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Random filter reads: gumshoe -
- chairman ray is an easy target since he keeps getting mislynched
- don't like his advice post to exo, not one bit
- kitomai day1 case is correct reasoning but that's not necessarily a town tell because that reasoning was so obvious, didnt require a townie point of view to see. Still, good
- after absence still on Eco, srs?
Don't like the exo advice giving obsession, that's like five posts out of like twenty. Not gonna call him scum for lurking since he's posted more than I have, but lean scum for the above reasons0
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Random filter reads (not actually random I chose short filters so I could do more): chairman ray
- random votes round as a joke then makes it real - doesnt have to be "scum trying to justify their random vote", I could also see the random vote making him read round's filter first as town - actually it wouldn't make sense for this to be scum trying to maintain consistency and justify an early vote since he announces the random vote beforehand. Still, I think in general scum are more likely to be concerned with consistency than town, so when someone real-votes the target of their random vote it makes me suspicious.
- that said I kind of like his reasoning in his real-case post on round.
- his koshi long post reads townie to me. This is counterintuitive but I see confliction about your read on someone as townie not scummy, since scum are going to be self aware of the "need to not be wishy washy" and are going to fake self confidence and make sure their reads have a point
- bat snacks case is null, i don't feel a lot of attachment but I can see where his read is coming from
- don't like the unvote on bar snacks but reading the filter it seems less scummy than I thought it would, for the same reasons the case itself is null
- reasons for voting me are fine IMO
Read: town
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I tried to random filter read vayne authority but there's like nothing there that gives a hint of his thought process, just some pictures and some random unjustified conclusions
I don't feel like he was like this when I played with him before? This is more what id expect from kush or like mrzentor
Unfortunately I don't know what this means for him alignment wise because I haven't played much for a while.
So filter read: failure
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On June 19 2014 03:07 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 14:26 batsnacks wrote:On June 18 2014 14:20 Chromatically wrote:
I'm really sorry again that I can only drop a few posts before leaving, but it's really late for me and I this is my only opportunity for this right now. Leave questions for me if you have them and I can probably get them tomorrow morning. I'll make sure to step it up when I can. Why sandroba and not mattisfoolish? I think sandroba's promising contribution and then not delivering is worse than MF's limited contribution. Assuming he votes so that he doesn't get modkilled: sandroba gets back from his absence, says specifically that he'll look at the D1 votes and put something up, but then doesn't do anything until just before deadline? But since he hasn't posted anything since then, he probably is a modkill, so I'm down with a MF lynch. ##Unvote##Vote: mattisfoolish
So suppose for the sake of argument sandroba is actually town and remembers the game an hour or two before deadline. He comes in and realizes if he doesn't vote he gets modkilled, and if he does we lynch him tomorrow. Would it be a "strategic modkill" and thus cheating if he just continues not posting and gets modkilled?
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On June 19 2014 05:31 Rainbows wrote:
Beginning of D3 SnB was doing a bunch of useless 'random filter reads'. That kind of makes me want to lynch him.
Would you have preferred nothing? That's your other optikn
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On June 19 2014 06:02 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 05:55 strongandbig wrote:On June 19 2014 05:31 Rainbows wrote:
Beginning of D3 SnB was doing a bunch of useless 'random filter reads'. That kind of makes me want to lynch him. Would you have preferred nothing? That's your other optikn They were so arbitrary that it didn't seem like you were doing it because you were developing your reads as town, but just trying to get reads into the thread to say you have some.
I was trying to give people some thought process to read. it seemed like the best thing i could do in that amount of time.
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On June 19 2014 11:25 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 11:19 sinani206 wrote:On June 19 2014 10:56 batsnacks wrote:
Everyone should just vote their biggest town read tomorrow. Obviously what we've been doing isn't working we need to change it up. you seem pretty intent on getting marv killed yet you've never actually said what your problem with him is Because I think it would be fun. That's my motivation for everything.
Lets kill bats backs tomorrow
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Ok I have like 20 minutes what should I do
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Point: NKs make more sense if there's active scum (esp. Yamato, bill great, etc)
Point: presumably Marv will die at some point before endgame because the scum team is probably not retarded.
Point: it will be a lot easier to lynch the active scum if Marv is still alive to help push than if he's not
Conclusion: Marv please focus on active players and figure out which are scum.
Next: list of players by activity (filter length):
- Marv (28)
- holy (22)
- round (19)
- bunnies (9 in half the days)
- obi (12)
- alakazam (10)
- bar snacks (9)
- chrom (8)
- rainbows (7)
- tica (6)
- va (4)
- sinani (4)
- exo (3)
- cr (3)
- me (3)
- ketomi (3)
- ritocky (2)
Recent NKs:
- jat (19, possible attempt to bluesnipe?)
- Yamato (8)
- koshi (13, blue)
- poof (12)
Notes:
(1) holy flare is capable of 20+ page filters as scum, he has done that in the past in some of his games on the db
(2) Marv has posted as much as the bottom 8 players combined
Conclusions:
(1) after n1, scum has not been killing inactive players. They just haven't been killing the three most active players. They have killed all of the next three most active players after the top three.
(2) my analysis - scum isn't killing Marv because (a) fear of protection and (b) he's not a threat because he hasn't called most of them out yet. Of the other two, at least one is likely to be scum.
