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roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 22 2014 00:44 GMT
#5345
Ripperino me. Or JK me. Or medic save me. Or wifom and don't. IDK what the right strat is but yeah. What Rainbows said.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 22 2014 00:45 GMT
#5346
Will not reveal what he and the other person claimed to me as their role, but I made it pretty obvious who the other person was and I told the other person what rainbows claimed, just in case he decides to fake it later.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 22 2014 00:50 GMT
#5348
On June 22 2014 09:47 Holyflare wrote:
Why would you claim and let tracker potentially die??

huh?
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 22 2014 00:55 GMT
#5350
What did you want me to do? I just came back to the computer from watching the matches and I saw rainbows' post so I just confirmed that it's true.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 13:50 GMT
#5539
This blows. Just saw the nightkills results. That means they either have a vigi or 501st sgt just used his shot. Unless another town vigi wants to claim the shot on exo.

Town roles we know:

plammar: mason
koshi: vigi
Rainbows: mason
Marv: role cop
exo: medic
Chrom: tracker

That leaves 2 more. Will catch up with the thread now to see what else happened.

I don't know how explicit what me and rainbows were doing in the thread was, but it's probably more likely that an experienced mafia picked up on the role swap...unless everyone says that it was blatantly obvious.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 13:51 GMT
#5540
On June 23 2014 05:09 sinani206 wrote:
I'm the tracker.
Chrom visited rainbows.

##Vote: chromatically

If you are tracker, you should have waited for rainbows to claim who he visited in case he was fake.

this makes 7 blues
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 13:55 GMT
#5541
The points on pg 271 make a lot of sense. No reason to doubt sinani's claim. That would be a REALLY REALLY difficult guess.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 14:26 GMT
#5547
On June 23 2014 23:24 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 22:50 roundabound wrote:
This blows. Just saw the nightkills results. That means they either have a vigi or 501st sgt just used his shot. Unless another town vigi wants to claim the shot on exo.

Town roles we know:

plammar: mason
koshi: vigi
Rainbows: mason
Marv: role cop
exo: medic
Chrom: tracker

That leaves 2 more. Will catch up with the thread now to see what else happened.

I don't know how explicit what me and rainbows were doing in the thread was, but it's probably more likely that an experienced mafia picked up on the role swap...unless everyone says that it was blatantly obvious.


Why is rainbows' claim that you are mason not on this list

Cause I'm not mason.
We discussed role swapping as a possibility in our QT and on multiple occasions we discussed it in the thread. He said something along the lines of swapping minds or stepping in his shoes and "i think it's time" and then he claimed that I'm mason.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 14:26 GMT
#5548
On June 23 2014 23:19 strongandbig wrote:
Wait nvm exo never actually claimed medic like round said be did

exo is dead medic?
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 14:33 GMT
#5551
On June 23 2014 23:29 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 23:26 roundabound wrote:
On June 23 2014 23:24 strongandbig wrote:
On June 23 2014 22:50 roundabound wrote:
This blows. Just saw the nightkills results. That means they either have a vigi or 501st sgt just used his shot. Unless another town vigi wants to claim the shot on exo.

Town roles we know:

plammar: mason
koshi: vigi
Rainbows: mason
Marv: role cop
exo: medic
Chrom: tracker

That leaves 2 more. Will catch up with the thread now to see what else happened.

I don't know how explicit what me and rainbows were doing in the thread was, but it's probably more likely that an experienced mafia picked up on the role swap...unless everyone says that it was blatantly obvious.


Why is rainbows' claim that you are mason not on this list

Cause I'm not mason.
We discussed role swapping as a possibility in our QT and on multiple occasions we discussed it in the thread. He said something along the lines of swapping minds or stepping in his shoes and "i think it's time" and then he claimed that I'm mason.


Oh.

So when he said you are "100% town" he meant based on his reads not on roles?

he was softing that he could confirm me based off of the fact that we were setting up a role swap in which i claim mason and he claims VT.

