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Question for you. Do you think it's weird that were the only ones participating in night talk?
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On June 27 2014 01:13 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 01:11 mtamburini wrote:
Question for you. Do you think it's weird that were the only ones participating in night talk? Yeah that's sort of weird. I didn't have anything to say except what I said when I woke up :\
Well what do you think of our 12 hour argument
Are we both town or am I just town and he's mafia.
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So describe how your play to condescend me and my thoughts on the game make you town.
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Why do you feel the need to quote the same thing twice?
I've dropped it and asked a couple people questions in the night phase yet you still tunnel on me. I'm trying to picture a world where your town but all you've done thus far was insult my reads do nothing to change my vote to someone else and when he flipped town to make sure everyone knew how much of a donkey I was and should be lynched for it.
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On June 27 2014 03:03 Teemursu wrote:
I can read Nydus really well and I was pretty sure he just made up his town read on Epishade (regardless of alignment). That's why I was reading him scummy. I just wasn't sure if he made that because he didn't have the energy/time to put into the game or if that was because he was mafia. That's why I wanted to rather vote on Epishade.
Just coming home from work teemu? Have you read the conversation of the night phase?
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I was 100% serious on lynching them both esp if nydus flipped scum. I really can't help the fact that you were jealous that I was being so much more town in two hours than you were the whole game prob.
Haters gonna hate
And you only proved my point more that you knew nydus was going to flip town and pushing and throwing as much scum on me as possible to get me lynched.
Your approach has been hey everyone look at me how right I was and how wrong he was let's get him!
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On June 27 2014 03:20 HaruRH wrote:you sure I did nothing to stop you from lynching nydus? Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:44 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:32 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:22 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote:
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Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town. Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then? I think it's likely Tolkien was shot because he was more on the fence. If the vig had a scum read on both you and him, they realized it would be easier to get you lynched D2 than him. Do you think vig shot Tolkien? Or are you saying this as an If? If. I didn't realize there were only 1 or 2 shots, it seems really early to use that. Someone who's more experienced, is there any benefit to a vig shooting that early? His reads would be more unreliable but it would do a lot less damage if he's wrong at the beginning of the game than the end? Does anyone besides Haru think the vigi shot Tolkien? This was part of his basis to vote Epi. Now he's switched to mtaburini but not sure how serious he is. @Haru, what are your thoughts on Nydus? Most of the votes on him are pressure votes. I don't think anyone on him now have a real case against him. Likewise, he is a slight scumread now since he isn't defendinh himself. Dood I'm srs heere mtam is mafia cos he is mafia. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:16 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:14 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 26 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote:
I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it.##Unvote
##Vote: mtamburini 1 Youd be ML me 2 How do you know they are both town? 3 What town in their right minds edits their post, Mafia edits their slips. Both need to die. They haven't played forum before. Do they not know how to read OP/Rules? Host already warned them. They already know their mistake. This is a newbie game for fk sake Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:02 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 11:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
Teemu I think is town tamburini is making me uneasy about this vote
Are your only mafia those who edited posts? Yes, I feel that mtam is wayyyy too aggressive on something that doesn't even concern him. Bugs me out. I want to lynch mtam instead now. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote:
I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it. ##Unvote
##Vote: mtamburini So can I lynch you for lying now
So you voting for me is supposed to make me not vote for nydus? Your best defence of him was these seen like pressure votes but he's not responding. Then you said mod warned him ong it's a newbie game. So where exactly did you tell me how he was acting town and not acting scummy?
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Teemu why do u town read haru. Can you explain and maybe quote things he's said or done? I'm not getting the town vibe it's like when your younger sibling asks you a question when you ask a question or when you say something they always say why just to piss you off. He's not allowing me to even try and town read him.
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It was never a troll vote I've made it clear. He did not respond to me at all after my accusations of him being scum for editing and never gave a read while he was at his computer playing another game. He did nothing to defend him self to my pressure and attacks.
You say you defended him and quoted some bs stuff which doesn't prove you defended him.
