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On June 25 2014 19:21 Hobbitus wrote:
Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/
I hope that anyone who find teemu suspicious would actually read teemu's n1 'spam'. I'm willing to bet that most of you did not read it yet, thus the suspicions.
He replied to most suspicions about him and yet posted some crucial questions that I would like to see answered, such as questions for you, hobbitus, on the 4 options that MM was.
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On June 25 2014 19:57 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 19:21 Hobbitus wrote:
Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/ I hope that anyone who find teemu suspicious would actually read teemu's n1 'spam'. I'm willing to bet that most of you did not read it yet, thus the suspicions. He replied to most suspicions about him and yet posted some crucial questions that I would like to see answered, such as questions for you, hobbitus, on the 4 options that MM was.
Nevermind I think you're town
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I actually rescind about making a case on MeatPudding. I feel like I've gone against him the strongest, and I've had multiple posts where I've discussed with him/haven't voted on him.
If people aren't convinced by my push on him, then I'm going to divert my attention to someone else. We obviously haven't hit on mafia yet and there still are others alive who town would rather lynch.
I think Nydus actually might be mafia. His read on Epishade is very weak. I asked him to provide examples on Epishade and give reasoning on those examples (yes, in plural). So far the reason Nydus has called him top town is that he's been "objective" and that Epishade posts a wishy washy list of conditional scum/flip logic that doesn't really mean anything.
Only because people have pushed on someone, and that person flips as either alignment, doesn't clear or put people who actively pushed that person under suspicion. I just played a video mafia game where a VT pushed a ML on Day 1 and I caught two of the three mafia by looking at how they supported the person who was the most active pusher.
Nydus should be a way better player and recognise to that Epishade's contribution today does in fact NOT put him as "top town" for his "objectiveness".
This takes me to a second possible mafia, Epishade.
I don't know if I left out anybody in here, as Teemursu's filter is 9 pages...and there is a whole lot to read not just in his filter, but everywhere. Goddammit, this is a mini-mafia, why are there already 60+ pages by day 2?
I think I'm leaning more toward Teemursu or meatpudding right now, but idk exactly. meatpudding hasn't posted more than once after Token was shot, so I don't know what his current thoughts are right now. I'd rather make a vote when he posts I think.
Firstly, he wants to vote between two people who have gone the hardest against each other (ignoring MM1 vs. Tolkien and Cats).
He says he doesn't have a clear preference, then he says he wants to vote on me.
He seems to understand I post a lot, he doesn't refer to anything specific that I've posted about.
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On June 25 2014 19:57 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 19:21 Hobbitus wrote:
Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/ I hope that anyone who find teemu suspicious would actually read teemu's n1 'spam'. I'm willing to bet that most of you did not read it yet, thus the suspicions. He replied to most suspicions about him and yet posted some crucial questions that I would like to see answered, such as questions for you, hobbitus, on the 4 options that MM was.
No I read it, but I don't remember anything standing out. And I'm not interested in what teemu is saying to defend himself, is there anything he has done that hasn't been answered to everyone's satisfaction?
Did I miss something I should have answered?
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So far I'm happy to keep my vote on the main wagon, but I will seriously consider voting on either Nydus or Epishade today as well.
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On June 23 2014 20:01 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 11:31 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote:
MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible. I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me. Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are: 1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes 2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage 3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes 4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched It is starting to look like 2. being the case. What is your thought on it now that the clusterfudge is over? by Epishade: + Show Spoiler +"Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch.
Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you." In hindsight, this sounds a little weird to me. There is a reads post by MM1, that I want to bring up right here. MM1 says Tolkien wants to lynch lurkers. MM1 posts reads and people are still going at him HARD for some minor inconsistency in who he wanted to push? Seeing the votes EOD, I suspect there was at least 2 scum in MM1's bandwagon.
