TL 'Order' LXVI Mafia - Page 4

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 19 2014 02:19 GMT

#4438

On June 19 2014 10:56 batsnacks wrote:
Everyone should just vote their biggest town read tomorrow. Obviously what we've been doing isn't working we need to change it up.

you seem pretty intent on getting marv killed

yet you've never actually said what your problem with him is

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 19 2014 14:53 GMT

#4475

On June 19 2014 23:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
well I figured with 8 blue roles I would have something to analyze eventually but that is not happening for whatever reason

What does that even mean

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 21 2014 14:30 GMT

#5240

##Vote: ketomai

I'll be back later.

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 22 2014 20:09 GMT

#5389

I'm the tracker.
Chrom visited rainbows.

##Vote: chromatically

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 22 2014 20:18 GMT

#5406

Bunnies n2 no one
Round n3 no one

Missed n1 deadline

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 22 2014 20:21 GMT

#5413

Oh well I sent one in late n1 and got no response so I guess it doesn't matter either way

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 22 2014 20:35 GMT

#5426

27 sorry I'm on mobile ATM so i cant really go checkbut you're claiming vt right?

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 22 2014 20:45 GMT

#5433

1. ObiWanShinobi
3. ritoky cop
9. 27ninjabunnies vt
10. sinani206 tracker
15. Alakaslam
18. Chairman Ray
19. roundabound
21. strongandbig
24. Holyflare
27. batsnacks
28. VayneAuthority
29. Chromatically tracker

idk i just need to see it visually

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 22 2014 20:59 GMT

#5436

Writing claims down not what I think yet. Just add whatever role you are claiming to the list.

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 22 2014 21:32 GMT

#5439

So is anybody else going to claim like they keep saying they will or what

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 22 2014 23:01 GMT

#5441

This post is an attempt of me trying to find a scumteam of four or five based on ritoky and VayneAuthority being the first two.

Here we go:

I'm going to ignore ritoky's early game Chromatically stuff until later, because it seems null to me, at least until I read a bit more.

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On June 17 2014 04:48 ritoky wrote:
Well I promised reads, then I fell asleep. So here they are, as much as I can fit in before I have to go:

Top town circle: Koshi, JAT, Marv

Other town peoples: ExO_, TicaTica, roundabound

The tri-fecta or weird feelings: Holyflare, Tehpoofter, VayneAuthority - These three (Holyflare the least of the 3) are fence leaning scum for me based on a couple of things; the first being a very odd interaction in the game. Holyflare begins to make a list of mostly unproductive/inactive people that he wants to lynch, which isn't out of character for him. Although in cell mafia he was yelling at inactives and criticizing people a lot more for lack of reading comprehension, so there's something to be said for that. Anyways, Holyflare posts this:

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To which I point out, if he is making that list then why did he omit VayneAuthority:

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And to be fair, I could very easily believe that which is why I feel this interaction is the least weird for Holy, although he is far less critical than the last time when he was town in cell. However now we get to the strange part. VA comes back to the thread because there is a slight bit of discussion about him and posts this:

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Then doesn't address a single thing and just leaves again, which gave me very strange feelings about him; but it was really set off when this happened.

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This read is bullshit to me. 1st, I don't see where the hell VA tried at all today; and I also don't see the level of caring. This is a forced read with very little justification to me. And I had a meta read on you yesterday as being "wolfy"; and this read just made me begin to trust that read a little more. I wouldn't be surprised if banks and VA are wolves together in the slightest.

No bueno people
- Chairman Ray - His votes don't line up with his play. He said he had a case on roundabound and Haru, yet he didn't really push those cases at all. He doesn't really seem to be hunting scum, and I read a lot of his posts as very passive.
- Sinani - Was active, then got criticized for his play and got called scum and as a result has responded with shallow posts and inactivity. Makes me believe he is trying to hide. At one point I forgot he was even in the game.
- Ketomai - I read a lot of his posts as summarizing, recaping, and saying a lot of non-committal information. Seems be going out of his way to remain Switzerland-like.

Kill him with fire: Chromatically - Tried that push to save his scum buddy, all of the stuff I listed earlier; he hasn't really done anything to redeem himself in my eyes at all. He shoulda died so long ago it's not even funny.

This is all I can do for now, as I have to go to work. I wanted to give reasons for town reads, but alas no time. If I am alive after the flip I will.

The three people he gives reads on who are alive are his green roundabound, green lean on Holyflare, and red on Chairman Ray. Let's compare these to thread consensus at the time. They are basically all exactly what town was thinking at the time he posted this, except for the green lean on Holy. That is what begins to make me possibly suspicious of Holyflare. Additionally, the red CR read could be a bus. As for roundabound, I think I'm going to need something a little more definite, or maybe something in VA's play.

