbows, is it that you don't like my playstyle atm, or is it that you actually think I would play a completely mad style as scum? I don't understand the question. I don't like how your read changed on the Palmar case, and I don't like the buddying with Vivax because you apparently don't have a good townread on him. Do you want me to explain things or are we cool for the moment? Can you explain why you buddy vivax I don't understand it because I only buddy people I have a strong townread on but it appears you don't have a townread on vivax? Also explain your read on the palmar case on vivax. At first you say it is not bad, then say palmar is bad / mafia, then say it is good and true, then say it is not a bad case again. 1) I buddy Vivax regardless of his alignment. I don't care if he is scum. 2) The case from Palmar is pretty ok. I was asking Vivax if Palmar was scum or bad. That's why I ended with "right? RIGHT?" My read on Vivax atm? Dnu bro. Dnu. I do know this isn't going to be a Vivax + Koshi show.
1) That seems like a really stupid way to play.
2) If the case on Vivax is 'pretty OK' then you agree with it? You either agree, don't, or dnu. "pretty OK" sounds like dnu. But it also sounds like ' I could get on that wagon '
Ok i understand you were asking vivax if palmar was scum or bad.
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On June 27 2014 23:53 Palmar wrote:
With your main point gone, Rainbows, how much of your case still stands?
I still have no idea how koshi feels about the case other than it's 'pretty ok', I feel like the case would have an effect on his read on Vivax which is also an 'I dnu' for him. If the case is 'pretty good', then shouldn't koshi lean scum on vivax?
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On June 27 2014 23:58 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:53 Palmar wrote:
With your main point gone, Rainbows, how much of your case still stands? I still have no idea how koshi feels about the case other than it's 'pretty ok', I feel like the case would have an effect on his read on Vivax which is also an 'I dnu' for him. If the case is 'pretty good', then shouldn't koshi lean scum on vivax?
Possibly, but are you then saying the main point of your case wasn't important to the case at all, and showing it as invalid has no effect on your conclusion?
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Rainbows frankly I don't think you can nail Koshi with the buddying argument cause we were kinda hoping to not roll opposite alignments this game.
I buddied him back even when being suspicious of him so you can't only apply that argument to him but also to me. Just consider it something that would have happened in some way regardless of our alignments.
You already mentioned the post where he talks about kush, robik and somebody else I think and imho that is more concerning about Koshi who I remember as more tryhard as town.
He's usually quick to recognize me as scum if I deviate from my town standard so during the whole Palmar vs. Me thingy I would have expected him to either acknowledge Palmar's arguments as bad or at least try harder to figure me out instead of trying to get me to talk about other things and staying on the sidelines.
It's a bit of a subjective feel read, but if you compare his filter with this game you will notice that he also starts with a jokey phase but becomes curious about the stuff that's going on rather quickly.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?user=Koshi&view=all
Tbh I would like to have more stuff going on about Palmar and his new read on Koshi. Will he deliver such a case as he did on me?
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On June 27 2014 23:48 kushm4sta wrote:
@haru if you felt so strongly about koshi being scum then why did it take me asking about your scum reads to say anything about it?
Because I just woke up, read through the thread and saw that hilarious post by koshi. When you asked me for a read/lynch, I reread the thread a few times and I picked up on koshi.
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On June 28 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:58 Rainbows wrote:On June 27 2014 23:53 Palmar wrote:
With your main point gone, Rainbows, how much of your case still stands? I still have no idea how koshi feels about the case other than it's 'pretty ok', I feel like the case would have an effect on his read on Vivax which is also an 'I dnu' for him. If the case is 'pretty good', then shouldn't koshi lean scum on vivax? Possibly, but are you then saying the main point of your case wasn't important to the case at all, and showing it as invalid has no effect on your conclusion?
No, the main point is that I'm trying to get Koshi to give some form of read on vivax. Because he says your case is not bad, pretty ok, therefore it must have some impact on his read of vivax. The point was that I have no idea how Koshi feels about your case in relation to his read on vivax. The sequence of 'case is not bad--> palmar is bad -->points are true/not bad' was striking to me at the time but apparently that was wrong, because Koshi words things very oddly. I don't think Koshi is as scummy for it because it's not a blatant contradiction after explanation. But I want to see how a case that he agree's with somewhat can have no impact on his vivax read.
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On June 27 2014 19:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 19:06 Vivax wrote:
Palmar do you think kush deserves no attentio nand any observation made about him should be discarded cause he can't play scummy according to your logic? He should be policy lynched. If he's lying, he's doing it for mafia purpose. If he's not lying he's playing against his win con (unless mafia) and needs to be lynched. He's doing a play that benefits mafia more than town, and should be policy lynched. There is no point in analyzing him unless you think he's lying, and if he's lying he's confirmed mafia.
