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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 15 2014 06:30 GMT
#2709
On June 15 2014 15:21 Holyflare wrote:
I like how ritoky spent paragraphs explaining a poofter read that I've said in one sentence. Anyway, ritoky, yyou're accusing chrom of being mafia for trying to save his mafia team mate cats from being lynched by pushing low hanging fruit. Why would he push you who has 0 votes instead of joining the snb wagon and pushing that or the kush wagon and pushing that. Unless of course you think all 4 are mafia.


you obv haven't read the previous stuff. it's just 1 more straw on the already large pile that i have already made.

also funny how you made the read after me though. JUST SAYIN.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 15 2014 06:50 GMT
#2721
why did you choose to leave VayneAuthority off of your list? especially since it is focused on inactives/unproductives?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 15 2014 06:52 GMT
#2726
On June 15 2014 15:51 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2014 15:50 ritoky wrote:
why did you choose to leave VayneAuthority off of your list? especially since it is focused on inactives/unproductives?


VA for him actually played today he moved off my scum list too.


never played with him, but what do you think of his vote on me in the vote thread without posting anything about it or a reason in the thread?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 15 2014 06:58 GMT
#2732
On June 15 2014 15:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2014 15:52 ritoky wrote:
On June 15 2014 15:51 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 15 2014 15:50 ritoky wrote:
why did you choose to leave VayneAuthority off of your list? especially since it is focused on inactives/unproductives?


VA for him actually played today he moved off my scum list too.


never played with him, but what do you think of his vote on me in the vote thread without posting anything about it or a reason in the thread?


Didn't see that. When did it happen?


3 hrs ago i think?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 16 2014 04:32 GMT
#3458
Doing some random vote analysis real quick for everyone before I give out some reads and stuff:

Those who voted to lynch mafia d1: TheKingOfTheCats (11): marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, ObiWanShinobi, Koshi, strongandbig, VayneAuthority, Bill Murray, sinani206, Chromatically, Tehpoofter

Those who voted to lynch town d2: HaruRH (7): Rainbows, Chromatically, TicaTica, Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, mattisfoolish

People who lynched mafia yesterday that voted on confirmed town: - 4 - marvellosity, Chromatically, justanothertownie, Koshi

Where the rest of the people who lynched confirmed mafia voted:
- Yamato77 - 2 - ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter
- Dead - 2 - Palmar, Bill Murray
- DNV - strongandbig
- ritoky - 1 - Vayneauthority
- Ketomai - 1 - sinani206

Where the rest of the people who lynched town today voted yesterday

- Rainbows - strongandbig
- TicaTica - ketomai
- mattisfoolish - Meapak_Ziphh

People who have voted on the 2nd largest wagon both times: - 1 - Alakaslam

People who have never voted on one of the 2 largest wagons:

- ritoky - Chromatically, Chromatically
- yamato77 - VayneAuthority, kushm4sta
- sandroba - ExO_, DNV
- gumshoe - Chairman Ray, DNV

Will hopefully post some interpretation of some of this in my reads coming soon.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 16 2014 19:48 GMT
#3658
Well I promised reads, then I fell asleep. So here they are, as much as I can fit in before I have to go:

Top town circle: Koshi, JAT, Marv

Other town peoples: ExO_, TicaTica, roundabound

The tri-fecta or weird feelings: Holyflare, Tehpoofter, VayneAuthority - These three (Holyflare the least of the 3) are fence leaning scum for me based on a couple of things; the first being a very odd interaction in the game. Holyflare begins to make a list of mostly unproductive/inactive people that he wants to lynch, which isn't out of character for him. Although in cell mafia he was yelling at inactives and criticizing people a lot more for lack of reading comprehension, so there's something to be said for that. Anyways, Holyflare posts this:

On June 15 2014 15:39 Holyflare wrote:
Look, we vote sandroba because not playing the game is his mafia meta. We vote kush because he's actually playing his mafia game. We look at poofters play in the last bit of today because he is playing to his mafia meta atm. We can look at gumshoe because he really isn't doing anything and his posts have been contentless and not driven to solving things but rather just agreeing with people that something looks weird. We probably push snb because his posts are non posts and he's afking the day pretty much too, his flip would also give loads of info.

The people making these long tunnel cases chrom, rainbiws, haru etc etc are most probably town and they're all so tunneled they are ignoring the actual people doing scummy things


To which I point out, if he is making that list then why did he omit VayneAuthority:

On June 15 2014 15:51 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2014 15:50 ritoky wrote:
why did you choose to leave VayneAuthority off of your list? especially since it is focused on inactives/unproductives?


Because he's done nothing and slipped my mind? I also don't know him well enough to say an alignment.


