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TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 12 2014 19:43 GMT

#1913

On June 13 2014 04:41 Holyflare wrote:

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i'm just going to call you stevelisk because you're about as useless as him but not as hyped up as a zergling

But isn't that steveling's scum meta.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 12 2014 19:48 GMT

#1929

On June 13 2014 04:46 Holyflare wrote:
people are afraid of the coin flip when it's not a coin flip because they are all too lazy to bother reading what i wrote

Don't worry sweetie. I'll be there to console you tonight after you're good and liquored up.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 12 2014 19:50 GMT

#1937

On June 13 2014 04:44 marvellosity wrote:
so many of my townlist on my wagon

i am happy

Yah your wagon doesn't seem awful. I still don't like Obi though. I'm less fond of Palmer than you and sinani is giving me hesitations.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 12 2014 20:02 GMT

#1958

On June 13 2014 04:51 marvellosity wrote:

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go read Red Team's Prize

then tell me sinani is the same alignment as that game

Fair. Looks pretty different. I still dislike when a known lurker goes active early on then just drops off the face of the earth.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 12 2014 22:18 GMT

#2035

On June 13 2014 07:07 marvellosity wrote:

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not what i was looking for.

Having played with him previously I'm pretty sure he's town. Specifically I find this game approach quite similarly to his first or second newbie game. He's a good player and I don't hate his targets. I'm actually more interested in why you think he's not town.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 13 2014 10:21 GMT

#2169

On June 13 2014 19:16 marvellosity wrote:

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Ace (6)
poofter (2)
gumshoe (1)
anyone else (0)

sound familiar to you? :p

Very interesting point. Apparently my rainbows post got eaten. He's a solid player who I've read and played with a few times. He's not cocky this game or randomly pushing bad lynches IMO. He's focused on finding other town he can trust. Very reminiscent of his town play in that regard Marv. I think quite equivalent to his first or second newbie game. Admittedly off the top of my head I can't remember a large game he's played to compare it to.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 13 2014 13:31 GMT

#2221

On June 13 2014 22:01 marvellosity wrote:
I think I might be onboard Koshi/foolish's MZ-mafia thingy.

All aboard. Come on. Everyone hop on the choo choo train.

I seriously haven't look at it and won't until saturday or sunday. Too busy until then.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 13 2014 14:36 GMT

#2236

On June 13 2014 23:17 mattisfoolish wrote:
Players that we should be looking at closely for the next lynch

MZ
Sandroba
Ketomai
ObiWanShinobi

I'm glad that people not me have been pushing Obiwan. I've disliked him for a while and I don't get why some people took him off the block.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 13 2014 14:40 GMT

#2240

Can we live in reality where Slam's alignment is a complete coin flip? He's been significantly less helpful this game than in a few previous. That's the major thing to note that could be said is even minorly alignment indicative. But any fuckhead who thinks they can read Slam in this game is just off their rocker. He's a fine vigi shot. He's maybe an ok lynch, but let's not bother spending time to actually read and analyze him and instead read and analyze people who are actually readable and discernable. At worst we can alway default to a Slam lynch as is the general omgus policy: "When in doubt, lynch Slam."

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 13 2014 15:31 GMT

#2263

On June 13 2014 23:53 batsnacks wrote:
Posting from phone. The only thing anyone has said about slam is that he neglected to share his info on cats, even when he was asked to. No one is analyzing things slam said, they are analyzing what he didn't say when he could, and should, have spoken up.

Analyzing what Slam didn't, hasn't or won't say is often a mistake in trying to read him. By often I mean always.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 13 2014 18:40 GMT

#2371

Grab your butts everybody. I just almost aced my 3 hour final. Get ready for some epic drunk posting tonight.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 15 2014 17:18 GMT

#2932

I really doubt MILF is mafia just based on timing. Gonna shower then filter. Sandroba a better lynch IMO.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 15 2014 17:49 GMT

#2940

On June 16 2014 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:

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Ok, elaborate on that when you are back please.

Look at where an when things have come up. Semi late push. No reasonable counter push. Votes spread all around. I'd look at Ket and Haruh. I don't think the rainbows Haru shit was town on town at all.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 15 2014 18:14 GMT

#2953

On June 16 2014 02:54 roundabound wrote:

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No counter push?

Kush, no?