So I said Plammar is town and I still think that, but I just wanna point out that it's funny cause I kinda called you out for this when I caught you in Heavyweight ^_^
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Rainbows do you think Palmar is asking the right questions for somebody who just voted the same guy you find scummy?
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On June 28 2014 00:08 Vivax wrote:Rainbows frankly I don't think you can nail Koshi with the buddying argument cause we were kinda hoping to not roll opposite alignments this game. I buddied him back even when being suspicious of him so you can't only apply that argument to him but also to me. Just consider it something that would have happened in some way regardless of our alignments.
You already mentioned the post where he talks about kush, robik and somebody else I think and imho that is more concerning about Koshi who I remember as more tryhard as town.He's usually quick to recognize me as scum if I deviate from my town standard so during the whole Palmar vs. Me thingy I would have expected him to either acknowledge Palmar's arguments as bad or at least try harder to figure me out instead of trying to get me to talk about other things and staying on the sidelines. It's a bit of a subjective feel read, but if you compare his filter with this game you will notice that he also starts with a jokey phase but becomes curious about the stuff that's going on rather quickly. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?user=Koshi&view=allTbh I would like to have more stuff going on about Palmar and his new read on Koshi. Will he deliver such a case as he did on me?
My problem is the other game Koshi was town in, I had a scumread on him in the beginning. This time he gives a lot of 'we should look more closely!' whereas in another game to not be named he gave a lot of genuinely considered bad reads for Day 1 and was pressured heavily for it.
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On June 28 2014 00:14 Vivax wrote:
Rainbows do you think Palmar is asking the right questions for somebody who just voted the same guy you find scummy?
Actually, yes. The part I pointed out was cleared up by Koshi syntax, and it's not unreasonable to look at this and ask my current read
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Palmar, Koshi went from SUPA SCUM to scum lean, if you're asking how my read changed based on his clarification.
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Well, whatever, you're bleeding town and to me those questions just looked like a waste of time.
On June 28 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:58 Rainbows wrote:On June 27 2014 23:53 Palmar wrote:
With your main point gone, Rainbows, how much of your case still stands? I still have no idea how koshi feels about the case other than it's 'pretty ok', I feel like the case would have an effect on his read on Vivax which is also an 'I dnu' for him. If the case is 'pretty good', then shouldn't koshi lean scum on vivax? Possibly, but are you then saying the main point of your case wasn't important to the case at all, and showing it as invalid has no effect on your conclusion?
This just feels like he wants to force you into losing the drive behind your koshi read, and yet we don't know a thing about why he read him as scum.
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On June 27 2014 21:35 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:31 Vivax wrote:On June 27 2014 21:22 kushm4sta wrote:
everything ii have said has been serious.
people are scumreading for shit i said before I read my role pm, and therefore was unreadable.
now i have read my role pm. Nice, then you can start playing the game. It kind of looks like Palmar was unaware that you read your role pm cause he still said you should be policy lynched when I asked him about you. Then there's that question from OO about your history with Robik cause of the post where you say that he shouldn't get cocky. Just talk about anything really. I have been playing the game. My first post about poofter was 100% serious. It wasn't a 100% solid read but it was 100% serious. I think it's scummy when people answer questions for other people and I also think it's scummy how he was trying to be involved in the thread without doing anything I consider townie. As for my relationship with robik, yes we have made sweet love many times. I broke up with him because his penis was too small however, and I need a real man to fill me up. I played one game with him that I remember and he acted really confident but he was wrong a lot. So that's the history.
Meh, my early game reads that game were on point. Called Chew and Conrad town (two players I played with before), and shat on Rayn's logic (he was only saved by mocsta)...fucking hydra
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On June 28 2014 00:20 Vivax wrote:Well, whatever, you're bleeding town and to me those questions just looked like a waste of time. Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote:On June 27 2014 23:58 Rainbows wrote:On June 27 2014 23:53 Palmar wrote:
With your main point gone, Rainbows, how much of your case still stands? I still have no idea how koshi feels about the case other than it's 'pretty ok', I feel like the case would have an effect on his read on Vivax which is also an 'I dnu' for him. If the case is 'pretty good', then shouldn't koshi lean scum on vivax? Possibly, but are you then saying the main point of your case wasn't important to the case at all, and showing it as invalid has no effect on your conclusion? This just feels like he wants to force you into losing the drive behind your koshi read, and yet we don't know a thing about why he read him as scum.
Interesting. His question was relevant if he wants to figure out my alignment / reads, so I have no qualms with that. I want to know specifically why he thinks koshi is scum though. But while he does that maybe he we should talk about people like Robik and banks?
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I don'tk now what Koshi is doing with all his voting/unvoting but I don't like it
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