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Here is a post I made earlier which is a few good points on why slOosh is a better lynch than M_Z
On May 31 2014 05:54 Amiko wrote:@mderg: I want your vote!! Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 22:13 mderg wrote:
I like the case on sloosh. I feel like it could just be lazy town, though. His play could make sense, if he took the jwz lynch for granted and didn´t really follow up on it because of that. Still he´s definitely high up in the list of suspects.
I still think MZ is scummy. I already made my case on him and I feel like it still stands.
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh So I agree that M_Z has some scummy comments. But going through your case on Meapak (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=29#562), I think you could vote slOosh for the same reasons. (1) You suspect M_Z because he doesn't make a case to follow up on suspicious. slOosh doesn't make a case, and it's arguable whether he even makes suspicions. slOosh is scummier on this point. (2) You feel M_Z is scummy because he seems open to a Palmar lynch, but doesn't give reasons why. slOosh's comment about other wagons don't even say who he might be open to as an alternative, much less the reasons why. slOosh is scummier on this point. (3) You actually like a few things on M_Z's comments regarding jabber. I don't know if you like anything on slOosh. But either way, slOosh doesn't even focus on jabber. I think it's way more suspicious to basically ignore the main lynch candidate for the day.
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Okay, so do you think these points are wrong?
What is wrong?
also @Palmar and @fuba you should be answering this too
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Anyone can be 'lazy town' for not commenting on some points.
I don't think it can be lazy town when you don't discuss any of the wagons at all, especially after you tell someone to bring any they have up
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No, I'm talking about slOosh. As I posted to mderg before, it's not that slOosh doesn't talk about jabber. He doesn't weigh in on jabber, palmar, or gobbedy. He ignores every wagon.
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If you feel the lynch on slOosh is "too easy" is it possible that this shift to Meapak is "too easy"?
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@Palmar:
I want you to reveal this was all a clever ploy to get scum to move onto M_Z and that you are now going to move back to slOosh. pls
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(EBWOP: I guess just move to slOosh since he wasn't on him before)
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@fuba:
Do you really feel like your words should have this much impact?
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In other words, I feel like if you are town there's a fair chance you moving just gives mafia the votes they need
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@Haru:
Explain this before the flip please.
(1) Are you townreading slOosh (like fuba is?)
(2) Did you move off M_Z because of slOosh's post? Because of the vote patterns?
(3) Disregarding the other points, who do you feel is actually scummier?
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I actually feel bad for scum right now.
(Okay the moment passed)
I'm gonna go get groceries, you can talk about how cool I am for when I get back though.
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On June 01 2014 10:16 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Surprise.
I had a huge case written out against amiko, but that ruins it all.
Would you mind posting it?
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gg slOosh and gg gobble
@Meepak_Ziphh, I think you are (justifiably) the presumptive lynch tomorrow. If you are town, please pick your top scumread(s) and make cases.
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I only have a few initial thoughts right now -
I'm pretty familiar with slOosh's filter, but I'd appreciate if you guys take a look over day 2 and see if that gives you anything. Please do me a favor and read gobble's filter to see if anything sticks out.
I have some setup speculation I might share tomorrow based off Alakaslam claiming roleblock d1.
If I'm alive tomorrow remind me and I can share it.
I don't know whether to put much emphasis to put on the players who moved their votes around at the end of the day.
There's only one mafia still alive, so it's clear at least some of these players were town.
@sqrt & @HaruRH:
Would you both explain your doubts on Palmar? I think I asked before, but give me your current feelings.
I'm asking you both in particular because you both name M_Z as the best lynch for tomorrow. Palmar seemed to want to lynch M_Z solidly through D2... so, why do you feel Palmar is the second scummiest player?
I'm not going to weigh in on my feelings here, but I think this needs some explanation.
Also
@sqrt, @ninjabunnies:
What do you make of HaruRH's end of day comments?
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Ok. I mean generally I'd like everyone to comment on:
- Thoughts on day 2
- Thoughts on voting at the end of the day
- Any vote analysis thoughts you have
- Anything in the filters from slOosh/gobble that you find meaningful
If you have scumreads on M_Z / Palmar / whoever, weigh in and say if it has changed at all based on the stuff above.
And yeah we are in a great position with 8 town vs 1 scum, but please don't start making plans for the next few days when we have just gotten a fair amount of new information.
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I'd like comments on the following so I can try to read you guys a little better.
@sqrt, @Alakaslam:
Look at slOosh's death post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=38#747)
Then, could tell me what you think of this post:
On June 01 2014 11:32 HaruRH wrote:
In fact, I think we should lynch everyone on sloosh's 'death list'.
@HaruRH:
Please hold off on explaining that comment until after at least one of them responds.
Would you tell me what you think of Alakaslam's day 2?
(I also have that question earlier for you and sqrt regarding Palmar/M_Z.)
Palmar:
On June 01 2014 10:20 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 16:23 Palmar wrote:
I think I could throw my weight behind a sloosh vote.
I have a feeling the mafia team is sloosh, MZ, Gobbley Crossing fingers for 3/3 but now I'm not so sure
On June 01 2014 17:52 Palmar wrote:
I really don't care. If I'm wrong on MZ we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
First post indicates some hesitancy on M_Z.
Second post returns to being fairly sure.
Would you explain the concerns you had in the first post and why you dismissed them?
@mderg:
I dunno. Do you want me to talk about anything in particular?
I might not give you a response till a post just before night ends, though.
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I don't mind answering that now.
I think attempting to plan out our lynch for tomorrow is not useful discussion.
We can figure out the best lynch for tomorrow tomorrow.
I don't hate that they talked about it though, cause it gives me something to pressure them on (M_Z / Palmar as the first two scum, and whether to follow slOosh's death list and what that means)
IMO tonight is better served rereading what we already have with new knowledge (that gobble & slOosh are both confirmed scum).
We saw people at the end of d2 talk about how the day and votes had such great information- so why aren't we seeing people attempt to use anything in d2 to justify their points?
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(That last question is rhetorical) :D
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Btw @mderg-
On June 02 2014 02:41 Amiko wrote:@sqrt, @Alakaslam: Look at slOosh's death post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=38#747) Then, could tell me what you think of this post: Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 11:32 HaruRH wrote:
In fact, I think we should lynch everyone on sloosh's 'death list'.
I would like to hear from sqrt/Alakaslam on this first, but do take a look at this even if you stay quiet since I it gave me some thoughts on Haru.
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