The only problem is that he blew his load too early and I think made it too obvious what we were doing instead of waiting for today when we were set to mass-claim.

Updating:

1-plammar: mason
2-koshi: vigi
3-Rainbows: mason
4-Marv: role cop
5-exo: medic
6-Chrom: tracker
7-sinani: tracker
8-slam: vet
9-unknown: jk

so 6,7, or 8 is a lie. Sinani is most likely tracker based off of the fact that chrom confirmed the visit to rainbows.

so one of chrom or slam is lying....or marv was lying about being jk'd in the hopes of getting extra checks (highly unlikely).

Not sure if we should lynch out of the two of them or lynch into the VTs.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 14:36 GMT
#5553
On June 23 2014 23:35 strongandbig wrote:
Unless one of them is actually the jailkeeper and is fakeclaiming a different blue role to fuck with us, which would be retarded but believable given previous fakeclaims in this game...

I didn't consider this, but yeah. that's also fathomable.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 15:17 GMT
#5557
ObiWanShinobi - VT
ritoky - VT
Erandorr replaced by 27ninjabunnies - VT
Chairman Ray - VT
roundabound (Mocsta/IAmRobik Hydra) - VT
strongandbig - VT
Holyflare - VT
batsnacks - VT
VayneAuthority - VT



Chromatically - TRACKER
sinani206 - TRACKER
Alakaslam - VET


1 of the VTs will be claiming JK (i'm assuming at some point). There are 9VTs and 4 mafia within them and 1 blue. There are 3 blue claims with 1 mafia within them.
I think that it is unlikely that sinani is fake, leaving slam or chrom. I don't see motivation for EITHER OF THEM to fake claim. So unless there is no JK (unlikely) or one of them is actually JK (maybe?), we are 50-50 to hit mafia here
If we lynch out of VTs (i'm pretty sure that most people have me as town by this point either way), we also have a 50-50 chance to lynch scum. Not sure what our best avenue is, but I'm leaning towards lynching out of VT because mislynching a blue would be way more catastrophic.


from town to scum (out of VTs):
roundabound
Holyflare - VT
ObiWanShinobi - VT
Erandorr replaced by 27ninjabunnies - VT

batsnacks - VT
strongandbig - VT
VayneAuthority - VT

Chairman Ray - VT
ritoky - VT

I will say that if we have a JK and the JK is not Slam (that's the only one out of the claimed blues that would make a smidgen of sense), then I am pretty sure who it is and will be highly skeptical of anyone but that persons claim.


This list might be completely fucked though cause of the night kills...just how i'm reading the game at this point.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 15:44 GMT
#5560
If slam is JK, then you and chrom could both be trackers and all 3 of you could be town.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 16:41 GMT
#5564
SnB, that world involved Bunnies being scum, and I don't live in that world.
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 17:34 GMT
#5576
On June 23 2014 23:45 strongandbig wrote:
Ok suppose chrom is town tracker and sinani is scum - the only way sinani guesses correctly who chrom visited is by random chance. He knows chrom was tracker so he would visit someone, but there was a very small chance he guesses correctly given that there's more than ten players still left. I'm comfortable saying sinani is actually tracker.

Then for chrom to have visited rainbows, he either would have to be actual tracker, or sergeant using his KP or roleblock.

The thing is, if chrome's scum why would be claim miller to the ritocky check? He would know that ritocky is fakeclaiming but why give up the green check? Answer: he would do this if ninja bunnies was also scum. He would have to do it, otherwise we lynch bunnies, get a red result, then ritocky reveals the fakeclaim and chrom doesn't even get the green check.

This makes way more sense as a justification for a fakeclaim than what slam did btw. In a game with a known number of blue roles, there's literally no reason for slam to fakeclaim when he did.