Sandroba, no?

The vote spread around is not indicative to me of mafia being happy or unhappy with the vote.
Its indicative of lack of leadership.

Every bob, joe, dick and harry is going around saying "Player XYZ" is mafia; there has not been a driving force towards consolidation.

Robik and me finally caught up to chat & we agree rainbows/haru is not town + town either.

However I havent seen a good reason to not vote MIF other than potential to solve the game (which is applicable to a multitude of players left in the pool).

~moc

There's nothing coordinated with any of those pushes. There's no urgency. The closest thing is the Haruh/Rainbows thing. Votes right now show they don't in any way care about Fool getting lynched now and haven't all day. That makes him exceptionally likely to be town.

I'm pretty sure that Haru is the mafia between Haru/rainbows, but I'm going to spend my time there.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 15 2014 18:47 GMT

#2977

On June 11 2014 18:42 HaruRH wrote:
I read through 30+ pages of 'stuff' and the huge post by koshi and the reads off koshi's posts were striking to me.

CR seems like trying to earn some towncred by pointing out koshi first, so that in the future he can use this as a reference to how towny he is.

Town totem: Chrom, batsnacks.

Everyone else is hard to read. They make towny posts, then destroy their own image by making themselves look scummy.

On June 11 2014 23:32 HaruRH wrote:
Exo joins me on my town totem.

Town totem:
Chrom
Exo
batsnacks

I really dislike when people give townreads for literally no reason. Even moreso, most people were reading Chrome and bat as town already. I don't find this definitive, but I'd lean a shade towards mafia.

On June 12 2014 18:00 HaruRH wrote:

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I thought I said the vote on CR from me was a placeholder? SnB have some weird posts, will link them here in one sec, Filter dived him today.

This is a really odd response if Haru is town. His response is defensive which isn't alignment indicative imo; but there is something specific that I find interesting about this. Is most cases where someone pushes against you, many times the town target wants to feel out the person who's pushing against them. In the case of Palmer who hadn't done anything really, this is often especially important to get him to explain his viewpoint. Haru didn't feel like it was important at all to try and figure out Palmer's alignment at all. That's pretty odd. What I find more interesting about this is the response to Palmer is quite different from the following response:

On June 12 2014 21:18 HaruRH wrote:
Heck, I'll even help you make a huge post on why we should all lynch Haru.

Firstly, this haru guy don't even

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On June 12 2014 05:43 HaruRH wrote:

On June 12 2014 05:40 Koshi wrote:

On June 12 2014 05:29 HaruRH wrote:

On June 12 2014 05:19 gumshoe wrote:

On June 12 2014 05:08 Chromatically wrote:
gumshoe, I couldn't help but notice that your post is lacking a read on Koshi. Care to indulge me?

I liked your push onto him, but I'm not a fan of how quickly the wagon picked up speed. That and alota people I don't like have been taking sucker punches at Koshi throughout the game ( namely chairman). As for the contradiction, it looks bad, but as someone who contradicts himself constantly I can totally see it coming out of town Koshi. Lastly, saying your gonna play awesome then not posting for ages is sorta asking to get lynched, scum Koshi is more careful that that / : I could be wrong( not a foreign state for me ) but at the moment I much rather lynch chair and I'd like to see what Koshi contributes while not under threat of lynch.

I can agree with gumshoe on CR. Like I mentioned, CR's initial attack on koshi seemed to be gathering towncred in later stages of the game by referencing to it. I don't see a need for town to do it.

All the votes on koshi were... weird. Rainbows and ticatica just sat on the koshiwagon and drove off together. Not a good sign tbh.

My vote on koshi is a placeholder. Now that he deviates off his HUGE ASS POST PLAYMAKER style, he seemed to be more obnoxious than ever. Its hard to find obnoxious scum who might succumb to a policy lynch.

##Vote:Chairman Ray

CR defended me from the get-go. The posts he made around me were also extremely thought out. If you are referring to him saying my post looked scummy than that is because he actually thought it looked scummy. But after that he gave reasons to why he thinks I am town. If I remember correctly from a previous game CR is capable to make big thought out post as scum, but he is more disconnected with the thread while doing so, he just pops in with huge ass posts. In this game he is having good thought out opinions in the moment. I wouldn't lynch him.

Those other 2 names in your post, Rainbows and TicaTica, those are the people that are interesting.

