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On July 03 2014 08:44 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 07:44 Epishade wrote:
If somebody is jailed AND roleblocked, do they still receive a roleblock PM, or does the jail override that and they only receive a jailed PM? A little flavor solves this question. When someone is jailed, they are in a secure cell. There is no reason for Sulu to do anything, and scum cannot reach the jailed individual without neutralizing Scotty first somehow.
Therefore, since any roleblocks would not go through, why would the jailed individual be notified of experiencing a roleblock?
Maybe the person jailed would like to know if he had any visitors lol.
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I think it would be better to claim only if necessary. We still have 1 more potential night that jailer might be useful, unless he prevents tonight's shot. No use in him claiming just yet.
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Oh yeah? If he claims after night actions, then mafia knows who he is. There's only a few of us left now, but I don't think we're going to mislynch jailer tomorrow. You're up on the chopping block, and Haruhi might be too. Haruhi's already claimed cop, so unless you're jailer, jailer should remain anonymous.
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I'm a little doubtful of vigi at this point. I kind of assumed there might not be a vigi in this game, and there's been nothing to suspect it. Vigi missing a shot would instantly lose us the game, but if there IS a vigi in this game, and you're willing to take the shot, shoot Haruhi tonight. There's no way we'd get a cop, vigi, AND a jailer in this game. Haruhi's also done a LOT of very bad moves this game to warrant enough suspicion on her.
Mason pair can claim if there is one too. I can't see any problem with that happening, though I'm not sure I'd be so quick to believe it wasn't the two mafia claiming.
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Sorry, that's assuming there's 2 mafia left. If there's 1 mafia left, he can misshoot and we'll be ok for another lynch.
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Ok, I've done this before but, assuming I'm dead tomorrow, I wanted to say this right before night ended. GlowBear's listed some reasons for why he thinks Haruhi is scum, and I have some more reasons, but I still think Poof is a better lynch right now to be on the safe side. I'm working with the assumption here that mafia wouldn't vote on themselves during a panic, which is what happened during the Teemursu lynch. Haruhi and Poof are the only ones that voted for me by then, and, since I don't want to lynch Haruhi in case of her claim being real, Poof is a much better lynch right now.
Also, if anybody was jailed last night. DON'T TELL ANYONE YET. If jailer has to claim (and I'm not telling him to do so), then him telling everyone who he jailed and that person confirming it is an extra step in the process in confirming the jailer, well, at least as much as possible anyways. This, assuming he wasn't roleblocked last night either. He better be able to explain every move he's made in the game so far too. Also hope that he didn't jail a mafia and that the mafia would lie to discredit the jailer and get him lynched instead. So take that into account if that happens.
I also think I know who the jailer is at this point. Most I'm going to say is that it's not Poof. Poof replaced Solar 424 in the game at day 2. Templar claimed to be jailed during Night 1. Solar hadn't posted by that point and so I'm fairly sure he wouldn't have jailed anybody during the first night. Templar wouldn't have claimed to be jailed the first night, without actually knowing if there was an actual jailer in the game who may have jailed someone else. Thus, Poof can't be jailer.
Sooo...lynch Poof is my first choice.
If the game continues after that, I'm thinking lynch Haruhi with a lot of filter-diving and research done on her. It seems improbable that with the amount of people playing that we'd only get 1 blue role, that being a jailer, but there are a lot of bad moves that Haruhi has made in this game, such as voting for me over Teemursu (mutliple times), not voting for Templar...at all! Her agreeing with Teemursu previous days against me, her telling jailer to jail her (an incredibly bad move if you are a cop, I honestly thought jailer would know better than to jail you. If she was scum, not only does this let her mafia partner shoot the gun without fear of being jailed, but it also lets her mafia partner shoot someone without fear of THEM being jailed), her day 1 vote analysis made little sense as she only focused on those that switched votes to MysteryMeat being scummy, her lack of defense for meatpudding after she claimed to have investigated him and received town, and there was something I remember happening on day 1, where after Token pushed on somebody (I forget who), Haruhi voted for him for scum-like behavior, and immediately retracted her vote after I pointed out that it was pretty much impossible to figure out scum on day 1 by that point. I read her as town for that because I didn't think a mafia would be so eager to push like that, but now I'm rethinking it.
If someone other than Haruhi turns out to be scum, then that means they messed up their voting on the night Teemursu was lynched, and could have won the game anyways. I had 3 votes against me at the time of the final lynch, and I'm believing that the other 2 people that voted for me in that lynch were scum. I can't see mtamburini continuously pushing for Templar instead of me if he were scum, as I was an easy mislynch at that point. Hobbit could have done the same, but voted for Templar too, Hell, the only reason this game is still going on is because Teemursu didn't come back in time to vote lol.
If mafia really did mess up their votes by accidentally not mislynching me (apart from Teemursu's poor timing) and Haruhi isn't scum, then I'd rather die than play in a game town would have lost. As such, if I'm still alive, those are my two targets in that order, Poof, and Haruhi. Hobbit would come third if I REALLY had to debate lynching Haruhi vs Hobbit. But that would mean Hobbit made a mistake by not voting for me (and voting for Templar instead), which I hope wasn't the case. I think, in a panic, Hobbit wouldn't be more likely to vote for scum if he were scum himself, too.
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Just saw this ended. Guess I was wrong on Poof, and I would have voted the wrong way if I were alive. Would have voted Haruhi next though.
Wait, you guys figured out there were no blues on Day 2 and just decided to claim being jailed anyways? That seems really risky.
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Although, now that I think about it, you guys all knew that none of you had abilities. I guess it's not too farfetched to think town wouldn't get any either after that. That's not as bad a move as I thought.
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On July 05 2014 14:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 14:40 Epishade wrote:
Although, now that I think about it, you guys all knew that none of you had abilities. I guess it's not too farfetched to think town wouldn't get any either after that. That's not as bad a move as I thought. Epi, check their QT. they've put a lot of thought on it.
Yeah, reading through it now.
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ROFL Templar
"God damn it, I mis-posted in the mafia thread instead of a TL+ thread and Epishade is jumping on me for overreacting to it. Might need a little help from one of you two to turn it against him."
Ahahaha.
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Also lol at Haruhi after claiming cop.
"Hey darthpunk, from a scale of 1 to screwed, how dcrewed are we "
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I couldn't have lasted as long without you!
All hail Blazingfist!
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