So we have a 50-50 chance of hitting mafia between slam and chrom, and I think there was way more scum motivation for chrom's fakeclaim than for slam's.

##vote: chromatically

Lol...
If you believe Sinani, then chrome is worth a vote, & so is Bunnies.

Ironically,
if you believe Sinani -- which you do.... then Bunnies is not worth a vote.

~moc
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 18:19 GMT
#5582
On June 24 2014 02:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:
roundabound- VT/ mason switch claim (Very odd that rainbows dies the night that their "switch" happened)
Holyflare - VT

ObiWanShinobi - VT
Erandorr replaced by 27ninjabunnies - VT
SLAM- Vet?

batsnacks - VT
strongandbig - VT
VayneAuthority - VT
Sinani-Tracker
Chairman Ray - VT
ritoky - VT
Chrom- tracker

So until we get a JK claim, I'm refusing to believe we have a JK. Marv could have easily faked getting jailed to get more checks. Why he didn't out his checks if there is no jk, well thats another question.

So above I bolded green who we should not lynch today. The rest are up for grabs.
Even though I am super SUPER paranoid that round is mafia this game, for the fact alone that rainbows died the same night he claimed that round was mason, was super weird, I'm willing to leave him alone for another day.

Holyflare has been trying to figure this out and not solely complaining on how this game has gone to shit.

I am town, and I'm not lynching the last 3 blue claims unless we get counterclaims.

So that leaves 6 people left to lynch out of, and 5 are mafia from my perspective.

Omg, guess who are in those 6?! PEOPLE IVE BEEN ON ALL GAME!

Seriously, I should be listened to more.

I got masoned n2. I would have killed him then instead of the 10+ VTs that were killed instead. -.-
Plus, I told him to mason marv the next day and checked with the mod multiple times to make sure that the mason would go through in case marv was jk'd or rb'd (i expressed this in thread as well).
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 19:08 GMT
#5587
On June 24 2014 04:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 04:00 strongandbig wrote:
On June 24 2014 02:34 roundabound wrote:
On June 23 2014 23:45 strongandbig wrote:
Ok suppose chrom is town tracker and sinani is scum - the only way sinani guesses correctly who chrom visited is by random chance. He knows chrom was tracker so he would visit someone, but there was a very small chance he guesses correctly given that there's more than ten players still left. I'm comfortable saying sinani is actually tracker.

Then for chrom to have visited rainbows, he either would have to be actual tracker, or sergeant using his KP or roleblock.

The thing is, if chrome's scum why would be claim miller to the ritocky check? He would know that ritocky is fakeclaiming but why give up the green check? Answer: he would do this if ninja bunnies was also scum. He would have to do it, otherwise we lynch bunnies, get a red result, then ritocky reveals the fakeclaim and chrom doesn't even get the green check.

This makes way more sense as a justification for a fakeclaim than what slam did btw. In a game with a known number of blue roles, there's literally no reason for slam to fakeclaim when he did.

So we have a 50-50 chance of hitting mafia between slam and chrom, and I think there was way more scum motivation for chrom's fakeclaim than for slam's.

##vote: chromatically

Lol...
If you believe Sinani, then chrome is worth a vote, & so is Bunnies.

Ironically,
if you believe Sinani -- which you do.... then Bunnies is not worth a vote.

~moc

why? tracking someone doesn't clear them, kp can't be tracked


go vote bunnies and stop voting in the blue claims.

Why you no wanna kill confirmed maf ritoky?
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 19:11 GMT
#5588
On June 24 2014 04:00 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 02:34 roundabound wrote:
On June 23 2014 23:45 strongandbig wrote:
Ok suppose chrom is town tracker and sinani is scum - the only way sinani guesses correctly who chrom visited is by random chance. He knows chrom was tracker so he would visit someone, but there was a very small chance he guesses correctly given that there's more than ten players still left. I'm comfortable saying sinani is actually tracker.