And to be fair, I could very easily believe that which is why I feel this interaction is the least weird for Holy, although he is far less critical than the last time when he was town in cell. However now we get to the strange part. VA comes back to the thread because there is a slight bit of discussion about him and posts this:

On June 15 2014 15:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
i got a teamliquid message that people are mentioning my name in this thread, what the hell guys you woke up my alarm i was sleeping fuckin teamliquidz


Then doesn't address a single thing and just leaves again, which gave me very strange feelings about him; but it was really set off when this happened.

On June 16 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
VA - Tried today a little bit seems to care at least moderately about the game and isn't just randomly throwing his vote on someone and afking for 48 hrs.


This read is bullshit to me. 1st, I don't see where the hell VA tried at all today; and I also don't see the level of caring. This is a forced read with very little justification to me. And I had a meta read on you yesterday as being "wolfy"; and this read just made me begin to trust that read a little more. I wouldn't be surprised if banks and VA are wolves together in the slightest.

No bueno people
- Chairman Ray - His votes don't line up with his play. He said he had a case on roundabound and Haru, yet he didn't really push those cases at all. He doesn't really seem to be hunting scum, and I read a lot of his posts as very passive.
- Sinani - Was active, then got criticized for his play and got called scum and as a result has responded with shallow posts and inactivity. Makes me believe he is trying to hide. At one point I forgot he was even in the game.
- Ketomai - I read a lot of his posts as summarizing, recaping, and saying a lot of non-committal information. Seems be going out of his way to remain Switzerland-like.

Kill him with fire: Chromatically - Tried that push to save his scum buddy, all of the stuff I listed earlier; he hasn't really done anything to redeem himself in my eyes at all. He shoulda died so long ago it's not even funny.

This is all I can do for now, as I have to go to work. I wanted to give reasons for town reads, but alas no time. If I am alive after the flip I will.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 16 2014 20:02 GMT
#3676
On my way out the door now, so I can't really answer all of your questions very in depth.

Is it out-dated/pre-written? I don't think a scummy act is ever outdated. People can do redeeming things, but a scum act is a scum act. Pre-written, no.

Why do I read JAT town? Has to do with the voting block of 4 that voted on both lynches, and the timing of their votes in the voting order. Also his posts are pretty towny.

On June 17 2014 04:56 roundabound wrote:
Ritoky, why are you building a stronger "case" against your null leaning scum reads than against your no bueno people/kill him with fire?


Well the kill him with fire case I have been posting about nonstop for days, so I figure its just repetition, the no bueno cases are a lack of time. The leaning scum reads are on the up and up for me and could easily be firm scum reads by tomorrow. Also no one else has really made them yet, so I figured I would explain.

Now I really have to go, gonna be late.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2014 18:35 GMT
#4206
On June 19 2014 03:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I think ritoky is prob more maf than MIF is, tho im down with both.

MIF atleast has given thoughts, even if they show up at moments they are being pressured.

I would like you to prove this with examples. And I want you to tell me your opinion on those thoughts.


Do you know how hard that is from a phone.

Read ritokys filter- its like 2 pages. He has a argument with another player- and then gives two posts of reads and afks again

MIF, well he questions and talks about more people imo, though im not impressed with the fact my questions still havent been answered


what questions?

marv/JAT who should i vote on? MiF?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2014 18:46 GMT
#4210
On June 19 2014 03:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 03:35 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I think ritoky is prob more maf than MIF is, tho im down with both.

MIF atleast has given thoughts, even if they show up at moments they are being pressured.

I would like you to prove this with examples. And I want you to tell me your opinion on those thoughts.


Do you know how hard that is from a phone.

Read ritokys filter- its like 2 pages. He has a argument with another player- and then gives two posts of reads and afks again

MIF, well he questions and talks about more people imo, though im not impressed with the fact my questions still havent been answered


what questions?

marv/JAT who should i vote on? MiF?


Questions i directed to MIF.

Also, why not make your own decision?

Weird you show up now.


i looked through your filter for the questions, didn't find them. mostly found you trying to push a meta case w/ no evidence.

on an unrelated note, you could very well be mafia. played 3 games with you, 2 you were town, 1 you were mafia. In the town games you post with conviction and use definitive sentences. in the wolf game you did a lot of "I don't know how i feel about x" or "He could be x or x". you been doin that this game.

anywayz, not making my own decision because my decision is vote chrom until he is dead 8x. no1 else wants to, and that is very frustrating. so i am going to sheep the people who i read as certainly town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2014 18:54 GMT
#4217
On June 19 2014 03:53 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 03:35 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I think ritoky is prob more maf than MIF is, tho im down with both.

MIF atleast has given thoughts, even if they show up at moments they are being pressured.

I would like you to prove this with examples. And I want you to tell me your opinion on those thoughts.


Do you know how hard that is from a phone.

Read ritokys filter- its like 2 pages. He has a argument with another player- and then gives two posts of reads and afks again

MIF, well he questions and talks about more people imo, though im not impressed with the fact my questions still havent been answered


what questions?

marv/JAT who should i vote on? MiF?

