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On June 21 2014 07:27 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 07:26 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 21 2014 07:26 Chezinu wrote:On June 21 2014 07:22 YouKnowZhou wrote:Chezinu, I have a question for you about Snickers. What do you think of the most recent case posted against him by Release, and what do you think about Snickers explicitly leaving the thread and declining to contribute for the rest of the day? Also, I'm having trouble finding a mention of my case on mderg in your filter. Can you point me towwards it, or offer some input? On June 21 2014 07:08 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 21 2014 06:04 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 21 2014 06:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
Please look at Koshi's filter and look ät all thé scum hunting he has done... Owait.
Vote him. As a matter of policy, I do not lynch players right after they replace in. I leave them alone for a full cycle. I find this typically works pretty well; people need time to get their shit together usually. Its been a full cycle now. Not even kidding. I know, but I consider him to have replaced in at the 27nb lynch. He didn't really have time to formulate reads or do anything D1. After D2 ends, then he's fair game, but that's just the policy I roll with. It works. It could entirely be true that Koshi is scum, but on the whole it makes sense to not lynch people for a full cycle after they get in, and that doesn't mean "not lynch him until 3 hours before the end of the day, then lynch him" because that's BSey. The point is, the guy gets a free pass on a lynch for one day. I understand you disagree, but don't worry, Koshi isn't getting lynched today anyways. Once I'm gone, who will oppose you? Why would I read cases? Who do you think I am? super duper chezinu tier tldr mderg's first post is a bunch of relevant townreads. he votes a townread in that post, 27nb. what do you think of mderg mderg is bad
okay. snickers does the same thing, but with nullreads. then he votes and peaces out of the thread d2.
what do you think of snickers
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On June 21 2014 07:31 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 07:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 21 2014 07:27 Chezinu wrote:On June 21 2014 07:26 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 21 2014 07:26 Chezinu wrote:On June 21 2014 07:22 YouKnowZhou wrote:Chezinu, I have a question for you about Snickers. What do you think of the most recent case posted against him by Release, and what do you think about Snickers explicitly leaving the thread and declining to contribute for the rest of the day? Also, I'm having trouble finding a mention of my case on mderg in your filter. Can you point me towwards it, or offer some input? On June 21 2014 07:08 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 21 2014 06:04 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 21 2014 06:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
Please look at Koshi's filter and look ät all thé scum hunting he has done... Owait.
Vote him. As a matter of policy, I do not lynch players right after they replace in. I leave them alone for a full cycle. I find this typically works pretty well; people need time to get their shit together usually. Its been a full cycle now. Not even kidding. I know, but I consider him to have replaced in at the 27nb lynch. He didn't really have time to formulate reads or do anything D1. After D2 ends, then he's fair game, but that's just the policy I roll with. It works. It could entirely be true that Koshi is scum, but on the whole it makes sense to not lynch people for a full cycle after they get in, and that doesn't mean "not lynch him until 3 hours before the end of the day, then lynch him" because that's BSey. The point is, the guy gets a free pass on a lynch for one day. I understand you disagree, but don't worry, Koshi isn't getting lynched today anyways. Once I'm gone, who will oppose you? Why would I read cases? Who do you think I am? super duper chezinu tier tldr mderg's first post is a bunch of relevant townreads. he votes a townread in that post, 27nb. what do you think of mderg mderg is bad okay. snickers does the same thing, but with nullreads. then he votes and peaces out of the thread d2. what do you think of snickers snickers is bad
bad but not scum?
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I am the shenannie queen young and free only 17
##unvote
##vote Snickers
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On June 21 2014 07:55 mderg wrote:
I can definitely get behind a Snickers lynch. Since VE is will not be lynched today my vote on him would just be wasted. I don´t want bh to be lynched either because I had a townread on him and, he´s not as townie to me anymore but he is driving discussion forward.
Snickers on the other hand I´ve found suspicious for some time. The case Release made is also bringing up some good points. This seems like a way better lynch than bh.
##vote Snickers
your approval fills me with shame. 