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On June 25 2014 20:02 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 19:57 HaruRH wrote:On June 25 2014 19:21 Hobbitus wrote:
Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/ I hope that anyone who find teemu suspicious would actually read teemu's n1 'spam'. I'm willing to bet that most of you did not read it yet, thus the suspicions. He replied to most suspicions about him and yet posted some crucial questions that I would like to see answered, such as questions for you, hobbitus, on the 4 options that MM was. Nevermind I think you're town
Please explain.
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On June 25 2014 13:06 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Just read through.
Welcome Banks and Mtamburini.
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
Epishade
Cats
Jabberwockzerg
Templar
Nydus
Haru
Teemu
##Vote: Teemursu
Haruhi and Cats have been moving up on my town list since last night.
Teemu still on my scum read. Although I have to consider, would he be pushing me so hard if he was scum?
Nydus post on me, could be town, or could be scummy so he can stay safe when I flip.
I'm so paranoid now that I want to die just so the game moves forward.
Meatpudding, explain ALL your reads properly. I am starting to think that you're throwing in names randomly. You townread templar, and yet you put him in fence. ???
So did you move me up from townlean to fence???
How are you reading jabber as fence???
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Teemu, it's starting to feel like you're copying me.
On June 25 2014 07:08 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:04 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably  I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts. Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about? Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything. What do you think of KotC after the flips? Feels like you're buddying a village as a wolf teemu.
and this (about mp)
For me the scummiest thing about him is that he's not BUILDING his case at all, he's basically coasting through the game. It seems like he's just dragging out the conversation about him by barely posting anything at all. That's time that could be much better spent looking for other scum that are less in the spotlight. I think favorably about kotc telling him to forget about teemu and say something, anything else. I'd say mp would be a decent lynch so I will vote him for now ##Vote: meatpudding. I will be VERY apt to change this if he says anything significant about anyone else. I will suggest that town focuses on other people until he responds.
I actually rescind about making a case on MeatPudding. I feel like I've gone against him the strongest, and I've had multiple posts where I've discussed with him/haven't voted on him.
If people aren't convinced by my push on him, then I'm going to divert my attention to someone else. We obviously haven't hit on mafia yet and there still are others alive who town would rather lynch.
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I'm being frustrated with my case on MeatPudding and I want to be more productive for town.
I don't care that you think I'm copying you, when I'm trying to play better.
How about you talk with me about my post on Epishade/Nydus instead of focusing on your suspicion of me trying to "pocket" you and ACTUALLY catch scum? 
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Going through your filter quickly, I see that you have Epishade as towny.
Could you explain your read on him?
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On June 25 2014 19:57 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 19:21 Hobbitus wrote:
Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/ I hope that anyone who find teemu suspicious would actually read teemu's n1 'spam'. I'm willing to bet that most of you did not read it yet, thus the suspicions. He replied to most suspicions about him and yet posted some crucial questions that I would like to see answered, such as questions for you, hobbitus, on the 4 options that MM was.
I read this like I see light at the end of the tunnel.
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I'm off for a few hours.
When I come back, I expect a real case on myself from Epishade and/or Hobbitus, so we can finally talk about the content and reads I've worked with.
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On June 25 2014 20:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 20:01 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 11:31 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote:
MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible. I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me. Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are: 1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes 2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage 3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes 4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched It is starting to look like 2. being the case. What is your thought on it now that the clusterfudge is over? by Epishade: + Show Spoiler +"Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch.
Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you." In hindsight, this sounds a little weird to me. There is a reads post by MM1, that I want to bring up right here. MM1 says Tolkien wants to lynch lurkers. MM1 posts reads and people are still going at him HARD for some minor inconsistency in who he wanted to push? Seeing the votes EOD, I suspect there was at least 2 scum in MM1's bandwagon.