Are you caught up with the thread?


nope, not enough time before deadline to read 27 pages or so
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2014 18:55 GMT
#4219
On June 19 2014 03:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 03:46 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:35 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I think ritoky is prob more maf than MIF is, tho im down with both.

MIF atleast has given thoughts, even if they show up at moments they are being pressured.

I would like you to prove this with examples. And I want you to tell me your opinion on those thoughts.


Do you know how hard that is from a phone.

Read ritokys filter- its like 2 pages. He has a argument with another player- and then gives two posts of reads and afks again

MIF, well he questions and talks about more people imo, though im not impressed with the fact my questions still havent been answered


what questions?

marv/JAT who should i vote on? MiF?


Questions i directed to MIF.

Also, why not make your own decision?

Weird you show up now.


i looked through your filter for the questions, didn't find them. mostly found you trying to push a meta case w/ no evidence.

on an unrelated note, you could very well be mafia. played 3 games with you, 2 you were town, 1 you were mafia. In the town games you post with conviction and use definitive sentences. in the wolf game you did a lot of "I don't know how i feel about x" or "He could be x or x". you been doin that this game.

anywayz, not making my own decision because my decision is vote chrom until he is dead 8x. no1 else wants to, and that is very frustrating. so i am going to sheep the people who i read as certainly town.


Ive used definitive sentences this game. I think you are mafia. I also have CR, batsnacks, MIF, Sand, and gumshoe on y radar, as well as holyflare.

My case isnt huge on you, i know, but i cant really make a big case from my phone right now, so im putting out thoughts as i see them.

Also, how is anyone going to vote chrom when youre not even here to push the case on him, and he has done a bit more than you have.

You are mafia, end of story


you are wrong, end of story.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2014 19:00 GMT
#4225
On June 19 2014 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 03:54 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:53 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:35 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 19 2014 03:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I think ritoky is prob more maf than MIF is, tho im down with both.

MIF atleast has given thoughts, even if they show up at moments they are being pressured.

I would like you to prove this with examples. And I want you to tell me your opinion on those thoughts.


Do you know how hard that is from a phone.

Read ritokys filter- its like 2 pages. He has a argument with another player- and then gives two posts of reads and afks again

MIF, well he questions and talks about more people imo, though im not impressed with the fact my questions still havent been answered


what questions?

marv/JAT who should i vote on? MiF?

Are you caught up with the thread?


nope, not enough time before deadline to read 27 pages or so

Well, I think you are able to figure out who marv and me are voting. I won't tell you to vote someone else. Your call if you think this is the correct lynch.


so are you telling me that you're not certain enough on it to say to me with any conviction it is the right lynch and i should be on board?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2014 19:13 GMT
#4244
burn
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2014 20:40 GMT
#4388
On June 19 2014 05:37 roundabound wrote:
Is someone about to call me mafia for trying to figure out the game? Is this real life? Is that even a real thing?


i am just going to say this much:

people, including you have been pushing hard on lurkers. 3 lurkers just died, all vt. after it flips, the majority of the next targets posted by people thus far are more lurkers.

you might want to re-assess your stances on a lot of the people you just cleared.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2014 20:41 GMT
#4389
nvm you didn't clear them, you quoted some1 clearing them. mb
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2014 20:44 GMT
#4396
On June 19 2014 05:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 05:40 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2014 05:37 roundabound wrote:
Is someone about to call me mafia for trying to figure out the game? Is this real life? Is that even a real thing?


i am just going to say this much:

people, including you have been pushing hard on lurkers. 3 lurkers just died, all vt. after it flips, the majority of the next targets posted by people thus far are more lurkers.

you might want to re-assess your stances on a lot of the people you just cleared.

do you think it's likely all lurkers are town?


no, but they are coin flips for the most part imo. as you said, we need 2 sure lynches in a row now. so perhaps we shouldn't bet on coin flips. especially when there's obvious mafia like chrom about.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2014 20:58 GMT
#4404
On June 19 2014 05:57 Rainbows wrote:
round you are getting shot tonight.


you shooting him?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 20 2014 20:05 GMT
#4768
hey, how's every1 doing?

i just made a lot of money thanks to costa rica :D
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 20 2014 20:13 GMT
#4770
On June 21 2014 05:09 Chromatically wrote:
FINALLY FREE


how would you feel if i told you that you were town?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 20 2014 20:16 GMT
#4772
On June 21 2014 05:14 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 05:13 ritoky wrote:
On June 21 2014 05:09 Chromatically wrote:
FINALLY FREE


how would you feel if i told you that you were town?

I would feel very confused and would require an explanation.


how would you feel if i told you that i tunneled you cuz i town read you day 1 and wanted us both to stay alive?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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