On June 21 2014 07:56 Chezinu wrote:
mderg vs VE would give the most information to me personally. I still haven't solved the puzzle.
mderg is just bad though in your opinion, right? How would it give you more info?
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On June 21 2014 08:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Release, what are your thoughts on mderg's vote just now? You had similar reservations to him being scummy as I did.
I'll chime in. It makes me like mderg less. I still see him as opportunistic, and despite my thing about "no unflipped associations", I suddenly worry that mderg scum, snickers town and he's setting me up to get MLed tomorrow. mderg scum snickers scum might make sense as well if he's bussing / going for cred; his vote put snickers in the lead and was a "game changer".
That said, I am no longer confident that I can lynch him today. People seem to like him.
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So, all these votes for "not YKZ" being spread out are just interesting ways to get me lynched ;____;
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So I don't WANT to lynch VE, but right now if I don't vote him, I'm gonna get lynched. Can we please consolidate onto mderg or snickers?
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On June 21 2014 08:21 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Release, what are your thoughts on mderg's vote just now? You had similar reservations to him being scummy as I did. I think the most important rule in mafia is to vote for mafia. His filter does not indicate an inclination for voting Snickers, which is why I think its awful, but not as awful as completely afking. His play gave us information. This information can be very easily used against him. To be honest, complete afk so blatantly is also information too. I think Mderg just shoved his way past YKZ on my scumlist, and now, I'm fine lynching Mderg or Snickers, but will still be voting snickers pending further information.
Fair enough, but please be ready for an mderg consolidation if it turns out he and I are the leading wagons. If you're not able to consolidate onto mderg, with VE in the lead, I will vote for VE to get him lynched instead of me since any chance of lynching scum is better than none, but I'd much much rather lynch mderg or snicks today. Will you be around until the deadline?
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On June 21 2014 08:24 Release wrote:
Ok for some reason, YKZ is still being lynched today which is not correct.
For that:
##Unvote
##Vote Mderg
Works for me. Snickers would also be acceptable. I prefer either to VE.
##unvote
##vote mderg
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On June 21 2014 08:43 Chezinu wrote:
mderg, if you are special - now is the time to say it. If your just a regular townie, now is the time to accept your fate.
or... he's scum?
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On June 21 2014 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:For someone who made a request of me to "get a read on me", BH seems to already be leaning fairly town on me. So why the appeal to emotion? And IF he thinks I'm town, what use is there for him to discredit me? Meh, questions for another day I suppose. I'll answer his questions, but for town and NOT for BH. BH is on my shitlist now. Indefinitely. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 06:17 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 19 2014 20:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ready To Read BH Yet?
Meeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................I think he might be mafia. He hasn't had any direct interactions with me due to timing and our respective AFK periods, but frankly the bunnies push felt contrived to begin with, and that he stuck with it only to see her flip green raises red flags to me. He makes a special point to say how GODLY he is at Mafia too, insinuating how BAD he is at town right? Sounds like preknowledge of his main target's flip to me. It's a weak read, but he's my worst read. I put it off because I was scurd, but now I might get lynched and it doesn't matter if I scurd anymore. I think he's mafia based on what's in the thread.
Does this accurately summarize your reason for scumreading me? Also, can you be specific about who you like and don't like on the wagons? Yes, it accurately summarizes my reasons for scumreading you. Specifically I like slOosh and Release on your wagon and I disliked Snickers and you on the mderg wagon. I'm not really reading Koshi as supertown yet which concerns me, but I dislike him less than I dislike you and Snickers.
wow thanks for answering my questions only after like a million hours and after I explicitly called you out for it, and just before the lynch, and also only after it became clear I wasn't getting lynched. So helpful.
I'd rather lynch mderg and snicks than you, VE, but since it seems you were here and just waiting for the least useful time to reply (rather than just be mean in response to my questions) all I gotta say is: if we could easily switch to you, I'd do it, and gladly. I don't even care that you're more likely to flip town than mderg or snicks, I just want to see you die.
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Well, I'm at 4 votes now. Isn't this bracing!