Defending someone goes along the lines of
I think x is town because
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On June 27 2014 03:57 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 20:26 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 20:03 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 13:57 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote:
My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy On June 26 2014 11:16 GlowingBear wrote:I'm on a mobile so it will be hard to quote two posts. But I was voting on meatpudding because of his, IMO, weak reasoning when he voted on Haru and not on Kotc, whom I held as scum. It was like meatpudding was trying to protect his scum partner. That was my read at the moment. After, the reason I've revealed in this post of mine: On June 24 2014 01:27 GlowingBear wrote:Teemu On meatpudding: " IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien?" This is odd. And then, this was his answer to Teemu "I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call." Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. If you have a misread on Tolkien, in example, it would be a good opportunity to Mafia to bandwagon him, saving meatpudding and Kotc (in case Kotc is mafia). That is the information he would pursue with that question, if meatpudding is scum. If he is town and is just gathering information... well... I don't think he would ask in such way... it would be something like "could you give me your reads on Tolkien and Cats?" I know this is not the strongest read, but this theory gets stronger with meatpudding's next post, putting Tolkien as scum and Cats as on the fence: On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:
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Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town Alright, now on Kotc: On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:
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Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming  But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. I don't know what to think of this. He is right if meatpudding flips green. But if meatpudding flips red... I think Kotc is the next to me lynched. And if only Kotc is red and knows meatpudding will flip green, this is his chance to blend in town. Difficult do analyze. Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL @meatpudding I need to filter dive him, but I'm still on the fence. But as I said, as it is getting really confused. Somehow I believe we are in a Town VS Town perspective and Mafia is just sitting, lurking, watching us killing ourselves. I also beige that that is why Tolkien died, he was going after the non-contributors. I'm going to do that now, so If Nidus does not start contributing more, he will be my next target. On June 26 2014 12:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 26 2014 12:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 12:45 Teemursu wrote:
I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk. I don't know who else I'd vote for, I haven't kept up very well and I'm off in 13ish minutes.  I'm only sticking around just in case something spectacular happens, like mtam posts more dancing ladies I think Epishade, Nydus or MeatPudding are great votes. I'm not sure if mafia votes were required at all in that result. This may clear Epi and confirm him as town. I don't read too much into KotC's push on Nydus because Nydus was defending himself poorly. Explain how epi is clear and what you think of me. Let's start with the most obvious statement. Mafia votes were distributed between Nydus, Epi and Jabber. Nydus and Epishade were the two main wagons. Voting for Jabber is basically vote hiding because he left the thread and didn't give any defence for himself. Because it took only 3 votes, it could have gone either way. Mafia made no attempt to push on Nydus or save Epi. Either lynch would have been fine, therefore Epi is town. The WIFOM of that, is that mafia waited last minute to make sure Epi had votes, but not enough for a lynch (unlikely). I think you haven't made any meaningful contribution so far. The only thing that's slightly scummy is that you arrived into the tread so close to EOD. I don't think we could have avoided a mislynch D2 so we'll just have to accept what happened and evaluate over again. Also, as usual, meatpudding's reads are largely weird. Why would mafia save nydus or push epi? Why can't the opposite be true? His conclusion on why epi is town doesn't confirm anything. In fact, you can say that scum could have helped epi be off the hook by lynching nydus instead. WIFOM is WIFOM.
Are we actually in agreement that the meatpud post was bs?
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On June 27 2014 04:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 04:06 mtamburini wrote:
It was never a troll vote I've made it clear. He did not respond to me at all after my accusations of him being scum for editing and never gave a read while he was at his computer playing another game. He did nothing to defend him self to my pressure and attacks.
You say you defended him and quoted some bs stuff which doesn't prove you defended him.
Defending someone goes along the lines of
I think x is town because
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Your need to keep a useless discussion with Haru is getting me another read on you.
Internet at work cutout so it was a delayed post. Phone internet < computer internet
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On June 27 2014 04:10 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 04:06 mtamburini wrote:
It was never a troll vote I've made it clear. He did not respond to me at all after my accusations of him being scum for editing and never gave a read while he was at his computer playing another game. He did nothing to defend him self to my pressure and attacks.