(3) anyone whose only scum reads are sinani and below are lazy mofos, but anyone whose only sum reads are sinani and below AND who claim to have the game figured out and to be active players are likely scum.
- conclusion: round abound is likely scum.
Actually wait fuck none of the three of them have discernible scum reads on people who aren't sinani and below, at least not that are mentioned in their last several pages. This is another reason I hate the spammy reactive style, makes it impossible to figure anything out
I still think at least one of holy and round has to be scum. as far as I can tell the have both gone the lazy route of scumreading and pushing only the less active players but I feel like it's more likely round is scum based on nothing but a gut read.
One other thing - right now I don't think we should lynch captain ray. Like I said when I read his filter yesterday, there are some things I don't like but I am not sure he's scum. Can someone put together a case I can read that explains reasons we are voting him? I have to go to work now and don't have time to dig through the last like twelve pages for the reasons.
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Ps that activity list was annoying as balls to put together on my phone
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On June 21 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote:
SnB,
That may be the laziest, most convoluted scumhunting I've EVER seen. That's not even a case against anyone. That's just a terrible assumption based off of people's laziness?
I don't understand how anyone can actually believe that people who are trying to solve the game are scum.
Like, you're sincere in your belief that if I were to sit here and not post and not give reads, I would be town? Are you out of your fucking mind? The reason that people who haven't posted a lot are scum is because they're not giving reads. it's because they're not doing anything to try to solve the game. Yourself included! Get outta here with your shitty ass illogical bullshit.
No I'm saying that you (or holy flare or both) are scum because you have no scum reads among anyone who's been posting more than sinani. You're just rolling with a dressed up form of "low post = scum" when it's been clearly proven wrong already this game.
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On June 21 2014 02:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 02:29 strongandbig wrote:On June 21 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote:
SnB,
That may be the laziest, most convoluted scumhunting I've EVER seen. That's not even a case against anyone. That's just a terrible assumption based off of people's laziness?
I don't understand how anyone can actually believe that people who are trying to solve the game are scum.
Like, you're sincere in your belief that if I were to sit here and not post and not give reads, I would be town? Are you out of your fucking mind? The reason that people who haven't posted a lot are scum is because they're not giving reads. it's because they're not doing anything to try to solve the game. Yourself included! Get outta here with your shitty ass illogical bullshit. No I'm saying that you (or holy flare or both) are scum because you have no scum reads among anyone who's been posting more than sinani. You're just rolling with a dressed up form of "low post = scum" when it's been clearly proven wrong already this game. why bother making stuff up? I clearly made a lot of cases each night thinking i would die on people that weren't just lurkers and when half the game is classified as lurkers it's kind of hard not to total cop out especially when you just go ahead and assume the mafia nk intentions like that
How am I supposed to find them you have like 23 pages
There is none of that in like the last threeish pages of your filter.
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On June 21 2014 02:59 marvellosity wrote:
generally speaking several people have pushed the fallacious argument "several lurkers have flipped town, so pushing lurkers is shown to be bad". Not a good argument. Realistically a much higher proportion of lurkers are going to be mafia now that we cleared out a bunch of town lurkers :/
The point is that if you're assuming a connection between activity and townieness you are wrong.
Anyway what about my argument that (a) there must be more active mafias, and (b) it'll be easier to get them lynched if you are still alive to herd townies
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On June 21 2014 04:25 Rainbows wrote:
SnB is scummy for defending these people regardless of what they flip.
Derp
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On June 21 2014 03:13 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 02:59 marvellosity wrote:
generally speaking several people have pushed the fallacious argument "several lurkers have flipped town, so pushing lurkers is shown to be bad". Not a good argument. Realistically a much higher proportion of lurkers are going to be mafia now that we cleared out a bunch of town lurkers :/ Other people have thrown it out there and then backed up off of it. I don't recall SnB mentioning it before, and now he is building "a case" against people because of it. In fact, this is the only contribution he's had ALL GAME. Not only that, but he is probably just trying to piggy back the concept from the people who have posted about it previously, tryna re-inseminate the idea into peoples' minds..
I'll inseminate your mind
Physically
With my genitals
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12 out of 30 players in this game have less than a page of filter per game phase. are they all lurkers?
i really think there needs to be some adjustment of how much shit you guys expect us to wade through.
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On June 21 2014 05:50 marvellosity wrote:
no role is ever worth not lynching mafia.
christ on a bike.
what is christ doing on the bikx
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On June 21 2014 06:00 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 21 2014 05:57 marvellosity wrote:
there is no pretence or charade, the claim is highly likely to be true barring another alignment cop claim, and we have a redcheck.
Fin. the charade is we dont know who the hell hte red check is on still because this guy is being a twat. although i am also leaning nb because that would make a hell of a lot of sense that one of the mafia was afk day 1 as they seemed to be in shambles i like my red checks with a side of information, why don't you?
this is dumb
how does not revealing the check give anyone information
the people you are checking know their own alignment you're not going to catch them in a lie
the scum player's teammates also know what alignment both players you've mentioned are
also i thought that when marv voted it meant that the check target was revealed, but whatever i can change my vote later if needed
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