Meta argument is something I cannot push upon since I don't know much about anyone yet. So I'll just assume that koshi is correct about CR's play. I'll stay with this vote until someone more scummy pops out.

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On June 12 2014 18:05 HaruRH wrote:
After diving SnB, I realised the pool is so shallow theres no need to bring a snorkel. So here's why SnB makes me wanna lynch the scum out of him:

On June 11 2014 23:41 strongandbig wrote:
Finished reading through page 48 on phone
Have to go to work
Some notes to calm thy tits, thread:
Townish:
- chromatically

Scummish:
- palmar not trying on day 1
- koshi for pretty random townreads and listpost
- rainbows bad reasoning for scum read on koshi. Tries to make something shitty up, indicates he's not comfortable just agreeing with good reasoning already posted - indicates selfconscious mafia.

Good args:
- chromatically on why sinani is scum
- mz on why round is scum
- koshi on why tica is scum
- (sort of good) round on why ketomi is scum

On June 12 2014 04:55 strongandbig wrote:
Blergh caught up with the thread and lunch is over
[complain about spam, maybe if I do it more it's likely to work]

Anyway, I would kill koshi right now. Don't have anything new to add, I like chromatic ally's case

Also would still kill rainbows

soo... He thinks koshi makes good arguments, then want to lynch koshi.

On June 12 2014 04:17 strongandbig wrote:

On June 11 2014 13:31 batsnacks wrote:

On June 11 2014 13:26 Chairman Ray wrote:

On June 11 2014 13:23 batsnacks wrote:
Chairman, without reading the above post, I really wish both your posts about me weren't perfectly sequential dissections of literally everything I said.

Sorry, I'll try to keep it brief from now on. You can just read the "Overall" statement at the end

Look I like everything you said I think it's great. I read the whole thing. You got an A+ on your homework for sure. I really, really, really hate that you commented on everything I said in the order I said it in both posts though. If you are mafia which I think you probably are, that's the only thing you should have changed to make it better.

This is stupid.

There's nothing wrong with an in-depth post by post analysis and the fact that newer players don't know this is just a sign of how spammy and annoying the meta has gotten .

Then he shitposts.

ALL.

Then, this haru guy dont even defend himself

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Thus I deduce this haru guy is scum 100%. ##Vote: HaruRH

The thing about this is that Haru is so sarcastic about this. He's also exceptionally indignant which I find more often comes from mafia. He's not in any way defensive or protective about people being dismissive about his reads. He doens't even show any care about them. It's moreso that he is trying to dismiss being seen as scum than he's trying to fight for any of his points.

FWIW, Marv had bad feels about Haru earlier on too.

Another interesting thing that I see is that Haru doesn't really follow up on his reads whatsoever. He makes points that he finds important, but he never revisits them. He doesn't consider or move to re-evaluate reads.

There is literally zero possibility of Haru being town. None of his reads are anything which he holds any sort of conviction about. Chrome was originally town totem, but now he's his top scum read. Neither time is there any reasoning for it. He's essentially just omgus'd whoever has attacked him for the littlest thing. At worst, we remove a bad town who we don't want or need at endgame. Mostly likely though we lynch scum back to back.

#vote.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 15 2014 18:48 GMT

#2980

On June 16 2014 03:48 Koshi wrote:
I can sheep you if you tell me who you are.

You talking to me?

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 15 2014 18:50 GMT

#2984

On June 16 2014 03:48 Koshi wrote:

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yes ofc.

I am that I am. I would but for the overall betterment of the game I won't.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 15 2014 18:57 GMT

#2989

So Koshi, what if anything do you find unconvincing about the case? Do you think I'm wrong that the Haru/Rainbows interaction is town-on-scum? Where do you stand on this?

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 15 2014 19:08 GMT

#2998

On June 16 2014 04:06 marvellosity wrote:
really 6 people not voting with less than an hour to go? that's atrocious

Take a look at the Haru filter and my and Rainbow's case. I'm pretty sure the Haru/Rainbows interaction was scum-on-town and I think Rainbows is the town.

TicaTica

Costa Rica194 Posts

June 15 2014 19:11 GMT

#3002

On June 16 2014 04:10 Koshi wrote:

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It's funny because I think all of them could be scum.

Probably 3 at most.