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On June 21 2014 08:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:50 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 21 2014 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:For someone who made a request of me to "get a read on me", BH seems to already be leaning fairly town on me. So why the appeal to emotion? And IF he thinks I'm town, what use is there for him to discredit me? Meh, questions for another day I suppose. I'll answer his questions, but for town and NOT for BH. BH is on my shitlist now. Indefinitely. On June 21 2014 06:17 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 19 2014 20:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ready To Read BH Yet?
Meeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................I think he might be mafia. He hasn't had any direct interactions with me due to timing and our respective AFK periods, but frankly the bunnies push felt contrived to begin with, and that he stuck with it only to see her flip green raises red flags to me. He makes a special point to say how GODLY he is at Mafia too, insinuating how BAD he is at town right? Sounds like preknowledge of his main target's flip to me. It's a weak read, but he's my worst read. I put it off because I was scurd, but now I might get lynched and it doesn't matter if I scurd anymore. I think he's mafia based on what's in the thread.
Does this accurately summarize your reason for scumreading me? Also, can you be specific about who you like and don't like on the wagons? Yes, it accurately summarizes my reasons for scumreading you. Specifically I like slOosh and Release on your wagon and I disliked Snickers and you on the mderg wagon. I'm not really reading Koshi as supertown yet which concerns me, but I dislike him less than I dislike you and Snickers. wow thanks for answering my questions only after like a million hours and after I explicitly called you out for it, and just before the lynch, and also only after it became clear I wasn't getting lynched. So helpful. I'd rather lynch mderg and snicks than you, VE, but since it seems you were here and just waiting for the least useful time to reply (rather than just be mean in response to my questions) all I gotta say is: if we could easily switch to you, I'd do it, and gladly. I don't even care that you're more likely to flip town than mderg or snicks, I just want to see you die. OH I'M FUCKING SORRY I HAD SHIT TO DO UNTIL RIGHT NOW BH, FOR SOMEONE WHO ATE DINNER FOR FORTYEIGHT HOURS YOU'RE REALLY GETTING BENT OUT OF SHAPE ABOUT THIS
That post took you 30 seconds to right, tops. Instead of helping, you wrote this:
On June 21 2014 06:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 06:17 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 19 2014 20:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ready To Read BH Yet?
Meeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................I think he might be mafia. He hasn't had any direct interactions with me due to timing and our respective AFK periods, but frankly the bunnies push felt contrived to begin with, and that he stuck with it only to see her flip green raises red flags to me. He makes a special point to say how GODLY he is at Mafia too, insinuating how BAD he is at town right? Sounds like preknowledge of his main target's flip to me. It's a weak read, but he's my worst read. I put it off because I was scurd, but now I might get lynched and it doesn't matter if I scurd anymore. I think he's mafia based on what's in the thread.
Does this accurately summarize your reason for scumreading me? Also, can you be specific about who you like and don't like on the wagons? What do you care? I'm too stupid to be reasoned with.
And then peaced until the MOST CONVENIENT possible time for you to be unhelpful. I sincerely hope you are scum, VE, because if you are town, this is possibly the most pitiful showing I've seen from you to date. You're usually such a strong player! We may not get along, but we interact and stuff.
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On June 21 2014 08:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's strong enough to lynch him over other people Artanis, that's about as certain as I can be. Same with mderg, but as I said before the people I'm townreading are more inclined to lynch BH. The difference between this lynch and the last was A) I wasn't around in the waning hours of the day last cycle and B) I'm not SUPER TOWN on the opposing wagon this cycle, in fact the opposite.
So you have a townread on SloOsh and Snickers, the other two voters on my wagon?
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On June 21 2014 08:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:57 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 21 2014 08:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's strong enough to lynch him over other people Artanis, that's about as certain as I can be. Same with mderg, but as I said before the people I'm townreading are more inclined to lynch BH. The difference between this lynch and the last was A) I wasn't around in the waning hours of the day last cycle and B) I'm not SUPER TOWN on the opposing wagon this cycle, in fact the opposite. So you have a townread on SloOsh and Snickers, the other two voters on my wagon? Release was on you earlier, that's who I was referring to.
