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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 10:13 GMT
#2157
On June 13 2014 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 04:58 gumshoe wrote:
Hey, just caught up in a blitz. Here are my notes / :
+ Show Spoiler +
Chanman = town for brave gallows houmer

Palmer= neutral claim, fits? Maybs kill? Him bieng grey would explain his ambivilance, but if he was actually third party would he be so cavalier about it?

Chrom= Town for yolo push onto Koshi, posts do seem well thought out too.

Tehpoofter= redish for wanting spam?

Round= talking alot, not sure scum can play so fluid. Robik is known to be pretty emotional so the whole peronsal defence thing is in character.

bats= Aggresive. Dont like how everything reafirms his own bias, but his activity is helpful to town as a whole so townie?

Jat= Dont like how he tries t interject in the bat round fight. Will read more into him

Sinani- Unspoken tryst with round? Attacks other not quite as active players? Scumish?

Ritoky = town for brazen freedom mongering

Marv= null, biding his time one way or another. Dont like the whole “your bad and you should feel bad.” attitude he has regarding accusations.

Tica Tica= not sure why hes calling back to plam? Feels townie cause hes clearing names and picking out odd targets. Doesnt feel like he has an agenda?

Tefpoof= odd koshi attack? Dont like how he wanted to catch Marv for the sake of catching marv, feels like seeding?

Meapak= Null? Wierdness obscures actual motives? Reads Marv as scum, will need to see more of him

Vayne= Skips a bunch of pages? Not sure scum would feel safe enough to do that? Belies a sense of isolation or potentially scummy laziness. Hard to say.

Kush= null

Chairman= Dont like how he basically says he doesnt like a whole post, then proceeds to break it apart bit by bit. Yet doesnt make an accusation out of it? Feels like hes trying to get other townies to jump, as if “take your pick folks! I cant eat another bite / :” scummy, will elaborate on him.

Exo= Scared to rush out opinions? Scumish

Bill murray= Insane

Yamato is fearless= town

Rainbows= Like his whole “these guys are on the same page as me, and have the same process, I'm town ergo so are they!” Not necessarily right but reads as a townie mentality.


Dont like this post by Chairman
On June 11 2014 11:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
batsnacks, I do not fully understand your post, and was hoping you could clarify a few thing for me:

On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far:


Sinani - Scum. He treads too lightly and unsuccessfully tries to dodge the spotlight. He tries to direct the spotlight away from himself.


Do you have specific posts? I feel you are speaking too metaphorically and I don't actually see what you mean in his filter.

Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia.


I'm not sure how to respond to this. What does "too impressive" mean?

tehpoofer - Scum. My notes say "gave a lame apology." Voted roundabout for bad reasons, then unvoted roundabout for equally bad reasons. Voted for Koshi and switched soon after without pressuring Koshi at all. Soft defended sinani early on, then voted him for bad reasons, then unvoted him for bad reasons. Noticing a pattern. Tries to look like he's "helping" by pointing out when the thread started for kush. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what a hydra is. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what OMGUS means. Paraphrases other people's posts for them.


tehpoofer made a ton of posts today and you have summarized a few of them. Can you explain why these posts you have selected are alignment indicative, and what you think about all his other posts?

vayne - Skipped early game. Skipped more because "migraine." FOS


Palmer has skipped the game thus far because of dota. Why is he not on your FOS?

sandroba - Gets town cred for calling out Koshi first


Why is this town indicative? Why doesn't Bill Murray get town cred from calling out roundabout's sheeping the wrong player?

exo - "I'm new guys please take it easy on me." FOS


Why is this suspicious behavior?

Bill Murray - My notes say "he liked exo's early posts." All of exo's early posts were questions about terminology that he could have easily googled. FOS


Exo has made posts that are not just asking for terminology. Why did you discount these posts?

TicaTica - Expert troll? Null read.


Why did you give TicaTica a null read with no real explanation, and not included any of the other people who have posted in this thread?