Well at that point I thought that Tolkien was setting MM up. In terms of trying to figure out who in his wagon was actually manipulating the votes, it's convoluted. Nydus was the vote that switched mp over to MM? But in hindsight I think Epi's involvement in that lynch is a little bit scummy. He never really says whether or not he thinks mp is town or scum, but then votes him, saying he's "not opposed" to it. Then he says he had a townread on MM, says he might be a "misguided townie" and then votes him. To me it doesn't sound like he cared about the alignment of who he was voting. After that he says he's voting for MM bc he disagrees with his reads and then a few posts later:
I was scum/nullread the entire game, which is why I made it to final 3, too. I was wrong for a lot of the game, which doesn't mean jack because reading people is shit hard. You can only really piece together things coherently after you lynch a scum and can read through their filter, as reading through dead town filters does nothing.
I may be wrong here now, and there's a good chance too, considering that there are, what, 3-5 scum out of 15 players? But you've not convinced me to place my vote elsewhere with your latest replies. Sorry, don't hate me
where, he, again, says there is a good chance MM is town.
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On June 25 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:I'm being frustrated with my case on MeatPudding and I want to be more productive for town. I don't care that you think I'm copying you, when I'm trying to play better. How about you talk with me about my post on Epishade/Nydus instead of focusing on your suspicion of me trying to "pocket" you and ACTUALLY catch scum?
I think it's reasonable for me to talk about you pocketing me if it might be true? I'm out for either a few hours or the rest of the day (hopefully not), can post on Epi/Nydus when I get back.
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On June 25 2014 20:18 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 13:06 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Just read through.
Welcome Banks and Mtamburini.
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
Epishade
Cats
Jabberwockzerg
Templar
Nydus
Haru
Teemu
##Vote: Teemursu
Haruhi and Cats have been moving up on my town list since last night.
Teemu still on my scum read. Although I have to consider, would he be pushing me so hard if he was scum?
Nydus post on me, could be town, or could be scummy so he can stay safe when I flip.
I'm so paranoid now that I want to die just so the game moves forward. Meatpudding, explain ALL your reads properly. I am starting to think that you're throwing in names randomly. You townread templar, and yet you put him in fence. ??? So did you move me up from townlean to fence??? How are you reading jabber as fence???
jabber not posting much. not sure about that. could be scum or could be lurking blue. nothing particularly scummy except lack of content.
Templar I've been leaning scum to leaning town. I am probably most fenced with Templar right now.
Bear I had as town, but re-reding his filter I feel he was under the radar quite a bit in D1. Then he picks up a lot and I expect him (and us all) to keep up the pressure throughout the day.
Hobbit to me has been reading town, consistent, good reads. Maybe seemed too cautious until now.
I was actually reading Nydus as town for most of the game. Now, this isn't the scummiest thing, but at the time it put me back on the fence here. When he made his town read on me I thought he might be trying to distance himself from a wagon. (I received the first vote today so it's hard to not talk about others reads on me). I made the note about paranoia because I don't want to say that it's suspicious for anyone to read me as scum or even town. I'm not confident at all that ANYONE is not scum. I was leaning town but now I'm on the fence.
Haru if you were roleblocked by mafia then you are top town obv. But if you were blocked by blue town it's a different story.
Cats was initially a scum read for me as well. His line of questioning seems to be moving forward. I will be interested in his reads later in the day.
Epi's not being too committed to any reads I feel. But his posts try to draw out a very clear picture.
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On June 25 2014 22:11 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 20:18 HaruRH wrote:On June 25 2014 13:06 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Just read through.
Welcome Banks and Mtamburini.
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
Epishade
Cats
Jabberwockzerg
Templar
Nydus
Haru
Teemu
##Vote: Teemursu
Haruhi and Cats have been moving up on my town list since last night.
Teemu still on my scum read. Although I have to consider, would he be pushing me so hard if he was scum?
Nydus post on me, could be town, or could be scummy so he can stay safe when I flip.