Then for chrom to have visited rainbows, he either would have to be actual tracker, or sergeant using his KP or roleblock.

The thing is, if chrome's scum why would be claim miller to the ritocky check? He would know that ritocky is fakeclaiming but why give up the green check? Answer: he would do this if ninja bunnies was also scum. He would have to do it, otherwise we lynch bunnies, get a red result, then ritocky reveals the fakeclaim and chrom doesn't even get the green check.

This makes way more sense as a justification for a fakeclaim than what slam did btw. In a game with a known number of blue roles, there's literally no reason for slam to fakeclaim when he did.

So we have a 50-50 chance of hitting mafia between slam and chrom, and I think there was way more scum motivation for chrom's fakeclaim than for slam's.

##vote: chromatically

Lol...
If you believe Sinani, then chrome is worth a vote, & so is Bunnies.

Ironically,
if you believe Sinani -- which you do.... then Bunnies is not worth a vote.

~moc

why? tracking someone doesn't clear them, kp can't be tracked

Heres the funny thing though SnB.

Whether Chrome *IS* or *IS NOT* scum leads to Bunnies being scum in your world.

Why hinge the vote on Chrom, and not default to Bunnies??

Given this is potentially MYLO, the play mind-boggles me.

It does not matter whether Chrom is, or is not a blue.
What does matter is *hitting* scum.
A 50/50 on Chrom is not the smart play for town according to your logic.

~moc
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 19:14 GMT
#5590
On June 24 2014 04:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 04:08 roundabound wrote:
On June 24 2014 04:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On June 24 2014 04:00 strongandbig wrote:
On June 24 2014 02:34 roundabound wrote:
On June 23 2014 23:45 strongandbig wrote:
Ok suppose chrom is town tracker and sinani is scum - the only way sinani guesses correctly who chrom visited is by random chance. He knows chrom was tracker so he would visit someone, but there was a very small chance he guesses correctly given that there's more than ten players still left. I'm comfortable saying sinani is actually tracker.

Then for chrom to have visited rainbows, he either would have to be actual tracker, or sergeant using his KP or roleblock.

The thing is, if chrome's scum why would be claim miller to the ritocky check? He would know that ritocky is fakeclaiming but why give up the green check? Answer: he would do this if ninja bunnies was also scum. He would have to do it, otherwise we lynch bunnies, get a red result, then ritocky reveals the fakeclaim and chrom doesn't even get the green check.

This makes way more sense as a justification for a fakeclaim than what slam did btw. In a game with a known number of blue roles, there's literally no reason for slam to fakeclaim when he did.

So we have a 50-50 chance of hitting mafia between slam and chrom, and I think there was way more scum motivation for chrom's fakeclaim than for slam's.

##vote: chromatically

Lol...
If you believe Sinani, then chrome is worth a vote, & so is Bunnies.

Ironically,
if you believe Sinani -- which you do.... then Bunnies is not worth a vote.

~moc

why? tracking someone doesn't clear them, kp can't be tracked


go vote bunnies and stop voting in the blue claims.

Why you no wanna kill confirmed maf ritoky?


when was he confirmed? i didnt see anything that confirmed him.

Step 1: claim cop
Step 2: get fucked
Step 3: claim vt
Step 4: AtM (ass-to-mouth...i'm gonna use this to refer to AtE from now on)
Step 5: AFK

AKA Scum claim
Mocsta & IAmRobik hydra
roundabound
Profile Joined February 2014
Niue881 Posts
June 23 2014 19:23 GMT
#5592
As far as I know, what you're saying is wrong. He usually calls bunnies mafia and pushes that read strongly. He has never claimed cop as VT.
I refuse to take CR's word for anything cause he's a scum read of mine
ignoring that, the reason those things are alignment indicative is that VT has no reason to make the play the way he did, whereas there are reasons to make the play as mafia.

Ritokys maf team would be something like: CR, SnB, Batsnacks? VA? Slam?
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