What I get from it is that he basically didnt like Bats whole post, but doesn't immediately jump on him for it? The way he so cleanly spread out his greivances, it feels like hes trying to offer everyone something to pounce on, but doesnt peronally leap on any of it himself.

When the opposite happens, and people jump on him for the shoddy post, he comes out swinging, but drops the read after just a couple hours when no one really agrees with him / : Notably Bat was an enemy of Rounds, as was Chair man. Did he bilieve they were scum together? Cause he never took back his read on round. Honestly it seems as if the heat on Round died down a bit and he came after Bat because thats the conflict he was most familiar with ( when your maf you tend to focus more on the events that directly concern you and as a result your accusations lean that way because those are the matters your best versed in.)

Yeah not a fan of the Chair....Man


I seem to remember someone else, if not multiple people, making the same conclusion on cr's post as gumshoes entrance post which is pretty lackluster/fishy for gs, not to mention he's pretty much completely drops it and moves elsewhere


someone else/multiple ppl before gs entry*
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 10:15 GMT
#2160
On June 13 2014 19:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:11 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:10 Holyflare wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:09 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:07 Holyflare wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:06 marvellosity wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote:
point me to a town game where he plays like this x_x?

do you make anything of KotC having him as his vote?


maybe snb being a power role but otherwise not much

Huh? Explain. Do you mean a scum powerrole or how does that make sense?


obviously

So you are saying snb and kush are both scum together with the cat. I wish games were that easy.


in a perfect world honestly haven't read much from snb though only remember his angry entrances

I mean it is not unheard of that all 3 wagons are scum but I don't think that is very likely. Would mean the scumteam is totally incompetent.


it's not like kush was a wagon, if anything it is a highly reluctant one from everyone
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 10:19 GMT
#2167
On June 13 2014 19:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 19:16 Koshi wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:11 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:10 Holyflare wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:09 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:07 Holyflare wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:06 marvellosity wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote:
point me to a town game where he plays like this x_x?

do you make anything of KotC having him as his vote?


maybe snb being a power role but otherwise not much

Huh? Explain. Do you mean a scum powerrole or how does that make sense?


obviously

So you are saying snb and kush are both scum together with the cat. I wish games were that easy.


in a perfect world honestly haven't read much from snb though only remember his angry entrances

I mean it is not unheard of that all 3 wagons are scum but I don't think that is very likely. Would mean the scumteam is totally incompetent.

Cats, SnB and ?

HF says they are scum with kush. Are you even reading?


just theorising about cats vote tbh nothing concrete
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 10:24 GMT
#2172
On June 13 2014 19:23 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 19:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:16 Koshi wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:11 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:10 Holyflare wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:09 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:07 Holyflare wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:06 marvellosity wrote:
[quote]
do you make anything of KotC having him as his vote?


maybe snb being a power role but otherwise not much

Huh? Explain. Do you mean a scum powerrole or how does that make sense?


obviously

So you are saying snb and kush are both scum together with the cat. I wish games were that easy.


in a perfect world honestly haven't read much from snb though only remember his angry entrances

I mean it is not unheard of that all 3 wagons are scum but I don't think that is very likely. Would mean the scumteam is totally incompetent.

Cats, SnB and ?

HF says they are scum with kush. Are you even reading?

Says the guy that started this 3 wagon scum thing, while I don't see where HF says Kush is scum. Just that Cats didn't vote SnB because he is a powerrole. HF never said Kush is scum. I don't see where you get that from.


someone clearly isn't reading the thread at all ~_~
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 10:25 GMT
#2173
if it's not apparent that i think kush is scum after pushing him as another wagon for like 1h 1/2 yesterday at deadline then you cray cray koshi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 10:33 GMT
#2184
but what mafia just afk when their mafia buddy is dying or at least try and push something that isn't 1 lazy vote on ritoky?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 10:33 GMT
#2185
actually nvm quite a few recently
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 10:36 GMT
#2190
On June 13 2014 19:35 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 19:34 Koshi wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:32 marvellosity wrote:
it's nothing to do with sheeping me

it's totally disappearing after being active when i made my case

it's not contributing anything to the thread while kotc wagon was taking place

it's lazy +1 of some random case later

Yeah well. I don't see scum motive.
You make case.
He is angry.
He votes himself.
He comes back and votes some random guy.

