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On June 21 2014 06:02 marvellosity wrote:
oh god it's Chrome because he asked Chrome to make a case on bunnies.
oh well.
15 mins ritoky, don't let me down.
Yup. I was going to come in and say this. Until he clears his shit up though I'm lynching him. Surely he can't be dumb enough to take his actions to the grave. I just don't get why he even bothers asking Chrome about NB in the first place.
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On June 21 2014 06:11 ritoky wrote:
w/e i honestly think you guys are being dicks about it
chrom is town, vote away
Your checks in order. Now. Period.
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On June 21 2014 06:20 ritoky wrote:
yamato, 27nb (red) made a list of inactives she wanted to push and yamato was randomly not on the list even though equally as inactive. i thought she was trying to hide him.
Please list the nights you checked each person.
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Ritoky is the obvious lynch here. If Chrome is lying, we lynch him and NB because there's literally no point to make his claim unless he's GF. Interestingly, I don't think this says anything about NB's alignment.
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On June 21 2014 06:36 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 06:11 ritoky wrote:
w/e i honestly think you guys are being dicks about it
chrom is town, vote away This is a lie, I am miller(/tracker). N2 - gumshoe, N3 - CR, no results. ##Vote: ritoky
Interesting you bring it up HF.
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On June 21 2014 06:51 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 06:50 Chromatically wrote:On June 21 2014 06:47 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2014 06:45 Chromatically wrote:On June 21 2014 06:43 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2014 06:42 Chromatically wrote:On June 21 2014 06:41 Rainbows wrote:
this also means chairman is probably mafia as well. why does ritoky pull this as mafia? protect buddy That's what I was thinking. ritoky was getting lynched very soon so why not try to save his buddy and buy a day. Maybe one of them is a PR as well. are you rescinding or godfather? LOL what? Are you "rescinding"? well, you wait until i post i have to go to counterclaim anything, which is shady. rainbows comes in and seems to know what's about to happen before it does, also shady. and you give no n1 check, also shady. so i am asking, are you rescinding or godfather? No, I am not. Are you rescinding? Doubtful. yup, i am VT
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On June 21 2014 06:51 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 06:50 Chromatically wrote:On June 21 2014 06:47 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2014 06:45 Chromatically wrote:On June 21 2014 06:43 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2014 06:42 Chromatically wrote:On June 21 2014 06:41 Rainbows wrote:
this also means chairman is probably mafia as well. why does ritoky pull this as mafia? protect buddy That's what I was thinking. ritoky was getting lynched very soon so why not try to save his buddy and buy a day. Maybe one of them is a PR as well. are you rescinding or godfather? LOL what? Are you "rescinding"? well, you wait until i post i have to go to counterclaim anything, which is shady. rainbows comes in and seems to know what's about to happen before it does, also shady. and you give no n1 check, also shady. so i am asking, are you rescinding or godfather? No, I am not. Are you rescinding? yup, i am VT
Doubtful.
Ewbop
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I'm going to go ahead and say this too. If you actually are VT, then this play is the absolute dumbest shit play that could be made. In general, don't fake claim as town. Definitely don't fake claim in a game where there can be 2+ cops and/or trackers. Like this is absolute bad play that you shouldn't ever make as town.
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On June 21 2014 06:55 marvellosity wrote:
Actually it was an amazing fakeclaim, it was so bad I thought it had to come from town. Am so confused.
I had the reverse reaction. Like there are lots of god awful town claims but they rarely come out this bad. Like I really didn't believe this shit at all. It felt absolutely nothing like Wave (shoutout Wubby) claiming in The Game.
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On June 21 2014 07:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 07:08 TicaTica wrote:On June 21 2014 06:55 marvellosity wrote:
Actually it was an amazing fakeclaim, it was so bad I thought it had to come from town. Am so confused. I had the reverse reaction. Like there are lots of god awful town claims but they rarely come out this bad. Like I really didn't believe this shit at all. It felt absolutely nothing like Wave (shoutout Wubby) claiming in The Game. This isn't right at all.
I disagree at some point obstinant town claiming turns to specifically help and give info. His series of posts was far more in line with "stringing people along." That's why I didn't trust it. Sadly, I'm not sure it's indicative either way.
Here's why it's bad play. If any cop has an opposing check on Chrome or NB they have to counter claim. If they don't but have a green check on #awfulfakeclaimingbuttown ritoky they're forced to go along with it. If the tracker follows ritoky at all, they could confirm or deny the claim and it sets up scenarios where we mislynch twice in a row because you made a big dumbass move. It's such bad play as either alignment it's not funny.