He then says he has a lack of time to make a case on CR, which increases my suspicioun there.

Then there's all this spammy shit with the claim. Since I'm basically convinced ritoky is scum after this stuff, there would be a pretty high chance of a bunnies bus since he called her scum, but I think I'll leave her alone for another day, because I checked her and she was immobile N2. His other check (Chrom) is a big fucking pile of steaming WifoM and I think that there's a pretty good chance of two trackers this game. So Chromatically gets left alone for now too.

So basically, CR.

But as I was reading through ritoky's filter, I was reminded of a few very good reasons why strongandbig could be scum. I'll actually just add his filter to this post at the end.

We got 4 now, but let's read through VA's filter.

...

Holy shit, worse than cancer. I'm a lot surer now, especially with all the associative shit with ritoky from today so far.

strongandbigtime

Cats vote on day one is so scummy

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On June 13 2014 02:52 strongandbig wrote:
oh right voting for cats

##vote: thekingofthecats

So are the rest of his votes actually, now that I'm done reading, but I don't need to quote all of them.
The point is, he's useless.

So that's four. I think the fifth could be one of
Holyflare
roundabound
ObiWanShinobi

So, ritoky for now, I guess.

##Vote: ritoky

What do you guys think? I'm definitely open to other people's thoughts on this.

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 22 2014 23:48 GMT

#5446

On June 23 2014 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
as I said.. mafia kp is factional so whether you tracked someone and they did an action or not does not make them town so your role is effectively meh at this point in the game, at no point in time anywhere in that post does he call me town, in fact it's quite the opposite he calls me mafia

if ritoky is mafia why would he claim cop and red check his own team mate (bunnies) and then call her mafia that is the worst conclusion to draw from that! Not only would mafia ritoky have to guess that there would be no ACTUAL cop in the game but then he'd be sacrificing his own team mate (bunnies) for no reason whatsoever either

I never said bunnies was scum

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 23 2014 00:13 GMT

#5450

On June 23 2014 09:10 Chromatically wrote:
Can someone explain to me why ritoky does his fakeclaim as scum? I'm not convinced he's scum.

read the posts after he supposedly decided his claim wasn't fun anymore. it's almost certainly scum trying to make light of a fuckup.

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 23 2014 15:40 GMT

#5558

I think that slam has a pretty good chance of slam being JK based on the vet claim, and although I did rescind my initial vote on Chrom, I didn't have him or slam in my scum team, and quite obviously one of them is mafia. So I think of the two, I'm more inclined to vote for Chrom. But I'm not inclined that the chance of that logic being right is greater than ritoky being scum.

Ritoky. You need to DEFEND YOURSELF if you are town and this is LYLO. Otherwise, there's no reason for any of us to unvote you.

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 23 2014 15:41 GMT

#5559

On June 24 2014 00:40 sinani206 wrote:
I think that slam has a pretty good chance of slam being JK based on the vet claim, and although I did rescind my initial vote on Chrom, I didn't have him or slam in my scum team, and quite obviously one of them is mafia. So I think of the two, I'm more inclined to vote for Chrom. But I'm not inclined that the chance of that logic being right is greater than ritoky being scum.

Ritoky. You need to DEFEND YOURSELF if you are town and this is LYLO. Otherwise, there's no reason for any of us to unvote you.

that first sentence lol

should be I think that slam has a pretty good chance of being JK

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 23 2014 20:11 GMT

#5612

On June 24 2014 05:07 ritoky wrote:

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what did i make up? from my understanding now you have to submit who you're janitoring in the night phase.

so in order to janitor a mafia teammate, you would have to anticipate them dying in the night, and pre-emptively janitor them.

it's not like the mod sends you a list of people dying after they have been killed and you get to pick one. at least in the process the mod described.

It was fairly obvious that vig was gunning for him. You would have known that if you had read the thread. Whether he was town or mafia, there was definitely incentive to use the janitor shot on him.

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 23 2014 20:21 GMT

#5619

On June 24 2014 05:20 ritoky wrote:

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i agree that you and holyflare are aligned, you have both been pushing lynches on lurkers all game.

yeah that makes them the same for sure i agree 100%

sinani206

United States1959 Posts

June 24 2014 14:37 GMT

#5669

On June 24 2014 23:06 strongandbig wrote:
Ok reading cr's post I get why my argument means I should vote nb - it's true that chromatically can't be scum without bunnies being scum.

I will vote either bunnies or holy flare over ritocky, I feel like scum is pushing ritocky hard as the last mislynch they need to win.

##unvote
##vote: 27ninjabunnies

which scum