The most incriminating thing is that he came back right when the dust settled and Cats had 8 votes.

Scum motive is that he has no fucking idea what to do when townie with massive thread influence makes a case on his scumbuddy so he abandons the thread.

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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 10:36 GMT
#2193
On June 13 2014 19:35 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 19:32 marvellosity wrote:
it's nothing to do with sheeping me

it's totally disappearing after being active when i made my case

it's not contributing anything to the thread while kotc wagon was taking place

it's lazy +1 of some random case later


No. I watched the world cup (after sheeping chrom because I dont have time to read) with friends and slept after that for 12 hours.

I have just finished catching up with the thread and will post my stuff later, when I'm on a computer.

Of course, you can choose not to believe me.


world cup was still on when you sheeped chrom??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 10:39 GMT
#2196
On June 13 2014 19:37 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 19:36 marvellosity wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:35 HaruRH wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:32 marvellosity wrote:
it's nothing to do with sheeping me

it's totally disappearing after being active when i made my case

it's not contributing anything to the thread while kotc wagon was taking place

it's lazy +1 of some random case later


No. I watched the world cup (after sheeping chrom because I dont have time to read) with friends and slept after that for 12 hours.

I have just finished catching up with the thread and will post my stuff later, when I'm on a computer.

Of course, you can choose not to believe me.

World cup wasn't on during that time period.

World cup opening ceremony wasn't until about 7pm my time


???

World cup started right when the lynch happened. I was already gone 1 hour before it.

you were gone for 6 hours before you returned to sheep onto ritoky?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 10:44 GMT
#2201
On June 13 2014 19:42 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 19:38 marvellosity wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:37 HaruRH wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:36 marvellosity wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:35 HaruRH wrote:
On June 13 2014 19:32 marvellosity wrote:
it's nothing to do with sheeping me

it's totally disappearing after being active when i made my case

it's not contributing anything to the thread while kotc wagon was taking place

it's lazy +1 of some random case later


No. I watched the world cup (after sheeping chrom because I dont have time to read) with friends and slept after that for 12 hours.

I have just finished catching up with the thread and will post my stuff later, when I'm on a computer.

Of course, you can choose not to believe me.

World cup wasn't on during that time period.

World cup opening ceremony wasn't until about 7pm my time


???

World cup started right when the lynch happened. I was already gone 1 hour before it.

That's not when I was talking about. I'm talking about how you were active RIGHT UP to the point I made my case on KotC and then you disappeared for many hours.

Could well be coincidence.

Could also not be.


Sorry, I had no interest to read any of your cases at that point because I was quite pissed. I don't even know the reason for lynching kotc, I just assumed what chrom said was true and it was a giant sheepfest.

coincidence or not, I believed my initial vote, snb to be more scummy and since everyone decided to go off the wagon, I chose chrom to sheep.


Snb was still an alternate wagon? Why abandon ship from someone you think is scummy to end up sheeping chrom. Chrom's points aren't particularly that great tbh.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 11:46 GMT
#2211
I read scum based on votes. Not a surprise, but I'll read how the votes move and deduce the main scum suspect.

Just a clarification on how my scum% system works, everyone starts off at 0% scum and the number increases through scum posts.


So which is it? If you base people off scummy posts kush must be at like 100%
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 14:17 GMT
#2225
On June 13 2014 23:08 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 19:22 marvellosity wrote:
So I made my case at 13:22 my time yesterday. Haru had been posting kinda regularly up until that point (7 times in the hour before my case), and then completely stopped posting when I made my case.