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On June 21 2014 07:14 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 07:11 roundabound wrote:On June 21 2014 07:07 ExO_ wrote:
Chrome being Godfather is the only way ritoky would be correct and have everything still make sense. If Chrome is GF, he accepts the green check and lives off of it for as long as possible. Why the fuck would he want to claim miller? That's like the dumbest play of all time. because if they lynch 2 townies in a row they win. he can get a ML on me, then its basically LYLO or MYLO the rest of the way. as opposed to letting her go and then you have to do a lot more. but yeah its probably the simpler world and he is what he claims.
Do you realize if both of them are town, if he is mafia and she is scum, if he is miller and she is anything OR if both are mafia and he is not GF this play fails horrendously? Like if you're town, this is your fault. It's quite possibly the worst town "big play" I've seen and that's on top of Moc fake claiming doctor to get the real doctor lynched and worse than FirmTofu fake claiming naive cop to clear himself as town while throwing dirt and questioning a real cop (kinda) with a real red check (kinda) on scum.
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On June 21 2014 07:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote:
At least he didn't give the checks right away so that he got a reaction test out of Chrome...amirite? what are you talking about? chrom is like 90% the miller. read the interaction. i asked him "how would you feel if i told you i had a green check on you?" and his response is basically being flabbergasted. because that makes 0 sense to him. would say that's a pretty decent reaction test in regards to his claim. but hey, it was a bad play. move on and lynch you some more VT.
Regardless of what you flip, you were mafia this game.
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On June 21 2014 07:23 marvellosity wrote:
Gonna have to think about this tomorrow.
Thought not required.
If he 's alive, we are essentially forced to kill him before mylo and no way scum does it for us. It's obviously not ideal if he's town but as long as he's alive discussion will revolve around this shit regardless of his alignment. I'd rather know his alignment now rather than later. If he's town he's horribly fucked us. If he's mafia, we potentially reduce KP.
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On June 21 2014 07:25 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 07:22 TicaTica wrote:On June 21 2014 07:14 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2014 07:11 roundabound wrote:On June 21 2014 07:07 ExO_ wrote:
Chrome being Godfather is the only way ritoky would be correct and have everything still make sense. If Chrome is GF, he accepts the green check and lives off of it for as long as possible. Why the fuck would he want to claim miller? That's like the dumbest play of all time. because if they lynch 2 townies in a row they win. he can get a ML on me, then its basically LYLO or MYLO the rest of the way. as opposed to letting her go and then you have to do a lot more. but yeah its probably the simpler world and he is what he claims. Do you realize if both of them are town, if he is mafia and she is scum, if he is miller and she is anything OR if both are mafia and he is not GF this play fails horrendously? Like if you're town, this is your fault. It's quite possibly the worst town "big play" I've seen and that's on top of Moc fake claiming doctor to get the real doctor lynched and worse than FirmTofu fake claiming naive cop to clear himself as town while throwing dirt and questioning a real cop (kinda) with a real red check (kinda) on scum. you're voting on me, and this post seems to imply that you know i am VT. why do you know that? it's not as bad as you say it is; although it is bad a not really thought through. like i said, made the claim cuz the game was stale, dead, i wasn't having fun, had a strong read, and YOLO. get over it and try to figure out the game instead of complaining.
No. You die. You made a god awful play regardless of alignment. That's what I'm pointing out. In any of the above situations your play is hugely detrimental to town and will likely end in you being lynched for sure instead of you being possibly lynched. Regardless of your alignment that's fucking terrible. I think you might actually be a dumbass and fake claiming. I'm so not going to bother trying to figure out your alignment. There's no point. If you're willing to do shit like this as town because #YOLO, #bored or #deadgame then you are not a player I want at endgame. You will lose the game for us. So if you're town, I'd rather excise the cancerous lesion than allow it to fester and make things even worse. The upside is that there's still a good chance of you being a dumbass scum trying to make a play when none in necessary.
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On June 21 2014 07:30 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
The game wasn't dead at all.
That said there's little point in berating you anymore gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. i think when i flip VT you might really want to look into 27nb and rainbows. rainbows seemed to know all to well what was about to happen before it did.
No if you flip VT, we'll know you for what you are: an awful player who made an awful play. That won't mystically give your "actual reads" any more credence. In fact I will pretend you never played because nothing in your filter will be worth the time it takes to read it.
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On June 21 2014 07:53 marvellosity wrote:
Shut up geript.
Ok Marv. What points do you think actually make him town?
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On June 21 2014 08:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
tickytacky is geript, probably the only alarm I have to ritoky being town. I feel like he would be much angrier about all this unless he's mafia. if ritoky does indeed flip VT im not going to jump to conclusions but geript would definitely go up for me.