I'm so paranoid now that I want to die just so the game moves forward. Meatpudding, explain ALL your reads properly. I am starting to think that you're throwing in names randomly. You townread templar, and yet you put him in fence. ??? So did you move me up from townlean to fence??? How are you reading jabber as fence??? jabber not posting much. not sure about that. could be scum or could be lurking blue. nothing particularly scummy except lack of content. Templar I've been leaning scum to leaning town. I am probably most fenced with Templar right now. Bear I had as town, but re-reding his filter I feel he was under the radar quite a bit in D1. Then he picks up a lot and I expect him (and us all) to keep up the pressure throughout the day. Hobbit to me has been reading town, consistent, good reads. Maybe seemed too cautious until now. I was actually reading Nydus as town for most of the game. Now, this isn't the scummiest thing, but at the time it put me back on the fence here. When he made his town read on me I thought he might be trying to distance himself from a wagon. (I received the first vote today so it's hard to not talk about others reads on me). I made the note about paranoia because I don't want to say that it's suspicious for anyone to read me as scum or even town. I'm not confident at all that ANYONE is not scum. I was leaning town but now I'm on the fence. Haru if you were roleblocked by mafia then you are top town obv. But if you were blocked by blue town it's a different story.Cats was initially a scum read for me as well. His line of questioning seems to be moving forward. I will be interested in his reads later in the day. Epi's not being too committed to any reads I feel. But his posts try to draw out a very clear picture.
You do know that the most possible reason for me being roleblocked was because of glowingbear's call out on me for blue, right? Do you think town would have done that? (I hope not lol)
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Do we know anything about how many shots the Security Guard (vig) can take?
Also, does 'devoid of salt' imply that Tolkien was not shot by the phaser? I know there's no clues but the wording was specific here.
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On June 25 2014 22:15 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 22:11 meatpudding wrote:On June 25 2014 20:18 HaruRH wrote:On June 25 2014 13:06 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Just read through.
Welcome Banks and Mtamburini.
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
Epishade
Cats
Jabberwockzerg
Templar
Nydus
Haru
Teemu
##Vote: Teemursu
Haruhi and Cats have been moving up on my town list since last night.
Teemu still on my scum read. Although I have to consider, would he be pushing me so hard if he was scum?
Nydus post on me, could be town, or could be scummy so he can stay safe when I flip.
I'm so paranoid now that I want to die just so the game moves forward. Meatpudding, explain ALL your reads properly. I am starting to think that you're throwing in names randomly. You townread templar, and yet you put him in fence. ??? So did you move me up from townlean to fence??? How are you reading jabber as fence??? jabber not posting much. not sure about that. could be scum or could be lurking blue. nothing particularly scummy except lack of content. Templar I've been leaning scum to leaning town. I am probably most fenced with Templar right now. Bear I had as town, but re-reding his filter I feel he was under the radar quite a bit in D1. Then he picks up a lot and I expect him (and us all) to keep up the pressure throughout the day. Hobbit to me has been reading town, consistent, good reads. Maybe seemed too cautious until now. I was actually reading Nydus as town for most of the game. Now, this isn't the scummiest thing, but at the time it put me back on the fence here. When he made his town read on me I thought he might be trying to distance himself from a wagon. (I received the first vote today so it's hard to not talk about others reads on me). I made the note about paranoia because I don't want to say that it's suspicious for anyone to read me as scum or even town. I'm not confident at all that ANYONE is not scum. I was leaning town but now I'm on the fence. Haru if you were roleblocked by mafia then you are top town obv. But if you were blocked by blue town it's a different story.Cats was initially a scum read for me as well. His line of questioning seems to be moving forward. I will be interested in his reads later in the day. Epi's not being too committed to any reads I feel. But his posts try to draw out a very clear picture. You do know that the most possible reason for me being roleblocked was because of glowingbear's call out on me for blue, right? Do you think town would have done that? (I hope not lol)
Yes. And I suppose if Bear came to that conclusion, mafia could have sensed it as well, even if they didn't say so. I think the reason I suspected you in the first place is maybe the way you play as blue? You seemed to be lurking a bit. Anyway I said I'm on the fence but I'm really just deciding to take your role call at face value.
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