He then made 1 lazy +1 vote to Chrome's ritoky case 6 hours later, no reference to anything else.

me-no-likey.

I completely agree with this. I think that the people who look worst from the Cats flip are those who ignored the case on him entirely.

Scum wouldn't want to sheep a scum lynch that is already set because they think that it would look bad (ie look like a bus). Scum also wouldn't want to push some other target because the chances of them actually diverting the lynch at that point were near 0, and it would just draw attention to them after the flip.

Basically, they have no options for giving a read on Cats. If they say Cats is scum, then they have no excuse not to sheep onto Cats. If they say Cats is town, then they draw attention to themselves for defending the scum lynch (and they had really no good reasons to call him town). So they would totally ignore the case.


so your new target is haru then?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 14:23 GMT
#2227
yup tl keeps crashing thought it was just me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 14:29 GMT
#2229
what happened about the slam thing btw? cats thing still scummy as far as i'm concerned
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 14:30 GMT
#2230
On June 13 2014 23:24 Chromatically wrote:
I don't know if I would say he's my "new target", I think the flip makes him look bad and there's nothing particularly townie in his filter.


You completely agree with marv on his post about haru, you say there's nothing towny in his filter and his vote makes him look bad.

Is there another word that's supposed to be coming out of your mouth that you just aren't saying?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 14:32 GMT
#2234
On June 13 2014 23:32 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
On June 13 2014 23:24 Chromatically wrote:
I don't know if I would say he's my "new target", I think the flip makes him look bad and there's nothing particularly townie in his filter.


You completely agree with marv on his post about haru, you say there's nothing towny in his filter and his vote makes him look bad.

Is there another word that's supposed to be coming out of your mouth that you just aren't saying?

Uh what? I assume you want me to say that he's scum, I thought it was implied. I just didn't like the wording of "new target" like he's the one person I want to lynch.


I think your votes looked like one of the worst imo
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 14:38 GMT
#2239
On June 13 2014 23:34 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
On June 13 2014 23:32 Chromatically wrote:
On June 13 2014 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
On June 13 2014 23:24 Chromatically wrote:
I don't know if I would say he's my "new target", I think the flip makes him look bad and there's nothing particularly townie in his filter.


You completely agree with marv on his post about haru, you say there's nothing towny in his filter and his vote makes him look bad.

Is there another word that's supposed to be coming out of your mouth that you just aren't saying?

Uh what? I assume you want me to say that he's scum, I thought it was implied. I just didn't like the wording of "new target" like he's the one person I want to lynch.


I think your votes looked like one of the worst imo

Okay.


you spent the whole time talking about your ritoky case (which applied to many other people too but you still only chose ritoky) and then just briefly mentioned cats but you didn't even call him scummy

On June 13 2014 03:12 Chromatically wrote:
The case on Cats is good but it basically relies on him being experienced/good. He could be actually new or just really bad. ritoky has done things that are scum-motivated, not just bad. I'll consolidate my case because I think I wasn't very clear yesterday.


tbh you clearly didn't even read anything i posted about kush or read his filters properly because you said it looked like the town game when it was worlds apart from it and then when cats was already being voted off and was definitely going to die you joined the wagon even though it was pretty much solid anyway, what was your motivation for that???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 14:58 GMT
#2247
On June 13 2014 23:53 batsnacks wrote:
Posting from phone. The only thing anyone has said about slam is that he neglected to share his info on cats, even when he was asked to. No one is analyzing things slam said, they are analyzing what he didn't say when he could, and should, have spoken up.


You mean the fact that slam knew cats had good town play and didn't say anything? Would have saved a lot of trouble. He also didn't vote cats after the case which displayed anti his idea of cats good town play play, i.e. Scum play.

On the +side he actually mentioned it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 14:59 GMT
#2248
Nvm -.-
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