And now he's not. Now he's voting WITH me. And yeah, Sloosh you like, but you think snickers is scum
On June 21 2014 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Specifically I like slOosh and Release on your wagon and I disliked Snickers and you on the mderg wagon. I'm not really reading Koshi as supertown yet which concerns me, but I dislike him less than I dislike you and Snickers.
So what's the deal VE? Why me over mderg? Or are your explanations as fallacious as your timing?
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I wish we had like a few more mitnues so we could get a VE swap going. the wagons are too close to do it now. VE is my top scum read going in to tomorrow if mderg flips town.
he doesn't make sense. his timing is off. and his explanation for voting me over mderg clearly doesn't hold up
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read lazermo's filter if i die now
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Well, well well. I came in after dinner, made an amazing case, wowed everyone. They followed me and we caught scum. Just as I knew we would 
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On June 21 2014 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually, this could make slOosh mafia.
Anyway, I'm going to be utterly silent this cycle in the name of not destroying the thread screaming at BH. Don't go too crazy guys.
Dude, I've been nothing but helpful since I returned to the thread. I'm sorry if I have aggravated you, I know I got a little heated back there. How about we bury the hatchet and try to interact meaningfully, rather than providing anyone an excuse to opt out of the discourse? Surely if you're town, you wouldn't mind a polite discussion with the town leader.
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Thanks for your generosity, VE. If you have some time, could you please respond to this post tonight?
On June 21 2014 08:59 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:58 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 21 2014 08:57 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 21 2014 08:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's strong enough to lynch him over other people Artanis, that's about as certain as I can be. Same with mderg, but as I said before the people I'm townreading are more inclined to lynch BH. The difference between this lynch and the last was A) I wasn't around in the waning hours of the day last cycle and B) I'm not SUPER TOWN on the opposing wagon this cycle, in fact the opposite. So you have a townread on SloOsh and Snickers, the other two voters on my wagon? Release was on you earlier, that's who I was referring to. And now he's not. Now he's voting WITH me. And yeah, Sloosh you like, but you think snickers is scum Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Specifically I like slOosh and Release on your wagon and I disliked Snickers and you on the mderg wagon. I'm not really reading Koshi as supertown yet which concerns me, but I dislike him less than I dislike you and Snickers. So what's the deal VE? Why me over mderg? Or are your explanations as fallacious as your timing?
If you're willing to extend to me the courtesy of assuming I'm town for a moment, let me explain what this lynch looked like to me.
It looked like I had caught scum and finally forced town to accept it. You were hedghing your bets, calling both me and mderg scum. If you are in fact scum, this isn't a bad move. Now, things are close and it looks like you could get me lynched instead of your scumbuddy, so you vote me. You need a good reason, so you say you like the people on my wagon better. When I say "okay, fine, I'm getting lynched, let's interact a bit beforehand so I can develop reads and leave something for town", everyone interacts with me, except you, who snaps at me and goes afk.
Now, finally I manage to convince people to lynch mderg. After it becomes clear my life is no longer in danger, you return to the thread and respond to my questions. You can no longer afford to just ignore me until the lynch deadline. Then, when I ask you about your vote on me, you talk about the people on my wagon. 1 of the 2 people you had a townread on is now voting with me instead of against me, and of the 2 people left, one of them is Snickers, on whom you have a scumread.
And yet your vote stays on me.
What this looks like to me is a poorly rationalized vote on the counterwagon to a scumbuddy. I think you were trying to defend mderg, kill me, and ignore my attempts to form reads until the lynch ended and I was dead. Then, when I turned things around, you came back to do damage control. It looks to me like you're scum with mderg. You had him pegged as scum and voted me instead of him, which would have been fine since you had me for scum, but your reasoning didn't add up, and your timing was very, very oppotunistic.
So here's my question for you, VE. Do you see how I, as town, perceive this? What is your response to the issues I've raised in this post, issues to which you didn't respond in the previous post I raised them in?
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