At first I thought you were talking about me being angrier. I think this is actually an interesting point.
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Actually I'm pretty sure ritoky is mafia. It has to do with both how he left the redcheck option open for a bit (but leaning towards Chrome) but ending on rainbows/NB scum. I'll explain when I get home.
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First off:
On June 19 2014 03:35 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 03:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 19 2014 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On June 19 2014 03:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I think ritoky is prob more maf than MIF is, tho im down with both.
MIF atleast has given thoughts, even if they show up at moments they are being pressured.
I would like you to prove this with examples. And I want you to tell me your opinion on those thoughts. Do you know how hard that is from a phone. Read ritokys filter- its like 2 pages. He has a argument with another player- and then gives two posts of reads and afks again MIF, well he questions and talks about more people imo, though im not impressed with the fact my questions still havent been answered what questions? marv/JAT who should i vote on? MiF?
This makes no sense. Two days earlier he was all in on Chrome, Ket, Sinani and CR. Does he not care about any of those reads? He doesn't bother pushing them whatsoever.
Plus he had a mystically awful reason for a townread on me previously for me saying King wasn't a bad lynch but I wasn't going to vote for it but Marv was going to get his lynch regardless.
That earlier stuff aside...
On June 21 2014 05:21 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 05:19 Chromatically wrote:On June 21 2014 05:16 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2014 05:14 Chromatically wrote:On June 21 2014 05:13 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2014 05:09 Chromatically wrote:
FINALLY FREE how would you feel if i told you that you were town? I would feel very confused and would require an explanation. how would you feel if i told you that i tunneled you cuz i town read you day 1 and wanted us both to stay alive? ...is that what you're saying you actually did? Or are we still talking hypothetically? how would you feel if i told you that there's an alive green and an alive red in this game right now and you're one of them?
This is not a post of a player who's planning to red check Ninja bunnies and green check Chrome. You don't plan to ask your green check what they think of your redcheck. You ask the other way around and you ask your redcheck about other people. On top of that you don't claim a check prior to inquiring on people. Like if this is a planned "reaction check " from a townie, talking about that check fake or not completely invalidates any point in asking the people.
Next, he wants to pit his "red check" against his "green check" and posts this.
On June 21 2014 05:43 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 05:36 marvellosity wrote:
when did you make these checks? where is your 3rd check? chrom 1st 27nb 2nd (sub with no posts or voting record) 3rd check died last night.
If he's town and fake claiming, what does he think he plans to gain from this? Any townie goes "well I'm town so other guy is scum, cool?" If he hits GF, they still react that way because they 'know" it's fake (other person isn't mafia) or they bus their partner like any sane being and proceed on happy to be green checked.
I can't think of any world where this plan actually works. The mafia in a town/mafia split starts pointing at the townie like any sane being and hopes that the cop is fake or that they have more sway/cred than him.
Plus this plan is ridiculously convoluted and outlandish. I've seen enough crazy shit in my day, but this is too far out in left field. It's more likely that this is a scum we who is trying to think of a wacky town gambit more than actual town gambit.
On top of this, look how ritoky responds to the pressure in thread. People want to know who the red check was. Marv's getting pissed about lynching town after a redcheck has happened and the cop didn't claim.
On June 21 2014 05:48 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 05:46 marvellosity wrote:
ritoky why did you let us kill town yesterday? because people have been setting up an easy low hanging fruit ML on me for days now, and every indication from you has been that our 1 protective role is a jailkeeper, not a straight doctor; i was in no threat of dying and wanted 1 more check. i also wanted you alive as long as possible, if i come out yesterday you die or i die.
This response is clear. This is no longer a reaction test of Chrome or NB. He hasn't put pressure on either of them with this a AND he hasn't figured out who he thinks is the easier target to fake claim on. The point of what he's doing isn't get a reaction; or else he'd make sure chrome/NB is around. It becomes obvious that he has to pick a choice to redcheck or he gets lynched. He decided to go with NB.
In general scum under pressure finger their partner more than they do town, because it's far far easier to sound good/right/towny/believable that way. I'm pretty sure that's the case here too. Ritoky has previously wholly ignored NB. NB has been pushing against ritoky but finding other people to land on.
It's a really weird reaction.
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On June 21 2014 10:34 ritoky wrote:
also, ticatica. i agree with everything you said. you give a well thought through analysis of why the play was bad.
i don't believe any of the stuff in your post really points to any reason why i am mafia though. bad play doesn't equal mafia.
anywayz, like i said; when i flip VT, 27nb is like 100% mafia here.
Ok let's say I want to believe you. What was your purpose in this gambit and where were you planning to go with it originally and as things developed as it was playing out?
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