You say you defended him and quoted some bs stuff which doesn't prove you defended him.
Defending someone goes along the lines of
I think x is town because
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anyway, your reasons only make jabber way more scummy than nydus. Jabber did not even vote.
Some people were mentioning he was getting mod killed so I didn't care. Something to look into though are the people who voted on him. Does anyone know what pages the final vc is on?
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So temp and glowing bear. Why did you both change your votes to jabber?
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Do you think there was a better chance of jabber getting lynched over your original target meatpudd?
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On June 27 2014 05:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
SCUMMY NON-CONTRIBUTORY POST MADE ONLY TO AVOID MODKILL
Now give me reads to sheep
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On June 27 2014 05:49 mtamburini wrote:
Do you think there was a better chance of jabber getting lynched over your original target meatpudd?
This was meant for you glowing btw
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On June 27 2014 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 05:49 mtamburini wrote:
Do you think there was a better chance of jabber getting lynched over your original target meatpudd? Yes. You can see that Nydus was lynched with 3 votes. Jabb got 2. I think the the only reason why jabb wasn't killed was because of this feeling that he would be modkilled anyway, so nobody would change their votes. As my second target would be Nydus, it was ok to me. But I thought on the possibility that he could come and vote on the last moment. He wasn't modkilled after all...
Sorry if I missed it in earlier post but I know you said you switched because he was lurking but do you think meat was still scum at that time or did he become town. And what's your current read on meat now
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On June 27 2014 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 06:03 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 05:49 mtamburini wrote:
Do you think there was a better chance of jabber getting lynched over your original target meatpudd? Yes. You can see that Nydus was lynched with 3 votes. Jabb got 2. I think the the only reason why jabb wasn't killed was because of this feeling that he would be modkilled anyway, so nobody would change their votes. As my second target would be Nydus, it was ok to me. But I thought on the possibility that he could come and vote on the last moment. He wasn't modkilled after all... Sorry if I missed it in earlier post but I know you said you switched because he was lurking but do you think meat was still scum at that time or did he become town. And what's your current read on meat now I still believe he is scum because of his contradictions and his passivity (? Is this a word?), but at the moment I considered he could be just a bad town and that we were in a Town VS Town scenario in which mafia was comfortably sitting and watching us killing ourselves. I thought that way after realising our scumreads on Tolkien and MysteryMeat1 were based mostly on contradictions and that they flipped green
So looking back at the voting records of day 2 there were four votes on meat then someone unvoted and then you unvoted when there were 3 left to go onto someone who has the potential to be mod killed. His role is going to get revealed when he is modkilled so why not vote elsewhere you think scum is?
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On June 27 2014 06:10 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 14:07 Hobbitus wrote:
But if nobody had a good case against him why was he lynched? I'm going to be taking full responsibility for the lynch. I had an initial read on nydus because as far as I knew he was excited to play this game and he didn't seemed enthusiastic in his postings. He also did that weird thing with his progression on Epishade where he went to like LOCK clear for no reason which felt like a mafia messing up his thought process plus his low posting. I think I had good reasons to think he was scummy but I should have been here for EoD I was around then had to take care of some IRL stuff and before that was playing video mafia I will be fully catching up today at work as I still haven't. I will be much more active on the next EoD as they are important and I blew it off So town blame me had I seen a vote of 3 2 2 knowing I was a town on the wagon I move off it always because that is like never a mafia lynch its mafia not caring. :/ Sorry. Now off to reading. Someone might have already but if it so happens that someone hasn't done a voting analysis of EoD with speculations from day 1 included I will once caught up but before then would be awesome. I think anyone that was on the nydus wagon is a good check. I do think if there was scum it would be tamburini.
I'm pretty sure teemu is town now he pulled off his vote on nydus towards eod and is think if he was scum he would've just left it there. Instead he tried to push a lynch on someone else. That's what I got this far just at my doc office when I get home I'll look at day 1 as well
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Tehpoofter are you evaluating my play based on this game, previous tl games together, or video mafia ?
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